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Conversing with Sam/ From Autism Rocks and Rolls/ A Podcast For Us


Special thanks to Wellspring Pain Solutions in Bloomington, Indiana for supporting my guest's show, Autism Rocks and Rolls. This episode of Emo Dojo features the host of Autism Rocks and Rolls, Sam and his production partner (and mom) Gina. Please share with your social networks. Visit for more info about Sam. Email for any other stuff. 

Welcome back to the mighty emoo Joe. I'll be johnny motions. You be you. Let's go. So today'sepisode features Sam from autism rocks and rolls podcast and his mom production teammate,Gina. I met them on Pottits facebook group and you know well, typicallyI don't like having guests because it's just a lot of work. It's alot of work tracking them down and I don't have a team of people toorganize that and people are generally flakey and most people who want to be aguest are not the people I want to have as guests and I don't likechasing guests otherwise, like I want guess that I'm interested in. You mightrecall the transcranial direct current stimulation device I use. Well, I've I gotthat because I was watching the TV show and I saw a guy on theTV show that made it and I said I'm going to call him, becauseI don't don't really pay attention to boundaries like I should. So when Isee a guest and no matter how appropriate or inappropriate, I'm like yeah,I want that guests, and then when I can't get the guests, I'mlike, yeah, fuck it, I don't want any guests. So withSam, he's had a cool podcast autism rocks and rolls, and what's especiallycool about his podcast is that he has helped, he's got his mom andthey also have sponsors like wellspring pain management. That's freaking cool. So they're notmy sponsor, but I'll plug them just because there's a business out therethat's putting their money straight back into the community by way of supporting a podcastand I think that's freaking great. So yeah, I was one of theseguys like the brains apperthing. That's one guy I wanted as a podcast guest, and I think Mr Ken may still come on the show. He hasn'tsaid No. I just haven't had time to sync up with him as I'dlike to. We email back and forth a couple of times. But theother guy. So there's a commercial for Pepto Bismo Bismol, whatever it's called, the pink stuff for upset stomach, and there's a dude on that commercialthat I want to interview. In the commercial there's a song, a littlecommercial jingle, and it goes a little something like this. When you haveNausa hardre in the gestures, it's the tire right. I want to talkto the diarrhea guy. This guy tired. So, like I tracked him downand I want I sent email to his publicists, like I want tointerview your guy for my podcast, but of course I don't hear back frompeople like that. Why not? Like what, Dude, I want toask him. So it turns out that guy, the diarrhea guy, isa pretty well known Canadian actor in Canada and you know, stage and screenand that sort of thing, but he gets famous for the Fucking Dia.I love it and I want to interfeme about that. Like how is itwhen you get famous for a thing that you dislike most? That of allthe things you do in your career, what's it like being notorious or famouswhatever for the thing you lie liked the least? Like Alec Guinness, SirAlec Ginness from the Star Wars. Apparently he hated being known as Obi WanKenobi. Well, he could have been known as the diarrhea guys anyway.That's why I don't chase guest I have a hard time finding people I actuallywant to talk to, so return my emails. However, in the caseof Sam from autism rocks and rolls.

His mom helps him. She actuallyreplied to an email that I sent her because she was posting some things thatsounded interesting in a facebook group. So see, that's as easy as itis. So let's just jump into it. There is no structure here. It'sjust US having a casual conversation. There was no agenda and I justlike his company and I love that the the fact that Gina showed up tosupport him when he stepped away from the mic made things flow really smoothly andkind of gave a cool representation of what it's like to both produce podcast andbeyond the spectrum. So I hope you enjoy and I'll see you in afew days, or you'll hear from me in a few days. Yeah,help. So we have a well spring pain solutions in Bloomington, Indiana.There are big, big supporter and they are just a hundred percent on boardwith autism. Rocks and rolls. They changed the the outfits that they wearand all of their doctors offices to SAM's t shirt. They have created pins, they have it. What did they do? Are they a paint companyand, if so, what's it have to do with doctors? It's apain pain o pay like pain medicine, that POW medicine. But okay,I guess. Yeah, like got a batch all he'll give a nerve massageor something that. They are a big company in Indiana. Gotch like atherapy place where you go to get therapy, physical their and massage and that sortof stuff. Yeah, they have just really have to. You know, they're believing and say M and with what he's doing in his mission andthis day, are just wonderful, wonderful people. How did you come tomeet those folks that? Did somebody reach out to you guys, or doyou reach out to the local community? How that goes this one? Imean I have reached out to some of the sponsors, because we have athree big sponsors right now and then we have some small ones, and twoout of the three sponsors I did reach out to, just from knowing somepeople that this first big sponsor, our main sponsor, did approached us.So that happened. But we also want to thank commercial service in Bloomington,Indiana for donating a rather great something, not a huge amount, but somemoney for Sam to buy some APPS. That one nice star his podcast APPsYep, software. Yeah, UH, as it adds from it's sorry,Nope, APPs. And then we also want to think, what does commercialservices do? That's kind of a vague name. Yeah, deserve more propsthan their name can convey by its absolutely. They've been in business for over,I think, I think like fifty years. It's a family on company, but they are heating and air conditioning place. Oh great, that one. That's a high demand right now. For sure. Absolutely. And thenwe have a perfection auto glass that also has several several locations in fishers.Want to say month see Bloomington, Indiana, and they have really jumped on boardand are helping Sam. And then we have do you good? What'sthe what do you think the key is to that? Like, Dude,you think they're employees or the owners or whatnot? Have a kids on thespectrum or how do you think your message resonated so well with them? Well, I think it's a combination, a kind of dealing with the sponsors and, like, you know, figuring out marketing and things like that. Idon't I'm not trained in marketing. Your training, yea working I'm an educator. Yeah, over the last two or three years I'd like really educated myself. I mean I've built several websites for Salem and just really taught myself todo it. But as far as like, I think, I think there's alot of things, but the ones, the couple things that come to mymind is one, Sam has a powerful mission and I think that whenthat mission is put out there and and...

...people see like how serious he is, he is about this and how serious I am about it as his mother, I think that mission is so extremely powerful. When a company here seesa he's a young man that has had definite struggles throughout his life because he'son the autism spectrum, I think. So I was like, you canstand a hundred percent. You might be able to, because you're saying Iexpect you know that naptism is is probably the most fascinating. I just callit a condition. It's just a state, because some people benefit when they sayI have a disability, and then they're able to get relief through governmentsubsidies and things like that. So I'm like great. However, you canfind relief if you want to call it a disability. Cool if you like. I consider it more of an asset, almost a secret weapon because I don'ttell many people. Like I use a fake name for the TV forthis show, and you know all these things. So, but in myreal life I keep it on the downlow. But when I know I need topull from that reserve, from the focus, from the creativity, sometimesI have to call in sick, I got food poisoning. But what I'mreally doing, I'm at home just being me, figuring out like how torule the world and my little grand plans. So, but I think you guysprobably present really a winning team too. It's nice to back winners, peoplethat are actually doing it. Yeah, that's what I was going to sayis this message is coming out very powerfully and and then, I thinkonce people think, oh my gosh, you know, you have this kidwho's really passion about this, and then they find out how many followers he'shad, he has, and then they find out the big names that's beenon a show, and then they find out the demographics and they find outhow many they find out all this information and then I think they think,how can our company benefit from this? And I really do think that's that'sthat's the kind of like the motive. But I think what gets them pulledin and gets them interested. Is just the power of of what he's doing, the power of Sam. Absolutely, absolutely, really what I think.And it does boil down to sometimes will really all the time, who youknow and who you can talk to if you have an idea. YEA,and that's that's been a lot of the things as I think, I wonder, this person knows this person and if I say this to them, yeah, it's risky. Right, you have to open up and tell people thingsyou don't necessarily want to like reveal to get to the next step towards thething you want to achieve, and you can get challenging. So I appreciated, though I don't care, honestly, with how it turns out. Iam really to like it be able to that's a that's and I'm curious andI don't want to. I don't want to be disrespectful in any way.I mean, I'm Sam and I are the least disrespectful people you'll ever meetin your life. Debatable, it was he's having a teenage moment or herbeing blunt, but then, but my question to you is, do youfeel like we live in a world and in a society where there are timesand situations where you have to conceal the fact that you have autism, ordo you feel comfortable just kind of letting everybody know that and embracing that,or, like, what's your I'm just curious what's you're feeling on that.I feel it's highly important that people know others with any kind of conditions.Let let the mass market know that we exist and we're effectively normal. Rightaside from our label, we're normal. I think that that's so critical.Conversely, though, I've feel that personally, I've been divorced and fired a numberof times once my conditions have been revealed, and I think that thosehave been used as the quote unquote reasons for those problems in my life.So yeah, I definitely feel maybe it...

...just my age on like fifty somegeneration x, and back in the day our parents took us to the doctorand if they said, Oh, I think he's got autism, well thatmeant I think your kids retarded, and I'm like what? So my momand dad, nobody like followed up on that because they were like, Whoa, he's in the gifted program at school, so he's definitely not that. Sothey didn't have a way to deal with it, so they just putit aside. So, yeah, I deal with a lot of stigma ingeneral, which is why, like, I perform under johnny motions instead ofmy actual name, things like that. Yeah, yeah, and I wesee it like we see that, that stigma, I mean. But butI think each generation, like it's Sam's a different generation, right, he'sthe next after us. Absolutely, and in it makes a world of adifference. Yeah, I feel like that's where his that's where his mission is. Yeah, to help people understand. Look, they have autism. Ithere. There has been times, and not a not a lot, butthere have been times when people have talked to me about saying, and Idon't even remember it, like the foundation of the conversation was, but itwas almost like, Oh, Sam has autism, I'm really sorry, likeI'm sorry, right, and my come on. Yeah, and my responsea lot of times has been, well, wait a minute, he has autism. What do you have? Are you perfect? Oh, this isthe that's a whole nother podcast. Right there, people always looking, especiallyfor those of us who have been diagnosed with something or treated or are workingour problems out right. If we share those with other people who never goto a therapist or any doctors. They tend to use that against us,like Oh, well, they're sick, they're they're broken. I'm like no, no, I'm just acknowledging my existence, like I'm acknowledging my problems instead ofhiding them. Yeah, but I don't even know, like as farlike you said the word normal, that's not a word at our house.I don't believe in that. I don't believe. No, honestly, Ithink we are normal. I mean you know what I mean, like wefit into normal. Now there's no normal body. Yeah, why, that'swhere anything like. So I think everything is so very it's not heroic,it's normal. Yeah, it's yeah, Oh, yeah, go ahead,go ahead, now that the thing you're just talking about too. That'll thatbrings me to a thing I think about a lot is the depiction of neurotypicalsin the media. Are there any programs that you see autism represented well,or any that make you cringe especially hard? I don't really. There was ayoung man, and I of course would not say his name because he'spretty well known. He runs, you know, some autism awareness things andhe himself is on the spectrum. So I would never tell him no,you can't think like that, like I would never ever do that. ButI just he's very, very offended by the autism puzzle piece and he was, I going to do some work with this and decided not to because becauseof the puzzle piece. The puzzle piece interesting. You know, I'm notwilling this. That would be completely up to say. I'm whether he wantedto change that and he and I had a conversation with Sam and I saidI this is my opinion, but my opinion is everybody to their own.If the puzzle piece offends him because of, you know, past history with thepuzzle piece, that's fine. But I can look at that puzzle pieceand a different way. I feel like with that puzzle piece, the floatingit's it's a puzzle pieces and everybody's brain and those puzzle pieces put to areput together to make you, and so I'm not offended by the puzzle pieceand I just I don't take much offense to anything because everybody views things differentlyand that's okay. That's yeah, it is interesting, especially doing like apodcast for the mental health field, for...

...example. It's really hard to getguessed, because some of them are actually sick that time, that moment went. I need them on the on the microphone. They're have an episode.That's hard enough to do, to deal with. And so there's so thiscould goes so deep with the threads and my mind is starting to get boggled. I have like I'm almost to the point where I'm going to start wearingblindfold over my eyes when I do this. No, I know, I justit's just such a you know, with Sam's podcast, a lot ofpeople are like, well, why do you do this? Like you said, what is your mission? It's that. It's that is to take that stigmaoff of when people look at Sam. Yes, he has autism. It'sbrain wiring. When he was in my womb, that is how hisbrain wired, just like when I was in my mother's room womb. That'snot her room, her womb. This is how my brain wire and that'sit. That's all it is. I feel like, let's just say theyhave autism, just like I have a math disability. Yeah, you don'tdo a math at all, so I guess what. Oh, Hey,that that brings it up. Before I forget this. Do you prefer termslike I have autism, to I am Autistic, is there? Do havea do you discern between the two? Yeah, and now what I dolike, though, and I find myself doing this too, but for Ialways think, I like, I'm not offended by it if someone says anautistic person. I mean I'm not, it just happens. But I preferfor people to say, or I say, a person with autism, because therea person first. Yeah, puzzle piece. Yeah, it's funny becausepeople bring it up often, because I like when I'm on social media,I'm kind of me and I don't have a filter, especially when I cantalk from behind my little icon, my little logo, and people give mestatics sometimes about saying don't say they are autistics, say they have autism,and I'm like that's cool, I'll go with that. And then I startedextending that to other things. I'm like, oh, he's not fat, hehas fat. So I'm like that's cool, I'm all work with that. So it's factual right. But Anyway, I get back to the puzzle piece. So you're aware of the band Iron Maiden Sam. Yeah, butI don't check them out that much. I'll be okay. They their iconic, mostly fur their obviously their music, but their arts work. So Iran into the artist who has done all of their they have a character namedEddie, is a mascot, is like a decaying corpse face that everyone lovesand he's been on their albums since the very first album and is drawn bya guy named Derek Riggs. So I was at a comic con and itran into Derek Riggs and he had this most amazing shirt. I'm like wheredid what is what's that all about? He said I drew this shirt foran autism fundraiser and I'm like, I gotta have it. So his shirtwas it was Badass, Dude. It was this Rotting Corpse Eddie skull,you know, mascot where at the top of his head is sliced off,like alluding to a previous album cover, but his brain was puzzle pieces floatingout of his brain turning into butterflies. That's kind's cool because there's both creepyand hard rock and a perfect attribution to that. So creepy but so thesame time. I'll try to find a picture of it's not it's not widelyreleased and I'm trying to get ahold of the guys, so I can getmaybe a print of it, but I do have the teaser. I'm like, well, that's I think it's a creepy but cool at the same time, and I think that creepy cool. Creepy right, exactly, creepy cool. I love creepy cool. Being an English teacher, though, like Ican think of so much symbolism and just you know, like if it startsas a puzzle piece but then it comes out as a butterfly, that meansit's that means it's it came to fruition, like it evolved. Yeah, evolvedand involved like from a cocoon.

So now let's let's spread our wingsand let's let them fly, like let's let people fly, let's let peopledo absolutely are wonderful things. Yeah, I saw. Have you seen?There's an interesting movie, one of the Predator aliens. Predator aliens, oneof those kind of sci fi one of those creatures, resident alien. No, no, it was a from an old like s s thing and theyredid a movie about five years ago. It was a Lim yeah, Iremember. Yeah, and the thing comes to earth and of course, atthe end of the movie The autistic kid saves the day because he was theonly one smart enough to understand alien gibberish. That was such a great twist atthe end. Oh, yeah, that it was. It's been I'veseen that the old alien movies, but not not anyway. Any movie thatends up with like the person that the world thought was disabled saving the day, those are my favorite. Yes, that awesome. That's yeah, absolutely, because, because I feel like, with you guys, you know,doing your podcast and having conversations and making people think and really putting it outthere that like, look, this stigma that's been around for a long time, I'm going to be one of the few people, the people that changesthis. Yeah, and I'm going to work at that. And so rightnow, in this second, you're both you're both trying, you're both changingthe world. It's like it's just that's what's happening, and so it is. It's just a beautiful thing. It's interesting. I don't think of itthat way, but I've been beat up and smashed around in life, soI don't really think anything I do is important. But when you frame itthat way, probably because there are a lot of people that are going tohear this, yeah, I think beaten up to, mentally and physically both. I think well from yeah, yeah, but for sure a decision. Iwas just going to swipe the pieces up, I guess. Sweep,sweep the pieces up and change myself. Then I did. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I did. But it comes and goes, because Ialso have depression problems. Not sure where they stem from, but you know, I don't stigmatize myself for that either. But beam feeling like you don't fitin most of your life and never having really a proper diagnosis until muchlater in life, it just just wires you a different way to see thebad first, and I always have to be really conscious not to dwell thereright, yeah, there's so working on that. I dwell. Yeah,and every day sometimes. And bad is so much more powerful than good thatit's this critical. We were talking about grit and perseverance earlier, because wecan't eliminate all the bad in life, and especially when we're super sensitive theway we are like I'm offended most things. I became a sign maker and agraphic designer when I was young because I thought the world was ugly.I'd go out in the world like God, why are these signs so ugly?How come this graphics are so bad? So that's kind of how I approacheverything. So when I think like HMM, how come no one's tellingmy story? Oh wait, that's my job. As you get a mic, write you. And that's what I was going to say. It makesme so sad to hear you both say you know, like you know,like what you just said really resonated with me, like well, I don'tfeel like what I do is, you know, important and sometimes, andI feel like that too, like trying to hold down a fulltime job andyou know, it's just a different it's just a well mindset. I getit, because it's okay, but I but that makes me really sad becauseI feel like what both of you are doing is is, is more powerfulthan anything I'm doing. Yeah, well, thank first of all, when youjust got to say something now, please. Yeah, okay, okay, well, thank you first of all. Second I mean, well, youput this way equation. We all know that four years is less thanfifteen. Obviously, when you've been antisocial...

...and pushed off to the Cipher fifteenyears, that's going to resonate with you. Yeah, yeah, I'm still tryingnot to dwaw on it, but there's at least one moment of aday where I can say, if it only could have been sooner. Ohright, yeah, like what if? What if I could have had thoseyears back? But you know, Sam, honestly, even though I'm like yourparentage, or maybe older, I'm not sure, the feelings don't goaway, that feeling we have of not fitting in and wishing we had someof that time back. But over time it kind of develops almost like ascar tissue to where you just get tough about it and keep looking forward.So I think that's cool and you seem to have that attitude already, sothat's great. Mental Scars, not Don Physical Scars. That a lot ofmental scars. Yeah, it's funny and even though there's things in life thatyou think, well, I'm never going to let that happen when I growup and have kids, and sure enough the same exact things that I sworeI would never let happen to my family happened. So it's just yeah,it's sometimes it's really maddening, especially when you think a lot. Like everyonetells me, I overthink, two sensitive you know. So I just needa way to get that out on my soul and since I'm not really achurchy kind of person, I figured, Hey, I'll just talking to amic and like a podcast confessional. Yeah, that's this. That's one of thebenefits. Is therapetic. That's why I think I join it. Sotherapy. Honestly, you know, if you want a TV shows, Iit's kind of interesting. I watch I don't know why, but I watchinga lot of to rely on shed, mainly because of Corona, but Igot interesting detective show, homicide hunter, and the last episode. Actually watchinglast episode long and tell you that. But Anyway, the last episode washe he's been doing a lot. I think I saw it's joke Kenda.He solved like over eight like two hundred ninet two cases by having an eightpercent. Eight percent of Casey couldn't solve. One of his episodes was he wasthe last one. He said that TV show was his therapy because hedidn't want to tell his wife or kids some of the stuff he managed that. Yeah, I don't want to tell using the stuff that I had adeal with. Yeah, I mean some said I don't. I'm just tryingto say you from that hurt as a mother right. So that's why Idid this right, right, and I know that, like I say,Ima's always been really good about talking to me, but I know what.He knows how protective I am and he probably doesn't want me to go tojail, but now you can go. John came about that and I knowthat, but I just so it's just so powerful, like what what youguys are doing and and I can see how it would be therapy. Imean it's extraordinary. Yeah, you get a lot of bullet that you probablytell you all about. This tis you crowd came home and cried. Youquite an episode on you getting bullied. I could do. I mean I'mforty five, so I am, you know, middle aged, and whenI was in I started gaining weight when I was in fourth grade and justhave struggled with my life forever, like it's never going to go away.Like I'm definitely am healthier than I have been a long time, but Iguess, yeah, it does leave scars and I would yeah, like Corplike horror to this day. And Yeah, so five years old and I wouldsay I was thirty two or thirty three when I finally realized, Imean I was a mother of like an eight year old. I finally realizedI did not have the problem. The people that were being mean to meand torturing me they had the problem. I was a grown woman and ittook that long for me to realize they were right. Like yeah, justto realize it, and then how much longer to internalize it, to believethat they weren't right? That's even a longer hustle. It will and itand it changed me. Like same said,... I'm, yeah, very defensiveperson. I've I've had a therapist before and he said here's so Ithink that happening. A lot of it is you have a life coach.We both do. We have a life coach now, but my therapist wanttime for several years ago, said it's almost like you're just ready to pounce, because it's almost like I'm going to get you before you get me,because they got me, they got me for a lot of years and Ijust am always ready. You know, yeah, somebody. So that's aproblem. I've suffered from eating disorders because of my way and it all stemsfrom so, yeah, I know that completely, completely get what you guysare saying, but on a different I can't completely get it because I'm noton the spectrum. Yeah, I don't say that. I mean I fullyunder get it, but I always I've tried, don't say that a IowaysI can relate. You said you have like you said that you have analyzed. Believe me, I can understand. It's that's hard. But I don'ttry to say see, it slipped again, I can understand it did again.I always trying to say I can relate, I can never understand oranalyzing or gender is she's always say I can relate because it because a lotof people with like gender issues have the same problems as autistic people. ButI try not say, you know, I understand what you're going through.Oh, that's the worst. I try. I say I can relate, though, to your anxiety over because I hang Zie over Blah, Blah Blah. Or you can try to understand. Yeah, or I hear you alot of times people just wanted to be heard. If you tell him,I hear you right. It sounds a little cliche and generic, but itoften works. Like you said, if you don't know the right words,for sure, solutely. Yeah, I got all these questions that what wecould. We're bouncing around the correction. So now I'm like I'm just goinglike yeah, we've covered that. Would do this. Just a little bitof editing there. That's good. That's a fun well, the fun partI like listening to you talk too, because I'm like, I keep comingup with these new questions I want to ask. That's a man. Actuallyhold myself back from interrupting, mostly because normally I interrupt a lot and myfriends get on me. That's what I'm doing, still like to this day. Yeah, but then when I don't interrupt and I let others talk,I lose my thought. I'm like, Oh now, I forgot what wasgoing to ask, that it was really important my I think it's kind ofthe same way, except I don't lose the thought, I just don't getthe chance. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to tell thesepeople snarize, I'm not getting this chance. Yeah, right, get it outthere. Yeah, he's I think that's kind of where some of thecommunication issues have come with Sam, like from time to time, he's beenan elementary school all the way kind of to high school. He would alwaystell me and I saw it. I mean I was. I was.I was his English teacher and and I was in the same school system,still in you know that he's in. And so I would see people,not necessarily being mean to Sam, but not not asking him to join.They shunned them. Oh Yeah, did not. It's the worst. Yes, and so, yeah, like, Oh my God, just at leastthe give it the get. He probably at some point tried to enter theconversation. In their mind it was quirky. It was Oh yeah, weird,it's me. They were like, okay, we're gonna on to dowith that. So that Jip followed him and that broke my heart. Likethat's what I saw, as I remember like exactly those visions, like thevery moment that I got picked last for kickball or the very moment that Igot last pick for the square dancing in fourth grade. Mean, I justall those things and man, if someone just would have told me I hada different condition, I would understand. But I grew up most of mylife thinking I was just freaking weird, and I'm like what, I don'tunderstand. What does that even mean? Wh I'm just weird? How?What? So it's troubling. The flip side. Yeah, and I can. I don't know. I think weird's good. I well, but backthen they was like weird, like no, we don't like you, you're weirdin a dicky way. And I'm..., well, I get Iget that you're saying that because everybody's calls me that, but I don't understandwhy you think I'm weird. I'm not trying to say I'm trying to getpeople to learness off, because I'm not gonna lie. We are kind ofwe're yeah, we're different than they are, that's for sure, but who cares? But right, exactly, in the grand scheme of things, that'sa good thing. Right, yeah, but on the flip side of that, Yep, I'm weird. Oh Heck, yeah, you're really weird. Youtry either shoot dancy, break your back? Yeah, well, it'syeah, and it takes a truly weird person to hang out with normal folkslike us. So, yeah, exactly. That is the best thing I've heardyou say, that it takes weird people to hang out with normal peoplelike you guys, but there's no normal. Well, I see what. Isee what you're thinking. Now we're throwing around labels. I'm going tosteal the normal one while no one's looking. What if, if, just let'sjust go out on a laying here and say if there was a wordnormal, let's just say that for just a second, that you thought that. Nope, not doing it. But I mean, just for example Sake, what if you guys were considered normal and I wasn't? Why not?I think that's the way it used to be. Yeah, I think thedays of the Greeks and people in they used to wear robes and stand onthe stairs of the Acropolis. I think we were the rulers, I thinkI think people that think commonly were the commoners and I think we ruled stuff. I completely and you know, these people that have brain wiring, thatMatt, that you know, you guys like fall on the spectrum that theycall autism. People in Wall Street, people in Silicone Valley, people thatwork for Amazon, I guarantee you, some of the richest richest people inthe world, the most successful people because of how they think, our ownspectrum. Guarantee it. Oh, I can get you too, Yep.But also, conversely, some are craven sociopaths as well. Absolutely, Ithink it just takes an intense kind of person to be really successful. Whetheryou're intensely like us, think a lot, think oddly, think differently, orif you're intensely like just a sociopath and don't care about other humans,you can climb on top of humans to get propped up. I count comeswith that, with might determination. You don't understand how to determine to getsomething done. I always say, like I say I'm gonna do it,I'm doing it here. You're not stopping me. I say I'm going toleave this house tomorrow. I'm leaving the House that, Dude. That's whyI'm still doing this Goddamn podcasting thing. No offense to by Jesus believers,but I told people I was going to like be famous one day and Ican't let it go. I just about as period, and look what happened. Right. And I'm and when people say, Oh, what about thatone thing you're going to do, I'm like, yeah, I'm fucking stillworking on dude. That's why I'm so busy. I'm like working on thatthing I promised I would do in third grade. I think I swore Iwould do in eleventh grade. Yeah, that's how I am too. Ithink probably we're saying really gets it from my husband and I both are likevery determine people and when we start something, it's from you hard to let itgo. So that's great. Well, Hey, I'm gonna I'M gonna haveto hop off here into a little bit of work, but I'm goingto let you guys count talking whatever you want to do. But he wasvery, very yeah, talk to you. Yeah, thanks for joining us.You know, I appreciate the the support you give Sam, especially becausenot all of us have a support team and you're a great cheerlead form.So I appreciate that and thanks for doing all a lot of the hard workthat we just don't like to do, like reaching out to the public andweird stuff like that. That makes a lot because we wouldn't have hooked uplike Sam and I wouldn't be talking right now if you weren't out there hustling. So thank you. Yeah, you're very welcome and if SAM doesn't getthis in, I want to one more time say you know, thinks allof our sponsors. But secondly I will I want to say his website,www and rollscom has everything on it to where people can follow him and jumpon his services and merchandise and all that stuff. So, yeah, canyou read a list of your sponsors real quick, just one more time sowe can capsulate it. So we have wellspring pain solutions, perfection, autoglass, perfection auto glass, a lot.

Forty five. So, forty five, commercial service, Commercial Service, the Green County General Hospital in Linton, Indiana. Oh, there's more, Steve Miller, CPA tax service.That's important. Oh Yeah, here we go, Bell's. Bell's built automotivein Salisbury Indiana. Life paths counseling in Bloomington Indiana. Is have a lotof sponsors. Good job, I think we got him. Yeah, that'sit. And he shoutouts in particular that aren't necessarily sponsors. No, notthat I can I actually. Yeah, we courtney collision on one of ourfriends got in. Allison Callison, excuse me, got a right from drunkdriving and she got really banged up. So we're trying to trying to geta go fund meet page going. Yeah, Norley Cart you said her last namewas collision. That was a slip, right. Yeah, Pretty, OhGod, I was. Yeah, Nice One, Dude, nice one. I was even intentional. Right, and just to confirm, she wasnot the drinker, right, right, Oh God, that was that.I feel like a terrible person. Oh God, Oh, you're a greatperson. You just helped out a friend by promoting her go fund me page. So I'm sure once she gets to link up there, look for iton Sam's website. Intended there. That was a perfect dude, that thatwas the best guy, because you didn't realize it. I love it.The best thing I've ever heard. There's subtle, all right, if youget on his website to he has a page of appearances and his guest listand that's kind of cool to see. So yeah, but thank you forhaving me on here to you keep doing just the fabulous things you're doing andalways remember that you are very, very important to this world. I appreciatethat absolutely, you and Sam bonker. So we'll be in touch though.Okay, cool, I appreciate you. Thanks, I am thank you.Oh, and I guess you can talk about this side. Did a Tedtalk recently. No kidding. How'd that go? That went great. Actually, a lot of other MOM's APHRAS did. One kids was about a disease thatlike really affected her life, well as not having should grow like growbeef and by beef vocally instead of that like a grocery store and buy likeI owed in, or, you know, like a local store instead of alike a yeah, yeah, I approach, I grow. Yeah,what do you? One was about Inter beauty and then one was about billof rights. So why it's important to us. Mom was about autism,of course, but it was about why autistic people need structure. Yeah,I agree. No, it's interesting about that too, is I really don'tlike authority at all, but I really love structure. And so many peopleconfuse those two. Because if you just tell me what the plan is,dates and times, cool, I'll nail it. If you want to comein and start bossing that round, oh it's a pain in the ass.What's that? What's the first part? You said? I said, ifyou tell me what to do step by step, then it's a pain inthe ass. Oh Yeah, don't micromanage me, don't hover, don't stickaround watching me do what you just said, because I I'm an adult, Ican figure out how to do it. Yeah, that so give me structureany day. I don't need I don't need authority. May Go stalkthe shelves. Okay, tight, I can probably do that easily. I'llstock in my might period. I mean, Yep, that's structure. You justexpect means be there. Just you my thing. Okay, Yep,great, Yep, I actually have common sense and I can stalk a shelf. And is there anything I should not stop? Anything? I need toknow before we get started? Okay, cool, I'm going. So,yeah, structure, for sure. How did your performance come out? Wasit? Did you feel like you were putting on a show? Oh,yeah, we had your virtual because of Covid, obviously. Yeah, butit was a good show. We had like over a hundred people show up. Wow, that's incredible. How did... feel when you were done?Did you feel like you hit all the point you meant to hit? Yeah, felt pretty good. We are good. Are Actually, here's a good thing. We are friends with Simon the Jumdar, who was a guest onmy pod cast, but he's also like the like the iron chef judge forcutthroat kitchen guys grocery games. Oh Yeah, yeah, I don't know that,Dude. Yeah, I had them on because he placed for artistic charitieskiller, and he came on to meet, not meet me, but because heknows me more his friend, but to me, my mom's students andhe he he was late because he had another event, but he hopped outthe last minute and talked to the students for a little bit, even mefor a little while, even though we're friends. Yeah, yeah, that'ssuper cool. Gotta love that. Yeah, that was it was a good daythat day. Honestly, does it get nerve racking? Do Are youthe odd guy? Don't. I don't get nervous ass and I public speak. I think if I do or not, people think I'm an extrovert, butI really think I'm just kind of a spazzy introvert, like I likebeing in my own head, but I can't. I break, like Icrack and some of it seeps out, like I I can relate to that. But yeah, public speaking's always in my thing. Really, you know? Yeah, you like it, Oh, I love it. It's here's thedeal's Guy, was a structure to like. If I say word byword, then I hate it or it's not as fun, but you're tryingto write some notes out and elaborate your way, okay, and I'm like, okay, note one, bicycle number one, note number two. Youknow, that's why I like about it. Yeah, I kind of do thatwith podcast. I hit like three points that I want to get justahead of time in my research. I'm three things I'm really curious about,and then the rest I kind of let go. I like a natural conversation. I used to. I started the podcast with one guy and he said, okay, well, when are we going to sit down? and Iwrite the INTRO. I'm like, what the fuck you talking about? Writethe INTRO. We're just talking so I could know we got to like writesomething out. I'm like no, not at no, we don't at all. Yeah, we'll drive me nut. Thing too, when I make anepisode, you see, I I type, I say like like I'll be likeautistic people need structure and that stuff. I'll make a statement. Then Ido say that in move lots on, like owes many structure. For thesereasons. Why one want they blah to Blah Blah three blocks, likethey need structure of one Blah Blah Blah. But this is why blah blah,blah, blah, Blah Blah Blah. Yep, you need some freedom tolike be yourself within the confines of the structure. Yes, these area lot harder for me, but I've learning to get more structure with those. But while I was trying to do with interviews is I always try mybest to do a follow up, follow up question. It's like I'd dothis original us. So it's like, so how did you become the manageat our school? And but did that help you in any way? Youknow, yeah, that's a good way to do it on the other sideof the microphone. Did you feel any apprehension about coming on a podcast likethis where I did not have any questions? So, like, if I wouldhave given you questions in advance, would that have been helpful? Oris it fun this way? No, it's it's good either way. We'repretty laid back. I don't care. But I enjoy those, honestly,a lot more because we can talk about what we want. You get toknow them and more personal, you know. Yeah, right, and I didn'twant to go in with an agenda because I am a truly curious person. I just wanted to see, like, whatever you say, I want tolike dig deeper into that thing. You know. Yeah, yeah,very cool. What do you have hobbies outside of podcasting, like what keepsyou busy, what fills your structure during the day, aside from podcasting theHey farcel horse. Yeah, well, that's just plus. That works youout. That like will drain you physically after all day. Yet best great, but where it's a lot harder to...

...get drained. But when you likeme, I'll do a lot in the winter. Were pretty laid back inthe winter. But I mean, reese and I love escape rooms. That'sanother thing I love to do. Who Are you? Good? Our recordis, let's see, we only escape two times, mom and I thoughthose things are hard. Oh yeah, they're hard, Ma'am at. They'refun, totally do. You go with the same crew of people, likea same group of friends sometimes, but we like to mix it up sometimesjust it's mainly my mother and I nice. Those are fun. Anybody that hasn'tbeen to an escape room has to try the all they got right,they got try one at least. I mean yeah, yeah, because it'sreally trippy feeling like, Oh man, because it really feels like you gotto escape. So it definitely does. Yeah, it's that feeling like inif you've ever done laser tag in one of those indoor laser tag places,it gets your adrenaline pumping as if you were really being shot at. Exactly. That's then. That's why I it's so structure to I mean and therooms, oh my goodness, you know, you kind of want to like bein the room. You want to have an hungry underground dungeon your room. Yeah, and if they're so thoroughly decorated and full of stuff, I'mlike, Whoa, even if it's not the stuff that I need to getout of the room, I'm just curious looking at all this stuff. Iam too man. Oh, that that's mom. Yeah, that would befun. It would be fun to have the kind of money to create yourown Escape Room Company. You. Oh, no, be fun. Oh,I thank you. That for a job every day. That would bemy dream job right there. Yeah, would it be fun? Like allkind of gadgets and just weird stuff and storylines that you could develop. Andthen saw another hobby. I guess I could talk about it, as I'menjoy a travel another on potential careers. Not really like to travel the world. That's my eyes, kind of fun and be fun but kind of blandat the same time, which is odd. But I want to help people findtheir destinations, like if you're going to come to Bloomington Anyada. Iwould tip what would be fun and what fun things in Blueton. Aniata andlet's they never been a blooming ten, but I find some I never heardI've been blooming oh my goodness, to me that's extremely fun and a greattime for me. Honestly, who that does sound fun. I think oneof my dreams is along those lines, whereas I would like to have apodcast where I drive around in one of those fancy sprinter vans with the podcaststudio and a bed in the kitchen and just get to the new town andlike, okay, here I am, what's there to do? All thatwould be. That would be a good idea. Actually, it would bea black pot. It would have just the structure I need. It wouldgive me the freedom I love to travel around and then somehow eventually come backhome and park the van and do some podcast editing. But you could doit all from the road. I think. Could just require a quite a bitof money to buy the van that I would like. Fred, yousleep in a hotels. I mean cost a lot of money, but hey, if it yeah, you and what or do do it. I stoppingyou. I couldn't do it myself. I'm not that branch, but they'vegot the money do it. Yeah, that would be fun. I've seenthat. One of my favorite youtube channels is hobos that hop on trains andride trains illegally across America. It's amazing. Not Regular people trains, just youknow, cargo trains and they ride for free all across America just thevideo tape with the Youtube can't with their go pros. It's fascinating and yeah, I mean that would be a good time. I have me. So, Dude, is there anything I could do to help you promote your podcast? I'm obviously I'm going to promote this episode and talk about it and stufflike that. I got you. So if you want to find me morefter you learn about me, you can find me on pod being, Youtube, spotify, apple, podcast, soundclouds. That sure linkedin all the good ones, and that's autism. Rocks and Rollscom will probably lead you to anyof those links anyway. Right, it does all the important ones. Niceand what do you look forward to the... several podcast of yours? Likeby the time this one? I'll probably put this one out tonight, solate February. Do you have some idea of what kind of guests you wouldlike coming up on your show? That's my mom Shob, my editor's job, so I'm pretty show with whoever, but I got a lot of ideas. All that you must tune in in the future. You gotta tune into find out. Yes, sir, love it, man, will say, I'm I appreciate you, dude. I look forward to getting some feedbackfrom our audience on your appearance here, and you're always welcome to come backif you've got something more to talk about, and I'm sure you always do.What me back back in the Holler. I'm available, man. I willdo that and, like I said, I was telling your mom I normallydon't have guests because they're just a pain in the ASS, but you'renot a pain in the ass at all, so it was funny. Be Niceto check in with somebody once in a while. Yes, sir.All right then, we'll enjoy the rest of your weekend and I'll look forwardto talking to you. I'll share this link with you when I'm finished everygame and check it out yourself. All right, thank you again. Youhave a good day now. Thanks Sam. We'll talk to you soon, buddy, bye bye, bye bye. And now back to the wall.

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