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Conversing with Sam/ From Autism Rocks and Rolls/ A Podcast For Us

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Special thanks to Wellspring Pain Solutions in Bloomington, Indiana for supporting my guest's show, Autism Rocks and Rolls. This episode of Emo Dojo features the host of Autism Rocks and Rolls, Sam and his production partner (and mom) Gina. Please share with your social networks. Visit AutismRocksAndRolls.com for more info about Sam. Email john@emodojo.com for any other stuff. 

Welcome back to the mighty themo: doJoe I'll be johnny motions. You be you, let's go so today's episode feature Sam fromAutism Rocks and rolls podcast and his moms a production, teammate Gina. I metthem on Potit facebook group and you know. Well typically, I don't likehavving guests, because it's just a lot of work. It's a lot of worktrackingthem down that I don't have a team of people to organize that and people aregenerally flaky and most people who want to be a guest are not the people Iwant to have as guests, and I don't like chasing guests.Otherwise, like I want guess that I'm interested in you might recall the transcranial direct current stimulationdevice I use well. I got that because I was watching the TV show and I saw aguy on the TV show that made it, and I said I'm GOINGNA call him, because Idon't don't really pay attention to boundaries like I should. So when I see a guest and no matter howappropriate or inappropriate com on yeah, I want that guest and then, whenI can't get the guest I'm like O fucking, I don't want any guests so, with Sam he's, got a cool podcast,autism rocks and rolls, and what's especially cool about his podcast, isthat he has help he's got his mom and they also have sponsors like wellspring pain management, that's freaking, cool, so they're, not my sponsored butI'll plug them. Just because there's a business out there, that's puttingtheir money straight back into the community by way of supporting apodcast, and I think that's freaking, great, so yeah. I was one of these guys like the brains,appothing, that's one guy! I wanted as a podcast guest. I think Mr Kann maystill come on the show he hasn't said. No. I just haven't had h time to sink up with himas I'd like to we email back and forth a couple of times, but the other guy.So there's a commercial for pepto, Bizmo Bisma, whatever it's called thepink stuff for upset stummyc and there's a dude on that commercial,that a want to interview in the commercial there's a song a littlecommercial jingle, and it goes a little something like this. When you have nosAin, the Gesur, its Comin Right, I want to talk to the diarrhea guy, this guyhi so like I tracked him down and I wanting sent email to his publicistslike I want to interview your guy for my podcast. But of course I don't hear back frompeople like that. Why not like what dude? I want to ask him, so it turns out thatguy, the diarrhea guy is a pretty well known, Canadian actor in Canada, and you know stage and screen and that sortof thing he gets famous for fucking Tia. I love it and I want to interfew aboutthat like how is it when you get famous for athing that you dislike most, that of all the things you do in your career?What's it like being notorious or famous whatever for the thing you likeliked, the least like Alec Ginnis, Sir Alec Ginnes from the Star Wars.Apparently he hated being known as Obi Wan Canobe. Well, he could have beenknown as the Diarea guys. Anyway. That's why I don't chase guest.I have a hard time finding people I actually want to talk to to return. My emails, however Wein thecase of Sam from autism, rocks and roles. His mom helps him. She actuallyreplied to an email that I sent her...

...because she was posting some thingsthat sounded interesting in Hi facebook group so see that's as easy as it is. So, let's just jump into it. There isno structure here, it's just US having a casual conversation. There was noagenda and I just like his company and I loved that the the fact that Genashowed up to support him when he stepped away from the Mike made things flow really smoothly and kind of gave acool representation of what it's like to both produce podcast and Beond thespectrum. So I hope you enjuy and I'll see you in a few days or you'll hearfrom me. In a few days Hoso we have wellspring pain solutionin Bloomington Indiana. There are big big supporter. They are just a hundredpercent on board, with auces on rocks and Rols. They changed the outfits that they wear in all oftheir doctors offices to same's Tshirt. They have created pins they. What dothey do? Are they a paint company and if so, what's it have to do withdoctors? It's a pain, pain, o pain, like pain, medicine that Kallitisin butokayot. I guess yeah like got a bad shoulge to like a nervous sodgeor, sothat hythey're, a big company in Indiana, got like a therapy place whereyou go to get therapy visit, what there a and massage and that sort of stuffyeah they have just really have you know therthey're believing in Sam andwith what he's doing in his mission and this they are just wonderful, wonderfulpeople. How did you come to meet those folks di? Did somebody reach out to youguys or do you reach out to the local community? Had that go this one I meanI have reached out to some of the sponsors, because we have three bidsponsors right now, and then we have some small ones and two out of thethree sponsors I did reach out to just from knowing some people that thisfirst big sponsor our main sponsor didapproachd us. So that happened, but we also want tothink commercial service in BIMINGTON Indiana for donating a rather greatsomet, not a huge amount, but some money for Sam to buy some APPs that Water his podcast APPs Yep software yeah is no apts and then we also want tothink what does commercial services do?That's kind of a vague name, yeah deserve more props than their name canconvey, but absolutely they've been a business for over. I think I think,like fifty years, it's a family UN company, but they are heating. An airconditioning place. Oh great, that Wan hats. I demand right now for sureabsolutely, and then we have perfection autoglass. That also has several several ocations in fishers want to say: MONTHSEE, BlomingtonIndiana and they have really jumped on forward and are helping Sam and thenWai you'll do go head. What's the? What do you think the key is to that likedud? Do you think their employees, or the owners or whatnot, have kids on thespectrum, or how do you think your message resonated so well with them?Well, I think it's a combination, kind of dealing with the sponsors in whichyou know figuring out worketing and things like that. I don't I'm nottrained in marketing THA TA Ye Mking, I'm an educator yeah over the last twoor three years iave. Like really educated myself, I mean I've ive builtseveral websites for Saum, just really taught myself to do it, but as far as like, I think I think,there's a a lot of things, but the ones that the couple things that come to mymind is one SAM has a powerful mission, and I thinkthat when that mission is put out there...

...n and people seeing like how serious heis, he is about this and how serious I am about it as his mother. I think thatmission is so like extremely powerful when a company here sees a sees a youngman that has had definite struggles throughout his life because he's on theautism spectrum, I think shars Li, you can't understand, O a hundred percent.You might be able to because your Yousay Efecyeah, no th notism isprobably the bost fascinating. I just call it a condition: it's just a statebecause some people benefit when they say Ihave a disability and then they're able to get reliefed through governmentsubsidies, and things like that. So I'm like great. However, you can findrelief if you want to call it a disability cool if you like, I considerit more of a asset, almost a secret weapon,because I don't tell many people like I use a fake name for the TV for thisshow, and you know all these things so, but in my real life I keep it on thedownlowd. But when I know I need to pull from that reserve from the focusfrom the creativity. Sometimes I have to call ind sick il got food poisoning,but what I'm really doing, I'm at home, just being me figuring out like how to rule the worldand my little grand plans, so I, but I think you guys probably present reallya winning team too. It's nice to back winners, people that are actually doingit. Yeah, that's what I was going to say is thes. This message is coming outvery powerfully and and then I think once people think. Oh my gosh, you knowyou have this kid. He was really pationate about this, and then theyfind out how many followers he's had he has and then they find out the bignames that's been on his show and then they find out the demographics and theyfind out how many they find out all this information and then I think theythink. How can our company benefit from this, and I really do think- that's that's that's kind of like themotive, but I think what gets them pulled in and gets teem interested isjust the power of what he's doing the power of Sam.Absolutely absolutely tats, really what I think-and it does boil down to sometimes well really all the time who you know andwho you can talk to. If you have an idea- and that's that's been a lot of the things is, I think I wonder this person knows this person and if Isay this to them, yeah it's risky. You right, you have to open up and tellpeople things you don't necessarily want to like reveal to get to the nextstep towards the thing you want to achieve and you can get challenging. So I thin you,I don't care honestly with how it turns out I ar really to like it deal with it.That's I toking, that's the and I'm curious, and I don't want to. I don't want to be disrespectful in anyway I mean I'm salm and ir the least disrespectful people you'llover meet your life, debatable shaving, eageent, orn blood butmy question to you is: Do you feellike we live in a world and in a society where there are times andsituations where you have to conceal the fact that you have bautism or doyou feel comfortable, just kind of letting everybody know that andembracing that I like? What is your I'm just curious, what' Tour Eing on that? I feel it's highly important thatpeople know others with any kind of conditions. Let let the mass market know that weexist in we're effectively normal right aside from our label, we're normal. Ithink that that's so critical. Conversely, though, I feel thatpersonally I've been divorced and fired a number of timesonce my conditions have been revealed, and I think that those have been usedas the quote. Unquote reasons for those problems in my life so yeah, Idefinitely feel...

...maybe it just my age on, like fifty SOMgeneration x and back in the day our parents took us to the doctor and ifthey said, Oh, I think he's got autism well. That meant, I think, your kidsretarded and I'm like what so my mom and dad nobody like followed up on thatbecause they were like well he's in the gifted program at school. So He'sdefinitely not that, so they didn't have a way to deal with it, so theyjust put it aside. So yeah I deal with a lot of stigma in general, which iswhy, like I, perform under johnny motions instead of my actual name,things like that yeah yeah and we see it like. We seethat that stigma I mean, but but I its generation like it Sam's a differentgeneration right he's the next after US absolutely and it makes a world of adifference. Yeah. I feel like that's where his that's, where his mission isyeah to help people understand. Look, they have autism, I ththere as been times and not on a NOTAlot, but there have been times when people have talked to me about SAMG. Idon't even emer like foundation of the conversation was, but it was almostlike. Oh Sam has autism, I'm really sorrylike I'm sorryright might come on yeah and my response, a lot of times hasbeen well wait a minute he has autism. What do you have? Are you perfect? Oh,this is the that's the whole nother podcast right there, people alwayslooking, especially for those of us who have been diagnosed with something ortreated or working our problems out right. If we share those with otherpeople who never go to a therapist or any doctors, they tend to use thatagainst us like, oh well, they're, sick, ther, they're brokend, I'm like no, no,I'm just acknowledging my existence like I'm acknowledging my problemsinstead of hiding them yeah, but but I don't even know like. As far like you said the word normal,that's not a word ohous. I don't believe in that. I don't believe. Nohonestly, I think we are normal. I mean you know what I mean like we fit intonormal, no there's, no normal bod yeah. Well, that's what anything like. Ithink everything is so vary. It's not here. Roi, IT'S NORMAL YEAH! It's yeah!Oh Yeah, go ahead! Now that the thing you're just talking about to thatathatbrings me to a thing. I think about a lot is the depiction of neurotypicalsin the media. Are there any programs that youv see autism represented wellor any that make you cringe, especially hard Ino? I don't really. There was a youngman and I of course, would not say his name because he's pretty well known, heruns. You know some autismalarnous things and he himself is on thespectrum. So I would never tell him. No. You can't think like that, like. Iwould never ever do that, but I just he's very, very offended by the autismpuzzlepiece and he was going to do some work with us and decided not to ECAbecause of the puzzlepiece t puzzlepece interesting. You know I'm not willingthis. That would be completely up to say him whether he wanted to changethat, and he and I had a conversation with SAM- and I said this is my opinion,but attmy opinion is everybody to their own. If the puzzlepiece offends him becauseof you know past history with the puzzlepiece, that's fine, but I canlook at that puzzlepiece and a different way. I feel like with thatpuzzlepiece e floating it's it's a puzzlepieces in everybody's brain andthose puzzle. Pieces put toar put together to make you, and so I'm notoffended by the puzzlepiece, and I just I don't take much offense to anythingbecause everybody views things differently andthat's: okay, that's yeah! It is interesting, especially doing like apodcast for...

...the mental health field, for example.It's really hard to get guess, because some of them are actually sick. Thattime that moment, I need them on the on the microphone they're having anepisode, that's hard enough to de to deal with and so there's. So this could go so deep withthe the threads and my mind is starting to get boggled. I have like I'm almostto the point where I'm going to start wearing blind folds over my eyes. WhenI do this. No, I know I just it's just such a you know with Sam's podcast. A lot ofpeople are like. Why do you do this? Like you said what is your mission?It's that it's that it's to take that stigma off of when people look at Sam.Yes, he has autism it's brainwiring when he was in my wob. That is how hisbrain wired, just like when I was in my mother's room, wo that as not her roomher womb. This is how my brain wire- and that's it that's all. It is, I feellike, let's just say they have autism. Just like I have a mathdisability yeah,you don't do math at all, so I guess what Oh hey that that brings it upbefore I forget this. Do you prefer terms like I have autism to I amautistic? Is there do you have a DU discern between the two, no thinnow?What I do like, though, when I find myself doing this too, but for I always think I like I'm not offendedby it. If someone says an autistic person, I mean I'm notad, it justhappens, but I prefer for people to say- or I say, a person with autism becausethey're a person first, I mean Yeah Ule, ps yeah, it's funny, becausepeople bring it up, often because I like, when I'm on social media, I'mkind of me and I don't have a filter, especially when I talk from behind mylittle icon. My little logo and people give me static, sometimes about sayingdon't say they are autistics say they have autism and m. like that's coolI'll, go with that and then I started extending that to other things. I'mlike. Oh He's, not fat, he has fans. So I'm, like that's cool I'll work withthat. So it's factual right, but I anyway get back to the puzzlepiece, soyou're aware of the band iron maiden Sam yeah, but I don't check them outthat much iwe okay, they theyre iconic, mostly further, obviously their music,but their arts work. So I ran into the artist who has done all of their: They have a character named Eddie is amascot, is like a decaying corpse face that everyone loves and he's been ontheir albums since the very first album and is drawn by a guy named DerickRiggs. So I was at a comicon and it ran at Toe Derek Riggs and he had this mostamazing shirt and like. Where did what is? What's that all about? He said Idrew this shirt for an autism fundrazor and I'm like I got Ta, have it so hisshirt was. It was Badass Dude. It was this rotting corps, Eddie Skull, youknow, Mascot, where at the top of his head is liced off like alluding to aprevious album cover, but his brain was puzzlepieces floating out of his brain,turning into butterflies, thats kind, its cool, because it wasboth creepy and hard rock and a perfect attribution toe that so crazy, but sothe same time I'll try to find a picture of it's, not it's not widelyreleased and I'm trying to get a hold of the guy. So in get maybe a print ofit, but I do have the Tshir I'm Lik th crepy, but cool at the SADTIM. I thinkthat ey be cool right, exactly creep cool, I love creepy cool being anEnglish teacherthough like I can think of so much symbolism and just you knowlike if it starts as a puzzlepiece, but then it comes out as a butterfly. Thatmeans it's. That means it's came to fruition like evolved, yeah,evalledvolved like from a COCON. So now,...

...let's, let's spread our ways and let'slet hem fly likelooks. What people fly? Let's let people do Oson, theair,wonderful things. Yeah, I saw have you seen, there's a a interesting movie,one of the PRED Aliens Predator Aliens, one ofthose kind of Scifi, one of those creatures resident alien. No, no! Itwas from old, like s thing and they redid a movie about five years ago. It was Alen Yeah. I remember yeah andthe thing comes to earth and of course, at the end of the movie,The autistic kid saves the day because he was the only one smart enough tounderstand alien gibberish. That was such a great twist at the endOh yeah thet. It was at's. I've seen thataen moviesbut, no noan any movie.That ends up with, like the person that the world thought was disabled savingthe day. Those are my favorite. Yes that Asome, that's yeah, absolutelybecause because I feel like with you guys, you know doing your podcast and having conversations and making peoplethink and really putting it out there that, like look this stigma, that's been around for along time, I'm going to be one of the New People, the people that changes,this Yei'm Gonto work at that, and so right now in this second Youare, bothyou're both try you're both changing the world like it's just that's what's happening,and so it is it's just a beautiful thing. It's interesting! I don't thinkof it that way, but I've been beat up and smashed around in life. So I don'treally think anything I do is important, but when you frame it that way,probably because there are a lot of people that are going to hear this yeahbeaten up to Mentallyan physically, both I think yeah yeah, but for SMEdecision. I was just Gong to swipe the pieces up. I guess sweep sweep thepieces up and change myself and I did yeah yeah, that's exactly what I did,but it comes and goes because I also have depression problems, not surewhere they stem from. But you know I don't stigmatize myself for that eitherbut being feeling like you don't fit in most of your life and never havingreally a proper diagnosis until much later in life. It just just wires. Youa different way to see the bad first and I always have to be reallyconscious, not o, to dwell there right, yeah, they're, still working on that. Iwe and every day sometimes and bad- is so much more powerful than good thatit's this critical. We were talking about grit and perseverance earlier,because we can't eliminate all the bad in life and especially when we r supersensitive the way we are like I'm offended at most things I became asignmaker and a graphic designer when I was young, because I thought the worldwas ugly. I'd go out in the World Li God. Why are these signs so ugly? Howcome this graphics are so bad? So that's kind of how I approacheverything so when I think, like HMM helcome, no one's telling my story, Ohwait! That's my job as Shou get a Mike Right, Ou and that's what I was goingto say. It makes me so sad to hear you both say. You know, like you know likewhat you just said, really resonated with me like. Well, I don't feel likewhat I do is you know important sometimes, and I feel like that too,like trying to hold down a fulltime job- and you know it's just a different.It's just a well mine. I get it because it's okay, but but that makes me really sad because Ifeel like what both of you are doing is is is more powerful than anything. I'mdoing. Yeah fat well think, first of all, Le just guys say something. Pleaseyeah: Okay, anytime, you N, okay! Well! Thank you. First of all, second, I meanWel, you put this way equation. We all know that...

...four years is less than fifteen.Obviously, when you've been antisocial and pushedout to the side for fifteen years, that's goon to resonate with you, yeahyeah, I'm still trying not to den it, but there's at least one moment of aday where I can say if it only could have been sooner aright yeah like what, if what if I could havehad those years back, but you know Sam honestly, even though I'm like yourparents, age or may be older, I'm not sure the the feelings don't go away. Thatfeeling we have of not fitting in and wishing we had some of that timeback,but over time it kind of develops most like a scar tissue to where you justget tough about it and keep looking forward. So I think that's cool and youseem to have that attitude already. So that's great mental car Nio physicalscars have a lot of mental scars. Yeah Yeah it's funny, and even thoughthere's things in life that you think well, I'm never like going to. Let thathappen when I grow up and have kids and sure enough same exact things that Iswore I would never let happen to my family happened, so it just yeah it'ssometimes it's really maddening, especially when you you think a lotlike everyone tells me I overthink too sensitive. You know, so I just need away to get that out of my soul and since I'm not really a churchy kind ofperson, I figured hey I'll just talk into a mice, an like a podcastconfessional, yeah, yeah t this. That's one of the benefits is thera penny.That's why I think enjoy it so therapy. Honestly, you know if you watch TVshows it's kind of interesting. I watch. I don't know why, but I'm watching alot of Tho Linein Shud, mainly because ofCorona, but I got interested in detective, show homicide hunter at thelast episode. Atoul watch Los Episode, wee Le Tell you that, but anyway, thelast episode was. He he's been doing a lot. I think e saw it's Joe Kenda. Hesolve like over eight Bie, two hundred niney two cases by tolling an eightpercent. Eight percent of KS couldn solve one of his episodes. Washe wasthe last one. He said that TV show was jis therapy because he didn't want totell his wife or kids some of the stuff he manage o yeah yeah. I don't want totell you some the stuff that Hado deal with yeah, I mean Someson. I don't I'msttrying to say any from that hur as a mother right. So that's why I did thisright right and I know that, like I, Sam has always been really good abouttalking to me, but I know well, he knows how protective I am and heprobably doesn't want me to go to Jal, but you can go. Jol came about tha and I know that, but I just so it's just so powerful like what whatyou guys are doing and and I can see how it would be therapy. I mean it's extraordinary. You Dit alot ofbullet thing. You probably ' tell you all about this times. You Cro came homeand cried you find episode on you getting bully. I could do I mean I'mforty five, so I am you know middle aged and when I was in, I startedgaining weight when I was in fourth grade and just have struggled with mylife forever like it's never going to go away, like I'm definitely nhealthier than I have been a long time, but I guess yeah it does leave scarsand I would yeah a coral like hole to this day. Iyeah so five years old and I would say I was thirty, two or thirty three. WhenI finally realized I mean I was a mother of like an eight year old. Ifinally realized I did not have the problem, the peoplethat were being mean to me and torturing me they had the problem. Iwas a grown woman and it took that long for me to realizethey weren't right, like yeah yeah, just to realize it and then how muchlonger to internalize it to believe that they weren't right, that's even alonger hustle it well and it and it changed me like same said, like I yeavery diffensive person,...

I've had a therapist before and he saidhere. So I think that happening. A lot of it is yea a life coach. We both do.We have a Liego sow, but my therapist won several years ago said it's almostlike you're just ready to pounce, because it's almost like I'm gonna getyou before. You get me because they got me. They got me for a lot of years andI just am always ready, yeah somebody. So that's a problem. I've suffered fromdisorders because of my weygh and it all stems from so yeah. I know hcompletely completely get what you guys are saying, but on a different I can'tcompletely get it because I'm not on the spectrum yeah. I Lo to say that Imean bolly. I no tit, but I always I try. Don't say that AIAAS I can relate.You said you have like you sound like you'v analyzed. Believe me, I canunderstand it's that's hard, but I don't try to say se it slipped again. Ican understand. I did again. I was trying to say I can relate. I can neverrstand over analyzing por, gender, a shes always say I can lea ecause it,because a lot of people with like gender issues have the same problems asautistic people. But I try not say you know. I understand what you're goingthrough. Oh, that's the worst a tryi to say I can relate, though, to youranxiety over is. I Hang Zi over Blah Blah Blah Eryou can try to understandyeah or I hear you a lot of times. People just want to be heard. If youtell Thim, I hear you, it sounds a little cliche and generic,but it often works like you said. If you don't know the right words for sure absolutely yeah. I got all these questions that, but wewere bouncing around ifthe Correction Sot. Now, I'm like I'm just going likeHan we've covered. That would do this little bit of editing there. That'sgood, that's a fun! Well, the font part Ilike listening to you talk to because I'm like I keep coming up with thesenew questions. I want Toask, that's you know man. I hold myself back frominterrupting, mostly because normally I interrupt a lot and my friends get onme. That's what I'm going still like wor this day, yeah, but then, when Idon't interrupt- and I let others talk, I lose my thought and like Oh now, Iforgot what was going to ask that it was really important. I think it's kindof the same way except I don't lose the thought. I just don't get the chance.I'm like all right. I'm going to tell these people son Ises, I'm Nigt, getthis chance, yeah right, get it out there yeah he's, I think that's kind ofwere some of the communication issues have come with Sam, like from time thetime he spent in elementary school al the way kind of to high school. Hewould always tell me- and I saw it I mean I was I was I was his Englishteacher and I was in the same school system still in you know that he's in,and so I would see people not necessarily be mee to see him, but notnot asking him to join. They shunned him. OHYEA nos the worstye and so yeah,Oh, my God, just at least Givihe, probably at some point tried to enterthe conversation in their mind. It was quarky it oh yeah yer. It's me theywere like okay, we're gonna want to Doa with that, so that jep followed him andthat broke my heart. Like that's what I saw. I remember like exactly thosevisions like the very moment that I got picked last for kickball or the verymoment that I got last picg for the square dancing and fourth grade. I meanI just all those things and man. If someone just would have told me, I hada different condition. I wouldn' understand, but I grew up most of mylife thinking. I was just freaking weird and I'm like what I don'tunderstand. What does that even mean, I'm just weird how what so is troublingthe flipside yeah? And I can I don't know I think weirds good I wll, butback then there was like weird like no. We don't like you you're, weird in aHicky Way and I'm like well, I get I...

...get that you're saying that becauseeverybody's calls me that, but I don't understand why you think I'm weird, I'mnot trying to say I'm trying to get people the leerness off, because I'mnot GOINGNA lie. We are kind of we're. Yeah were different than they arethat's for sure, but who cares but right exactly in the grand scheme ofthings? That's a good thing right: yeah on the flipside of fat, Yep I'Mr, Ohheck, yeah Y, really, you tryo the shoot, dancing, Ou break your back!Well, it's EAH and it takes a truly weird person to hang out with normalfolks like us. So you know exactly. That is the best thing. I've heard yousay that it takes weird people to hang out withloor people like you guys, butthere's no home. Well, I see what I see. What yeah no Wen were throwing aroundlabels, I'm going to steal the normal one while no one's liking. What? If, if just let's just go out on e Ligerand say if there was a word normal, let's just say that for just a secondthat you thought thatot not doing it, but I mean just, for example, sake whatif you guys were considered normal- and Iwas why not, I think, that's the way it used to be yeah. I think the days ofthe Greeks and people when they used to wear robes and stand on the stairs ofthe Acropolis. I think we were the rulers. I think I think people thatthink commonly were the commoners and I think we ruled stuff, as I completely,and you know these people that have brain wiring that met that that youknow you guys like fall in the spectrum that they caught autism people in WallStreet people in Silicon Valley, people that work for Abazon. I guarantee yousome of the richest richest people in the world, the most successful peoplebecause of how they think our own spectrum guarantee. Oh, I can yea toYep, but also, conversely, some were craven sociopaths as well. Absolutely Ithink it just takes an intense kind of person to be really successful. Whetheryou're intensely like us, think a lot think, oddly think differently or ifyou're intensely like just a socialpath and don't care about other humans, youcan climb on top of humans to get proo. I can comes with that with mydetermination. You don't understand how you Turnineo get something done. Ialways say like. Let's say I'm going to do it, I'm doing it here, you're, notstopping me. I say I'm GOINGTA leave this house tomorrow, I'll leave in thehouse that dude that's, why I'm still doingthis Goddamn podcasting thing no offense to by Jesus believers, but Itold people I was good like be famous one day and I can't let it go. I just O podcast period and Lt Hathappen right and I'm and when people say oh what about that? One thingyou're going to do: I'm like yeah, I'm fucking, still working OT DUDE! That'swhy I'm so busy I'm like working on that thing I promised I would do inthird grade. I think I swore I would do in eleventh grade yeah. That's how I amTohepbbrgeto. My lvery determined peopleand. When we start somthing isfom Youwan to let it Goso. THAT'S GRIAT! Well, Hey! I'M gonna! I'm Goingno haveto hop off here, Ando a little bit of work, but I'M gonna. Let you guys cotalking whatever you want to do, but hi was very, very dam. Talk to you! Yeahthanks for joinngness, you KNO. I appreciate the support you give Sam,especially because not all of us have a support team and you're. A great cheerleade form so appreciate that, and thanks for doing all a lot of the hardwork that we just don't like to do. Yeah like reaching out to the publicand weird stuff like that. That makes a lot because we wouldn't have hooked uplike Salmond. I wouldn't be talking right now, if you weren't out therehustling, so thank you. Yeah you're, very Welcomei, SAM, doesn't get this in.I want a one more timeto say you now thanks all of our sponsors, butsecondly, W I want to say his website. WWWI autosm, Ropsan Rollscom haseverything on it to where people can follow him and jump on his services andmerchandise, and all that stuff. So yeah, can you read a list of yoursponsors, real, quick, just one more time, so we can capsulate it. So wehave wealthspring pain solutions,...

...profecsion, an glass perfection, autoglass, Alon, forty five, soon, forty five commercial service,commercial service, the Green County, General Hospital inLinton Indiana. Oh there's, more Steve, Miller, CPA taxservice, that's important! Oh Yeah! Here we gobells. Hebells built automotive in Salsbury,Indiana life paths, counseling in Blamington,INDIANA oguys have a lot of sponsors, good job ithink. We got IYEAH andheshout out in particular that aren't necessarily sponsors. No, not that Ican actually yeah we courtny collision, one of our friends got in a callison.Excuse me got in a right from drunk driving and she got really banged up sowe're trying to she trying to get a bill. Fun Meat, page Fellin, Y noarlyAyu. You said her last name was collision. That was a slip right, Yeah Roh God. I was yeah Nice, one dude niceone. I was even tentional right and just to confirm she was not the drinkerright Igoh. That was that I feel like a terrible person. Oh God, O you're, agreat person. You just helped out a friend by promoting her go fun me page.So I'm sure once you get to link up there, look for it on SAMs. What intended there hat was aperfect dude, th t. That was the best kind, because you didn't realize it. Ilove it as the Best Thingerhayeu're subtle Rightif you get on his websiteto. He has a page of appearances in his guest list and that's kind of cool tosee so yeah. But thank you for having me on here, too. You keep doing justthe fabulous things. You're doing and always remember, like you are very,very important to this world, appreciate that absolutely Youansanbots are so we'll be in touch, though. Okay cool, I appreciate youthanks. Andy, Oh and I guess Wu Tal on this sid did aTed talk recently no kidding. How did that? Go that Wak Great, actually a lotof other MOM's, a Phas Dad one kids was about a disease that like reallyaffected her life. Wat was TNOT, have should grow like grow beef and by beeflocally, instead of at like a grocery store and by like a odin or you knowlike a local store. Instead of that, like a yeah, I yeah Pi Agree Yeah. Whatdo you one was about inner beauty and then one was about bill of rightsand? Why it's important to us! Mine was about autism, of course, but it wasabout why autistic people need structure yeah. I agree Kno Wat's interestingabout that too. Is I really don't like authority at all, but I really lovestructure and so many people confuse those two, because if you just tell mewhat the plan is dates and times cool I'll nail it if you want to come in andstart bising that round, oh it's a pain in the ass. What's that what's thefirst part, you said, I said: If you tell me what to do step by step, thenit's a pay in the ASS. Oh Yeah, don't micromanage me, don't hover, don'tstick around watching me. Do what you just said, because I'm an adult I canfigure out how to do it. Yeah that so give me structure any day. I don't need.I don't need authority. Mak, go stock, the shelves! Okay, tight. I canprobably do that easily I'll stock Im. I I period I mean Yep, that's structure,you just extenmes, be there just do my thing: okay, Yeh, Great Yep! I actuallyhave common sense and I can stock a shelf and is there anything I shouldnot stock anything I need to know before I get started: okay, cool, I'mgoing so yeah structure for sure. How did your performance come out? Was it?What did you feel like you were putting on a show? Oh Yeah. We had ne virtualbecause of Povid, obviously yeah Bu. It was a good show. We had like over ahundred people show up wow, that's...

...incredible. How did you feel when youwere done? Did you feel, like you hit all the points you meant to hit yeah, Ifelt pretty good. We ar do Goodar, actually he's a good thing. We arefriends with Si Ma Jumdar, who was a guest of my pod cast, but he's alsolike the like. The Iron Chef judge were cutthrou kitchen, guys grocery game. OhYeah, yeah. I know that Dude Yeah I had him on. Does he play protisticcharities killer and he came on to mee not meet me but becauze? He knows me,Maris friend, but to me my mom's students and he he was late because he had anotherevent, but he hopped ont the last minute and talked to the students for alittle bit. emen me for a little while, even though we're friends yeah yeah,that's super cool gotta love that yeah, that was, it was a good day thatday honestly dos it get nerve racking. Do you? AreYou I'm the ODD Guydon't? I don't get nervous off soon. Mi PublicSpeak Doni. Think if I do or not people thinkI'm an extro vert, but I really think I'm just kind of a spazy introvert,like I like being in my own head, but I can't I break like a crack and some ofit seeps out like I can relate to that. But yeah public speakings always beenmy thing really. You know yeah you like it. Oh I love it. It's here's e deal isguy was wit structure. To, like I say word by word, then I hate it or it'snot as fun but Yei. You TNA write some notes out and elaberate your away. Okay-and am I okay, not one bicycle nuone. Note number two, youknow that's what I think about it yeah, I kind of do that with podcast. I hitlike three points that I want to get just ahead of time in my research, I'mthree things I'm really curious about and then the rest I kind of like go. Ilike a natural conversation. I E I used T. I started the podcast with one guyand he said okay. Well, when are we going to sit down and write the introand like what the fuck you talking about right, the intro we're justtalking it's like Goh. No, we got to like write something out, I'm like no,not at no, we don't at all yeah. It will drive me! No! Thank you. When Imake an episode you see I type Pi say like like I'll be like autistic. Peopleneed structure and that stuff I'll make a statement. Then I gos so say that andmove ont. So, like Odsas many structure, for these reasons, one one they bla toBlah Blah three bock like they need structure of one Blah Blah Blah, butthis is why Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Yep. You need some freedom tolike be yourself within the confence of the structure, Esare a lot harder forme, but I'm learning to get more structure with those. But what I woultrying to do with interviews is, I always try my best to do a flellol upfollow up question. It's like I is original ursels like. So how did youbecome the Mandr at our school and but did that help you in any way?You know yeah thenthat's, a good way to do it on the other side of themicrophone. Did you feel any apprehension about coming on a podcastlike this, where I did not have any questions Slo like if I would havegiven you questions in advance? Would that have been helpful or is it fine?This way? Oh it', it's good either way we're prety laid back. I don't care,but I enjoy those honestly a lot more because we could talk about what wewant. You get to know and's more personal. You know yeah right and Ididn't want to go and withan agenda, because I am a truly curious person. Ijust wanted to see like whatever you say I want to like dig deeper into thatthing. You know yeah yeah, very cool. What do you havehobbies outside of podcasting like what keeps you busy? What fills yourstructure during the day aside from podcasting the HEY fase forse yeah?Well, that's just plus that works you out that like will drain you physicallyafter all day, Tas right but winter. It's a lot harder to get drained, but...

Wyou Lik me on do line in the winter,we're prettylaid back in the litter, but I'm in Rece, and I love e Skapebreams. That's another thing I love to do. Who are you good? Our record is: Let's see we only escape two times mom andithough. Those things are hard. Oh yeah they're hard Mam, but they're funtotally. Do you go with the same crew of people like a same group of friends sometimes, but we like to mix it up.Sometimes just it's me Li, my mother Aren'. I Nice, though those are fun.Anybody that hasn't been to an escaperoom has to try the they got. TryThey gotto try one. At least I mean yeah, ah because it's really trippyfeeling like Oh man, because it really feels like you got to escape. Oh, itdefinitely does yeah. It's that feeling like in. If you've ever done, laser tagin one of those indoor laser tag places, it gets your Adrenalin pumping as ifyou were really being shot at exactly that's, then that's why I ling. That's sostructured too. I mean and the rooms. Oh, my goodness, you know you kind ofwant to like be in the room. You want to have an UN underground dudge in yourroom, yeah and they're, so thoroughly decorated and full of stuff, I'm likeWhoa, even if it's not the stuff that I need to get out of the room, I'm justcurious. Looking at all thi stuff, I am too man, oh, that yets mom yeah.That would be fun. It would be fun to have the kind of money to create yourown escaperoom company. Oh, that Wu be fun OI. Thank you that for a job everyday that would be my dream job right. There, yeah wouldnt, it be fun like allkind of gadgets and just weird stuff and story lines that you could developand then so another hobby, I guess I could talk about t is I enjoy. I travelanother potential careers not really like totravel the world. That's my eyes kind of fun, an be fun but kind of bland atthe same time, which is odd, but I want to help people find their destinationslike if you're going to come to Bloomington Anyad, I would type wallwould be fun and what fun things an Politin Andat and let's Theye, neverbeen a Boloomi ten, but I find some. I never heard I've been bloomming. Oh mygoodness to me, that's extremely fun and a great time for me honestly whothat does sound fun. I think one of my dreams is along those lines, whereas Iwould like to have a podcast where I drive around in one of those fancy:Sprintzer vans with the podcast studio and a bed in the kitchen and just getto thet, get to the new town and like okay. Here I am what's there to do. Ohthat would be. That would be a good idea. Actually it would be a black onit would have just the structure I need. It would give me the freedom, I love totravel around and then somehow eventually come back home and park thevand and do some podcast editing, but you could do it all from the road Ithink could just require a quite a bit of money to buy the VA that I wouldlike Reyou sleep in a hotels. I mean cost Lo money, but e ifyeah yeah, theyuan do Doin, I stopping you. I G you it myself I', not that rich, but EYVgot the money. Do It yeah that would be fun. I've seen one of my favoriteyoutube channels is hobos that hop on trains and ride trains illegally acrossAmerica. It's amazing, not regular people, trains, just youknow, cargo draiins and they ride for free all acrossAmerica. Just the video tape with the youtube a with their gopros, it'sfascinating and yeah. I mean that would be a good time. So Dude is there anything I could do tohelp. You promote your podcast, I'm obviously I'm going to promote thisepisode and talk about it and stuff. Like that. I got you so if you want tofind me more after you learn about me, you can find me on Pond Bean Youtube.Spotify apple, podcast, Soum, clonts, that sure Linkdon, all the good ones and that's autism,rocks and Rolescom will probably lead you to any of those links anyway rightit does all the important ones...

Nice. And what do you look forward tothe next several podcast of yours, like by the time this one I'll probably putthis one out tonight so late February? Do you have some idea of what kind ofguest you would like coming up on your show? That's my mom's job, my editors job, soI'm pretty chill with whoever, but I got a lot of ideas o that you must tunein in the future. You got a tune in to find out. Yes, Sir Love it man well sayy appreciate you do hat. I look forward to getting some feedback from ouraudience on your appearance here and you're always welcome to come back. Ifyou've got something more to talk about an I'm sure you always do wat me tat.Give me a Holler, I'm available man. I will do that and like I sa, I wastelling your mom. I normally don't have guests, because they're just the painin the ass but you're not a pain in the ass at all, so it was funny. Gguys TeChat Don with somebody once in a while Eright man we'll enjoy the rest of youweekend, and I look forward to talking to you I'll share this link with you.When I'm finished I edigame and check it opt for someing all right. Thank you again. You have agood day now, Fak Sam, I talk to you Sonbo Bybye oand. Now, back to the wall.

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