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Episode · 1 year ago

Conversing with Sam/ From Autism Rocks and Rolls/ A Podcast For Us


Special thanks to Wellspring Pain Solutions in Bloomington, Indiana for supporting my guest's show, Autism Rocks and Rolls. This episode of Emo Dojo features the host of Autism Rocks and Rolls, Sam and his production partner (and mom) Gina. Please share with your social networks. Visit for more info about Sam. Email for any other stuff. 

Welcome back to the mighty emoo Joe. I'll be johnny motions. You be you. Let's go. So today's episode features Sam from autism rocks and rolls podcast and his mom production teammate, Gina. I met them on Pottits facebook group and you know well, typically I don't like having guests because it's just a lot of work. It's a lot of work tracking them down and I don't have a team of people to organize that and people are generally flakey and most people who want to be a guest are not the people I want to have as guests and I don't like chasing guests otherwise, like I want guess that I'm interested in. You might recall the transcranial direct current stimulation device I use. Well, I've I got that because I was watching the TV show and I saw a guy on the TV show that made it and I said I'm going to call him, because I don't don't really pay attention to boundaries like I should. So when I see a guest and no matter how appropriate or inappropriate, I'm like yeah, I want that guests, and then when I can't get the guests, I'm like, yeah, fuck it, I don't want any guests. So with Sam, he's had a cool podcast autism rocks and rolls, and what's especially cool about his podcast is that he has helped, he's got his mom and they also have sponsors like wellspring pain management. That's freaking cool. So they're not my sponsor, but I'll plug them just because there's a business out there that's putting their money straight back into the community by way of supporting a podcast and I think that's freaking great. So yeah, I was one of these guys like the brains apperthing. That's one guy I wanted as a podcast guest, and I think Mr Ken may still come on the show. He hasn't said No. I just haven't had time to sync up with him as I'd like to. We email back and forth a couple of times. But the other guy. So there's a commercial for Pepto Bismo Bismol, whatever it's called, the pink stuff for upset stomach, and there's a dude on that commercial that I want to interview. In the commercial there's a song, a little commercial jingle, and it goes a little something like this. When you have Nausa hardre in the gestures, it's the tire right. I want to talk to the diarrhea guy. This guy tired. So, like I tracked him down and I want I sent email to his publicists, like I want to interview your guy for my podcast, but of course I don't hear back from people like that. Why not? Like what, Dude, I want to ask him. So it turns out that guy, the diarrhea guy, is a pretty well known Canadian actor in Canada and you know, stage and screen and that sort of thing, but he gets famous for the Fucking Dia. I love it and I want to interfeme about that. Like how is it when you get famous for a thing that you dislike most? That of all the things you do in your career, what's it like being notorious or famous whatever for the thing you lie liked the least? Like Alec Guinness, Sir Alec Ginness from the Star Wars. Apparently he hated being known as Obi Wan Kenobi. Well, he could have been known as the diarrhea guys anyway. That's why I don't chase guest I have a hard time finding people I actually want to talk to, so return my emails. However, in the case of Sam from autism rocks and rolls.

His mom helps him. She actually replied to an email that I sent her because she was posting some things that sounded interesting in a facebook group. So see, that's as easy as it is. So let's just jump into it. There is no structure here. It's just US having a casual conversation. There was no agenda and I just like his company and I love that the the fact that Gina showed up to support him when he stepped away from the mic made things flow really smoothly and kind of gave a cool representation of what it's like to both produce podcast and beyond the spectrum. So I hope you enjoy and I'll see you in a few days, or you'll hear from me in a few days. Yeah, help. So we have a well spring pain solutions in Bloomington, Indiana. There are big, big supporter and they are just a hundred percent on board with autism. Rocks and rolls. They changed the the outfits that they wear and all of their doctors offices to SAM's t shirt. They have created pins, they have it. What did they do? Are they a paint company and, if so, what's it have to do with doctors? It's a pain pain o pay like pain medicine, that POW medicine. But okay, I guess. Yeah, like got a batch all he'll give a nerve massage or something that. They are a big company in Indiana. Gotch like a therapy place where you go to get therapy, physical their and massage and that sort of stuff. Yeah, they have just really have to. You know, they're believing and say M and with what he's doing in his mission and this day, are just wonderful, wonderful people. How did you come to meet those folks that? Did somebody reach out to you guys, or do you reach out to the local community? How that goes this one? I mean I have reached out to some of the sponsors, because we have a three big sponsors right now and then we have some small ones, and two out of the three sponsors I did reach out to, just from knowing some people that this first big sponsor, our main sponsor, did approached us. So that happened. But we also want to thank commercial service in Bloomington, Indiana for donating a rather great something, not a huge amount, but some money for Sam to buy some APPS. That one nice star his podcast APPs Yep, software. Yeah, UH, as it adds from it's sorry, Nope, APPs. And then we also want to think, what does commercial services do? That's kind of a vague name. Yeah, deserve more props than their name can convey by its absolutely. They've been in business for over, I think, I think like fifty years. It's a family on company, but they are heating and air conditioning place. Oh great, that one. That's a high demand right now. For sure. Absolutely. And then we have a perfection auto glass that also has several several locations in fishers. Want to say month see Bloomington, Indiana, and they have really jumped on board and are helping Sam. And then we have do you good? What's the what do you think the key is to that? Like, Dude, you think they're employees or the owners or whatnot? Have a kids on the spectrum or how do you think your message resonated so well with them? Well, I think it's a combination, a kind of dealing with the sponsors and, like, you know, figuring out marketing and things like that. I don't I'm not trained in marketing. Your training, yea working I'm an educator. Yeah, over the last two or three years I'd like really educated myself. I mean I've built several websites for Salem and just really taught myself to do it. But as far as like, I think, I think there's a lot of things, but the ones, the couple things that come to my mind is one, Sam has a powerful mission and I think that when that mission is put out there and and...

...people see like how serious he is, he is about this and how serious I am about it as his mother, I think that mission is so extremely powerful. When a company here sees a he's a young man that has had definite struggles throughout his life because he's on the autism spectrum, I think. So I was like, you can stand a hundred percent. You might be able to, because you're saying I expect you know that naptism is is probably the most fascinating. I just call it a condition. It's just a state, because some people benefit when they say I have a disability, and then they're able to get relief through government subsidies and things like that. So I'm like great. However, you can find relief if you want to call it a disability. Cool if you like. I consider it more of an asset, almost a secret weapon because I don't tell many people. Like I use a fake name for the TV for this show, and you know all these things. So, but in my real life I keep it on the downlow. But when I know I need to pull from that reserve, from the focus, from the creativity, sometimes I have to call in sick, I got food poisoning. But what I'm really doing, I'm at home just being me, figuring out like how to rule the world and my little grand plans. So, but I think you guys probably present really a winning team too. It's nice to back winners, people that are actually doing it. Yeah, that's what I was going to say is this message is coming out very powerfully and and then, I think once people think, oh my gosh, you know, you have this kid who's really passion about this, and then they find out how many followers he's had, he has, and then they find out the big names that's been on a show, and then they find out the demographics and they find out how many they find out all this information and then I think they think, how can our company benefit from this? And I really do think that's that's that's the kind of like the motive. But I think what gets them pulled in and gets them interested. Is just the power of of what he's doing, the power of Sam. Absolutely, absolutely, really what I think. And it does boil down to sometimes will really all the time, who you know and who you can talk to if you have an idea. YEA, and that's that's been a lot of the things as I think, I wonder, this person knows this person and if I say this to them, yeah, it's risky. Right, you have to open up and tell people things you don't necessarily want to like reveal to get to the next step towards the thing you want to achieve, and you can get challenging. So I appreciated, though I don't care, honestly, with how it turns out. I am really to like it be able to that's a that's and I'm curious and I don't want to. I don't want to be disrespectful in any way. I mean, I'm Sam and I are the least disrespectful people you'll ever meet in your life. Debatable, it was he's having a teenage moment or her being blunt, but then, but my question to you is, do you feel like we live in a world and in a society where there are times and situations where you have to conceal the fact that you have autism, or do you feel comfortable just kind of letting everybody know that and embracing that, or, like, what's your I'm just curious what's you're feeling on that. I feel it's highly important that people know others with any kind of conditions. Let let the mass market know that we exist and we're effectively normal. Right aside from our label, we're normal. I think that that's so critical. Conversely, though, I've feel that personally, I've been divorced and fired a number of times once my conditions have been revealed, and I think that those have been used as the quote unquote reasons for those problems in my life. So yeah, I definitely feel maybe it...

...just my age on like fifty some generation x, and back in the day our parents took us to the doctor and if they said, Oh, I think he's got autism, well that meant I think your kids retarded, and I'm like what? So my mom and dad, nobody like followed up on that because they were like, Whoa, he's in the gifted program at school, so he's definitely not that. So they didn't have a way to deal with it, so they just put it aside. So, yeah, I deal with a lot of stigma in general, which is why, like, I perform under johnny motions instead of my actual name, things like that. Yeah, yeah, and I we see it like we see that, that stigma, I mean. But but I think each generation, like it's Sam's a different generation, right, he's the next after us. Absolutely, and in it makes a world of a difference. Yeah, I feel like that's where his that's where his mission is. Yeah, to help people understand. Look, they have autism. I there. There has been times, and not a not a lot, but there have been times when people have talked to me about saying, and I don't even remember it, like the foundation of the conversation was, but it was almost like, Oh, Sam has autism, I'm really sorry, like I'm sorry, right, and my come on. Yeah, and my response a lot of times has been, well, wait a minute, he has autism. What do you have? Are you perfect? Oh, this is the that's a whole nother podcast. Right there, people always looking, especially for those of us who have been diagnosed with something or treated or are working our problems out right. If we share those with other people who never go to a therapist or any doctors. They tend to use that against us, like Oh, well, they're sick, they're they're broken. I'm like no, no, I'm just acknowledging my existence, like I'm acknowledging my problems instead of hiding them. Yeah, but I don't even know, like as far like you said the word normal, that's not a word at our house. I don't believe in that. I don't believe. No, honestly, I think we are normal. I mean you know what I mean, like we fit into normal. Now there's no normal body. Yeah, why, that's where anything like. So I think everything is so very it's not heroic, it's normal. Yeah, it's yeah, Oh, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, now that the thing you're just talking about too. That'll that brings me to a thing I think about a lot is the depiction of neurotypicals in the media. Are there any programs that you see autism represented well, or any that make you cringe especially hard? I don't really. There was a young man, and I of course would not say his name because he's pretty well known. He runs, you know, some autism awareness things and he himself is on the spectrum. So I would never tell him no, you can't think like that, like I would never ever do that. But I just he's very, very offended by the autism puzzle piece and he was, I going to do some work with this and decided not to because because of the puzzle piece. The puzzle piece interesting. You know, I'm not willing this. That would be completely up to say. I'm whether he wanted to change that and he and I had a conversation with Sam and I said I this is my opinion, but my opinion is everybody to their own. If the puzzle piece offends him because of, you know, past history with the puzzle piece, that's fine. But I can look at that puzzle piece and a different way. I feel like with that puzzle piece, the floating it's it's a puzzle pieces and everybody's brain and those puzzle pieces put to are put together to make you, and so I'm not offended by the puzzle piece and I just I don't take much offense to anything because everybody views things differently and that's okay. That's yeah, it is interesting, especially doing like a podcast for the mental health field, for...

...example. It's really hard to get guessed, because some of them are actually sick that time, that moment went. I need them on the on the microphone. They're have an episode. That's hard enough to do, to deal with. And so there's so this could goes so deep with the threads and my mind is starting to get boggled. I have like I'm almost to the point where I'm going to start wearing blindfold over my eyes when I do this. No, I know, I just it's just such a you know, with Sam's podcast, a lot of people are like, well, why do you do this? Like you said, what is your mission? It's that. It's that is to take that stigma off of when people look at Sam. Yes, he has autism. It's brain wiring. When he was in my womb, that is how his brain wired, just like when I was in my mother's room womb. That's not her room, her womb. This is how my brain wire and that's it. That's all it is. I feel like, let's just say they have autism, just like I have a math disability. Yeah, you don't do a math at all, so I guess what. Oh, Hey, that that brings it up. Before I forget this. Do you prefer terms like I have autism, to I am Autistic, is there? Do have a do you discern between the two? Yeah, and now what I do like, though, and I find myself doing this too, but for I always think, I like, I'm not offended by it if someone says an autistic person. I mean I'm not, it just happens. But I prefer for people to say, or I say, a person with autism, because there a person first. Yeah, puzzle piece. Yeah, it's funny because people bring it up often, because I like when I'm on social media, I'm kind of me and I don't have a filter, especially when I can talk from behind my little icon, my little logo, and people give me statics sometimes about saying don't say they are autistics, say they have autism, and I'm like that's cool, I'll go with that. And then I started extending that to other things. I'm like, oh, he's not fat, he has fat. So I'm like that's cool, I'm all work with that. So it's factual right. But Anyway, I get back to the puzzle piece. So you're aware of the band Iron Maiden Sam. Yeah, but I don't check them out that much. I'll be okay. They their iconic, mostly fur their obviously their music, but their arts work. So I ran into the artist who has done all of their they have a character named Eddie, is a mascot, is like a decaying corpse face that everyone loves and he's been on their albums since the very first album and is drawn by a guy named Derek Riggs. So I was at a comic con and it ran into Derek Riggs and he had this most amazing shirt. I'm like where did what is what's that all about? He said I drew this shirt for an autism fundraiser and I'm like, I gotta have it. So his shirt was it was Badass, Dude. It was this Rotting Corpse Eddie skull, you know, mascot where at the top of his head is sliced off, like alluding to a previous album cover, but his brain was puzzle pieces floating out of his brain turning into butterflies. That's kind's cool because there's both creepy and hard rock and a perfect attribution to that. So creepy but so the same time. I'll try to find a picture of it's not it's not widely released and I'm trying to get ahold of the guys, so I can get maybe a print of it, but I do have the teaser. I'm like, well, that's I think it's a creepy but cool at the same time, and I think that creepy cool. Creepy right, exactly, creepy cool. I love creepy cool. Being an English teacher, though, like I can think of so much symbolism and just you know, like if it starts as a puzzle piece but then it comes out as a butterfly, that means it's that means it's it came to fruition, like it evolved. Yeah, evolved and involved like from a cocoon.

So now let's let's spread our wings and let's let them fly, like let's let people fly, let's let people do absolutely are wonderful things. Yeah, I saw. Have you seen? There's an interesting movie, one of the Predator aliens. Predator aliens, one of those kind of sci fi one of those creatures, resident alien. No, no, it was a from an old like s s thing and they redid a movie about five years ago. It was a Lim yeah, I remember. Yeah, and the thing comes to earth and of course, at the end of the movie The autistic kid saves the day because he was the only one smart enough to understand alien gibberish. That was such a great twist at the end. Oh, yeah, that it was. It's been I've seen that the old alien movies, but not not anyway. Any movie that ends up with like the person that the world thought was disabled saving the day, those are my favorite. Yes, that awesome. That's yeah, absolutely, because, because I feel like, with you guys, you know, doing your podcast and having conversations and making people think and really putting it out there that like, look, this stigma that's been around for a long time, I'm going to be one of the few people, the people that changes this. Yeah, and I'm going to work at that. And so right now, in this second, you're both you're both trying, you're both changing the world. It's like it's just that's what's happening, and so it is. It's just a beautiful thing. It's interesting. I don't think of it that way, but I've been beat up and smashed around in life, so I don't really think anything I do is important. But when you frame it that way, probably because there are a lot of people that are going to hear this, yeah, I think beaten up to, mentally and physically both. I think well from yeah, yeah, but for sure a decision. I was just going to swipe the pieces up, I guess. Sweep, sweep the pieces up and change myself. Then I did. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I did. But it comes and goes, because I also have depression problems. Not sure where they stem from, but you know, I don't stigmatize myself for that either. But beam feeling like you don't fit in most of your life and never having really a proper diagnosis until much later in life, it just just wires you a different way to see the bad first, and I always have to be really conscious not to dwell there right, yeah, there's so working on that. I dwell. Yeah, and every day sometimes. And bad is so much more powerful than good that it's this critical. We were talking about grit and perseverance earlier, because we can't eliminate all the bad in life, and especially when we're super sensitive the way we are like I'm offended most things. I became a sign maker and a graphic designer when I was young because I thought the world was ugly. I'd go out in the world like God, why are these signs so ugly? How come this graphics are so bad? So that's kind of how I approach everything. So when I think like HMM, how come no one's telling my story? Oh wait, that's my job. As you get a mic, write you. And that's what I was going to say. It makes me so sad to hear you both say you know, like you know, like what you just said really resonated with me, like well, I don't feel like what I do is, you know, important and sometimes, and I feel like that too, like trying to hold down a fulltime job and you know, it's just a different it's just a well mindset. I get it, because it's okay, but I but that makes me really sad because I feel like what both of you are doing is is, is more powerful than anything I'm doing. Yeah, well, thank first of all, when you just got to say something now, please. Yeah, okay, okay, well, thank you first of all. Second I mean, well, you put this way equation. We all know that four years is less than fifteen. Obviously, when you've been antisocial...

...and pushed off to the Cipher fifteen years, that's going to resonate with you. Yeah, yeah, I'm still trying not to dwaw on it, but there's at least one moment of a day where I can say, if it only could have been sooner. Oh right, yeah, like what if? What if I could have had those years back? But you know, Sam, honestly, even though I'm like your parentage, or maybe older, I'm not sure, the feelings don't go away, that feeling we have of not fitting in and wishing we had some of that time back. But over time it kind of develops almost like a scar tissue to where you just get tough about it and keep looking forward. So I think that's cool and you seem to have that attitude already, so that's great. Mental Scars, not Don Physical Scars. That a lot of mental scars. Yeah, it's funny and even though there's things in life that you think, well, I'm never going to let that happen when I grow up and have kids, and sure enough the same exact things that I swore I would never let happen to my family happened. So it's just yeah, it's sometimes it's really maddening, especially when you think a lot. Like everyone tells me, I overthink, two sensitive you know. So I just need a way to get that out on my soul and since I'm not really a churchy kind of person, I figured, Hey, I'll just talking to a mic and like a podcast confessional. Yeah, that's this. That's one of the benefits. Is therapetic. That's why I think I join it. So therapy. Honestly, you know, if you want a TV shows, I it's kind of interesting. I watch I don't know why, but I watching a lot of to rely on shed, mainly because of Corona, but I got interesting detective show, homicide hunter, and the last episode. Actually watching last episode long and tell you that. But Anyway, the last episode was he he's been doing a lot. I think I saw it's joke Kenda. He solved like over eight like two hundred ninet two cases by having an eight percent. Eight percent of Casey couldn't solve. One of his episodes was he was the last one. He said that TV show was his therapy because he didn't want to tell his wife or kids some of the stuff he managed that. Yeah, I don't want to tell using the stuff that I had a deal with. Yeah, I mean some said I don't. I'm just trying to say you from that hurt as a mother right. So that's why I did this right, right, and I know that, like I say, Ima's always been really good about talking to me, but I know what. He knows how protective I am and he probably doesn't want me to go to jail, but now you can go. John came about that and I know that, but I just so it's just so powerful, like what what you guys are doing and and I can see how it would be therapy. I mean it's extraordinary. Yeah, you get a lot of bullet that you probably tell you all about. This tis you crowd came home and cried. You quite an episode on you getting bullied. I could do. I mean I'm forty five, so I am, you know, middle aged, and when I was in I started gaining weight when I was in fourth grade and just have struggled with my life forever, like it's never going to go away. Like I'm definitely am healthier than I have been a long time, but I guess, yeah, it does leave scars and I would yeah, like Corp like horror to this day. And Yeah, so five years old and I would say I was thirty two or thirty three when I finally realized, I mean I was a mother of like an eight year old. I finally realized I did not have the problem. The people that were being mean to me and torturing me they had the problem. I was a grown woman and it took that long for me to realize they were right. Like yeah, just to realize it, and then how much longer to internalize it, to believe that they weren't right? That's even a longer hustle. It will and it and it changed me. Like same said,... I'm, yeah, very defensive person. I've I've had a therapist before and he said here's so I think that happening. A lot of it is you have a life coach. We both do. We have a life coach now, but my therapist want time for several years ago, said it's almost like you're just ready to pounce, because it's almost like I'm going to get you before you get me, because they got me, they got me for a lot of years and I just am always ready. You know, yeah, somebody. So that's a problem. I've suffered from eating disorders because of my way and it all stems from so, yeah, I know that completely, completely get what you guys are saying, but on a different I can't completely get it because I'm not on the spectrum. Yeah, I don't say that. I mean I fully under get it, but I always I've tried, don't say that a Ioways I can relate. You said you have like you said that you have analyzed. Believe me, I can understand. It's that's hard. But I don't try to say see, it slipped again, I can understand it did again. I always trying to say I can relate, I can never understand or analyzing or gender is she's always say I can relate because it because a lot of people with like gender issues have the same problems as autistic people. But I try not say, you know, I understand what you're going through. Oh, that's the worst. I try. I say I can relate, though, to your anxiety over because I hang Zie over Blah, Blah Blah. Or you can try to understand. Yeah, or I hear you a lot of times people just wanted to be heard. If you tell him, I hear you right. It sounds a little cliche and generic, but it often works. Like you said, if you don't know the right words, for sure, solutely. Yeah, I got all these questions that what we could. We're bouncing around the correction. So now I'm like I'm just going like yeah, we've covered that. Would do this. Just a little bit of editing there. That's good. That's a fun well, the fun part I like listening to you talk too, because I'm like, I keep coming up with these new questions I want to ask. That's a man. Actually hold myself back from interrupting, mostly because normally I interrupt a lot and my friends get on me. That's what I'm doing, still like to this day. Yeah, but then when I don't interrupt and I let others talk, I lose my thought. I'm like, Oh now, I forgot what was going to ask, that it was really important my I think it's kind of the same way, except I don't lose the thought, I just don't get the chance. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to tell these people snarize, I'm not getting this chance. Yeah, right, get it out there. Yeah, he's I think that's kind of where some of the communication issues have come with Sam, like from time to time, he's been an elementary school all the way kind of to high school. He would always tell me and I saw it. I mean I was. I was. I was his English teacher and and I was in the same school system, still in you know that he's in. And so I would see people, not necessarily being mean to Sam, but not not asking him to join. They shunned them. Oh Yeah, did not. It's the worst. Yes, and so, yeah, like, Oh my God, just at least the give it the get. He probably at some point tried to enter the conversation. In their mind it was quirky. It was Oh yeah, weird, it's me. They were like, okay, we're gonna on to do with that. So that Jip followed him and that broke my heart. Like that's what I saw, as I remember like exactly those visions, like the very moment that I got picked last for kickball or the very moment that I got last pick for the square dancing in fourth grade. Mean, I just all those things and man, if someone just would have told me I had a different condition, I would understand. But I grew up most of my life thinking I was just freaking weird, and I'm like what, I don't understand. What does that even mean? Wh I'm just weird? How? What? So it's troubling. The flip side. Yeah, and I can. I don't know. I think weird's good. I well, but back then they was like weird, like no, we don't like you, you're weird in a dicky way. And I'm..., well, I get I get that you're saying that because everybody's calls me that, but I don't understand why you think I'm weird. I'm not trying to say I'm trying to get people to learness off, because I'm not gonna lie. We are kind of we're yeah, we're different than they are, that's for sure, but who cares? But right, exactly, in the grand scheme of things, that's a good thing. Right, yeah, but on the flip side of that, Yep, I'm weird. Oh Heck, yeah, you're really weird. You try either shoot dancy, break your back? Yeah, well, it's yeah, and it takes a truly weird person to hang out with normal folks like us. So, yeah, exactly. That is the best thing I've heard you say, that it takes weird people to hang out with normal people like you guys, but there's no normal. Well, I see what. I see what you're thinking. Now we're throwing around labels. I'm going to steal the normal one while no one's looking. What if, if, just let's just go out on a laying here and say if there was a word normal, let's just say that for just a second, that you thought that. Nope, not doing it. But I mean, just for example Sake, what if you guys were considered normal and I wasn't? Why not? I think that's the way it used to be. Yeah, I think the days of the Greeks and people in they used to wear robes and stand on the stairs of the Acropolis. I think we were the rulers, I think I think people that think commonly were the commoners and I think we ruled stuff. I completely and you know, these people that have brain wiring, that Matt, that you know, you guys like fall on the spectrum that they call autism. People in Wall Street, people in Silicone Valley, people that work for Amazon, I guarantee you, some of the richest richest people in the world, the most successful people because of how they think, our own spectrum. Guarantee it. Oh, I can get you too, Yep. But also, conversely, some are craven sociopaths as well. Absolutely, I think it just takes an intense kind of person to be really successful. Whether you're intensely like us, think a lot, think oddly, think differently, or if you're intensely like just a sociopath and don't care about other humans, you can climb on top of humans to get propped up. I count comes with that, with might determination. You don't understand how to determine to get something done. I always say, like I say I'm gonna do it, I'm doing it here. You're not stopping me. I say I'm going to leave this house tomorrow. I'm leaving the House that, Dude. That's why I'm still doing this Goddamn podcasting thing. No offense to by Jesus believers, but I told people I was going to like be famous one day and I can't let it go. I just about as period, and look what happened. Right. And I'm and when people say, Oh, what about that one thing you're going to do, I'm like, yeah, I'm fucking still working on dude. That's why I'm so busy. I'm like working on that thing I promised I would do in third grade. I think I swore I would do in eleventh grade. Yeah, that's how I am too. I think probably we're saying really gets it from my husband and I both are like very determine people and when we start something, it's from you hard to let it go. So that's great. Well, Hey, I'm gonna I'M gonna have to hop off here into a little bit of work, but I'm going to let you guys count talking whatever you want to do. But he was very, very yeah, talk to you. Yeah, thanks for joining us. You know, I appreciate the the support you give Sam, especially because not all of us have a support team and you're a great cheerlead form. So I appreciate that and thanks for doing all a lot of the hard work that we just don't like to do, like reaching out to the public and weird stuff like that. That makes a lot because we wouldn't have hooked up like Sam and I wouldn't be talking right now if you weren't out there hustling. So thank you. Yeah, you're very welcome and if SAM doesn't get this in, I want to one more time say you know, thinks all of our sponsors. But secondly I will I want to say his website, www and rollscom has everything on it to where people can follow him and jump on his services and merchandise and all that stuff. So, yeah, can you read a list of your sponsors real quick, just one more time so we can capsulate it. So we have wellspring pain solutions, perfection, auto glass, perfection auto glass, a lot.

Forty five. So, forty five, commercial service, Commercial Service, the Green County General Hospital in Linton, Indiana. Oh, there's more, Steve Miller, CPA tax service. That's important. Oh Yeah, here we go, Bell's. Bell's built automotive in Salisbury Indiana. Life paths counseling in Bloomington Indiana. Is have a lot of sponsors. Good job, I think we got him. Yeah, that's it. And he shoutouts in particular that aren't necessarily sponsors. No, not that I can I actually. Yeah, we courtney collision on one of our friends got in. Allison Callison, excuse me, got a right from drunk driving and she got really banged up. So we're trying to trying to get a go fund meet page going. Yeah, Norley Cart you said her last name was collision. That was a slip, right. Yeah, Pretty, Oh God, I was. Yeah, Nice One, Dude, nice one. I was even intentional. Right, and just to confirm, she was not the drinker, right, right, Oh God, that was that. I feel like a terrible person. Oh God, Oh, you're a great person. You just helped out a friend by promoting her go fund me page. So I'm sure once she gets to link up there, look for it on Sam's website. Intended there. That was a perfect dude, that that was the best guy, because you didn't realize it. I love it. The best thing I've ever heard. There's subtle, all right, if you get on his website to he has a page of appearances and his guest list and that's kind of cool to see. So yeah, but thank you for having me on here to you keep doing just the fabulous things you're doing and always remember that you are very, very important to this world. I appreciate that absolutely, you and Sam bonker. So we'll be in touch though. Okay, cool, I appreciate you. Thanks, I am thank you. Oh, and I guess you can talk about this side. Did a Ted talk recently. No kidding. How'd that go? That went great. Actually, a lot of other MOM's APHRAS did. One kids was about a disease that like really affected her life, well as not having should grow like grow beef and by beef vocally instead of that like a grocery store and buy like I owed in, or, you know, like a local store instead of a like a yeah, yeah, I approach, I grow. Yeah, what do you? One was about Inter beauty and then one was about bill of rights. So why it's important to us. Mom was about autism, of course, but it was about why autistic people need structure. Yeah, I agree. No, it's interesting about that too, is I really don't like authority at all, but I really love structure. And so many people confuse those two. Because if you just tell me what the plan is, dates and times, cool, I'll nail it. If you want to come in and start bossing that round, oh it's a pain in the ass. What's that? What's the first part? You said? I said, if you tell me what to do step by step, then it's a pain in the ass. Oh Yeah, don't micromanage me, don't hover, don't stick around watching me do what you just said, because I I'm an adult, I can figure out how to do it. Yeah, that so give me structure any day. I don't need I don't need authority. May Go stalk the shelves. Okay, tight, I can probably do that easily. I'll stock in my might period. I mean, Yep, that's structure. You just expect means be there. Just you my thing. Okay, Yep, great, Yep, I actually have common sense and I can stalk a shelf. And is there anything I should not stop? Anything? I need to know before we get started? Okay, cool, I'm going. So, yeah, structure, for sure. How did your performance come out? Was it? Did you feel like you were putting on a show? Oh, yeah, we had your virtual because of Covid, obviously. Yeah, but it was a good show. We had like over a hundred people show up. Wow, that's incredible. How did... feel when you were done? Did you feel like you hit all the point you meant to hit? Yeah, felt pretty good. We are good. Are Actually, here's a good thing. We are friends with Simon the Jumdar, who was a guest on my pod cast, but he's also like the like the iron chef judge for cutthroat kitchen guys grocery games. Oh Yeah, yeah, I don't know that, Dude. Yeah, I had them on because he placed for artistic charities killer, and he came on to meet, not meet me, but because he knows me more his friend, but to me, my mom's students and he he he was late because he had another event, but he hopped out the last minute and talked to the students for a little bit, even me for a little while, even though we're friends. Yeah, yeah, that's super cool. Gotta love that. Yeah, that was it was a good day that day. Honestly, does it get nerve racking? Do Are you the odd guy? Don't. I don't get nervous ass and I public speak. I think if I do or not, people think I'm an extrovert, but I really think I'm just kind of a spazzy introvert, like I like being in my own head, but I can't. I break, like I crack and some of it seeps out, like I I can relate to that. But yeah, public speaking's always in my thing. Really, you know? Yeah, you like it, Oh, I love it. It's here's the deal's Guy, was a structure to like. If I say word by word, then I hate it or it's not as fun, but you're trying to write some notes out and elaborate your way, okay, and I'm like, okay, note one, bicycle number one, note number two. You know, that's why I like about it. Yeah, I kind of do that with podcast. I hit like three points that I want to get just ahead of time in my research. I'm three things I'm really curious about, and then the rest I kind of let go. I like a natural conversation. I used to. I started the podcast with one guy and he said, okay, well, when are we going to sit down? and I write the INTRO. I'm like, what the fuck you talking about? Write the INTRO. We're just talking so I could know we got to like write something out. I'm like no, not at no, we don't at all. Yeah, we'll drive me nut. Thing too, when I make an episode, you see, I I type, I say like like I'll be like autistic people need structure and that stuff. I'll make a statement. Then I do say that in move lots on, like owes many structure. For these reasons. Why one want they blah to Blah Blah three blocks, like they need structure of one Blah Blah Blah. But this is why blah blah, blah, blah, Blah Blah Blah. Yep, you need some freedom to like be yourself within the confines of the structure. Yes, these are a lot harder for me, but I've learning to get more structure with those. But while I was trying to do with interviews is I always try my best to do a follow up, follow up question. It's like I'd do this original us. So it's like, so how did you become the manage at our school? And but did that help you in any way? You know, yeah, that's a good way to do it on the other side of the microphone. Did you feel any apprehension about coming on a podcast like this where I did not have any questions? So, like, if I would have given you questions in advance, would that have been helpful? Or is it fun this way? No, it's it's good either way. We're pretty laid back. I don't care. But I enjoy those, honestly, a lot more because we can talk about what we want. You get to know them and more personal, you know. Yeah, right, and I didn't want to go in with an agenda because I am a truly curious person. I just wanted to see, like, whatever you say, I want to like dig deeper into that thing. You know. Yeah, yeah, very cool. What do you have hobbies outside of podcasting, like what keeps you busy, what fills your structure during the day, aside from podcasting the Hey farcel horse. Yeah, well, that's just plus. That works you out. That like will drain you physically after all day. Yet best great, but where it's a lot harder to...

...get drained. But when you like me, I'll do a lot in the winter. Were pretty laid back in the winter. But I mean, reese and I love escape rooms. That's another thing I love to do. Who Are you? Good? Our record is, let's see, we only escape two times, mom and I though those things are hard. Oh yeah, they're hard, Ma'am at. They're fun, totally do. You go with the same crew of people, like a same group of friends sometimes, but we like to mix it up sometimes just it's mainly my mother and I nice. Those are fun. Anybody that hasn't been to an escape room has to try the all they got right, they got try one at least. I mean yeah, yeah, because it's really trippy feeling like, Oh man, because it really feels like you got to escape. So it definitely does. Yeah, it's that feeling like in if you've ever done laser tag in one of those indoor laser tag places, it gets your adrenaline pumping as if you were really being shot at. Exactly. That's then. That's why I it's so structure to I mean and the rooms, oh my goodness, you know, you kind of want to like be in the room. You want to have an hungry underground dungeon your room. Yeah, and if they're so thoroughly decorated and full of stuff, I'm like, Whoa, even if it's not the stuff that I need to get out of the room, I'm just curious looking at all this stuff. I am too man. Oh, that that's mom. Yeah, that would be fun. It would be fun to have the kind of money to create your own Escape Room Company. You. Oh, no, be fun. Oh, I thank you. That for a job every day. That would be my dream job right there. Yeah, would it be fun? Like all kind of gadgets and just weird stuff and storylines that you could develop. And then saw another hobby. I guess I could talk about it, as I'm enjoy a travel another on potential careers. Not really like to travel the world. That's my eyes, kind of fun and be fun but kind of bland at the same time, which is odd. But I want to help people find their destinations, like if you're going to come to Bloomington Anyada. I would tip what would be fun and what fun things in Blueton. Aniata and let's they never been a blooming ten, but I find some I never heard I've been blooming oh my goodness, to me that's extremely fun and a great time for me. Honestly, who that does sound fun. I think one of my dreams is along those lines, whereas I would like to have a podcast where I drive around in one of those fancy sprinter vans with the podcast studio and a bed in the kitchen and just get to the new town and like, okay, here I am, what's there to do? All that would be. That would be a good idea. Actually, it would be a black pot. It would have just the structure I need. It would give me the freedom I love to travel around and then somehow eventually come back home and park the van and do some podcast editing. But you could do it all from the road. I think. Could just require a quite a bit of money to buy the van that I would like. Fred, you sleep in a hotels. I mean cost a lot of money, but hey, if it yeah, you and what or do do it. I stopping you. I couldn't do it myself. I'm not that branch, but they've got the money do it. Yeah, that would be fun. I've seen that. One of my favorite youtube channels is hobos that hop on trains and ride trains illegally across America. It's amazing. Not Regular people trains, just you know, cargo trains and they ride for free all across America just the video tape with the Youtube can't with their go pros. It's fascinating and yeah, I mean that would be a good time. I have me. So, Dude, is there anything I could do to help you promote your podcast? I'm obviously I'm going to promote this episode and talk about it and stuff like that. I got you. So if you want to find me more fter you learn about me, you can find me on pod being, Youtube, spotify, apple, podcast, soundclouds. That sure linkedin all the good ones, and that's autism. Rocks and Rollscom will probably lead you to any of those links anyway. Right, it does all the important ones. Nice and what do you look forward to the... several podcast of yours? Like by the time this one? I'll probably put this one out tonight, so late February. Do you have some idea of what kind of guests you would like coming up on your show? That's my mom Shob, my editor's job, so I'm pretty show with whoever, but I got a lot of ideas. All that you must tune in in the future. You gotta tune in to find out. Yes, sir, love it, man, will say, I'm I appreciate you, dude. I look forward to getting some feedback from our audience on your appearance here, and you're always welcome to come back if you've got something more to talk about, and I'm sure you always do. What me back back in the Holler. I'm available, man. I will do that and, like I said, I was telling your mom I normally don't have guests because they're just a pain in the ASS, but you're not a pain in the ass at all, so it was funny. Be Nice to check in with somebody once in a while. Yes, sir. All right then, we'll enjoy the rest of your weekend and I'll look forward to talking to you. I'll share this link with you when I'm finished every game and check it out yourself. All right, thank you again. You have a good day now. Thanks Sam. We'll talk to you soon, buddy, bye bye, bye bye. And now back to the wall.

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