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Anti-Psychiatry and Medical Language Models, Bipolar Style


John Emotions discusses a brief Twitter encounter with the anti-psychiatry crowd and the problems with excluding legitimate voices from the mental health conversation by limiting the way people talk, and the words they use. Recorded live from the old Psych.Media Group page on Facebook, November 2017. @BipolarStyle @JohnEmotions

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Welcome back to by polar style,the podcast for by polar people and those who love them. Join US onlineat by polar stylecom Johnny motion. Okay, now a brand start ticking. It'salso interesting. I was really angry when I first got home and thenwhen it came down here to the office, I'm still pretty angry, like,yeah, why don't I have to go to a podcast? Ridiculous,why can I just relax? And the answer is, of course, well, I can't relax, but to be having the structure over time is morerelaxing than just quitting things and trying to figure out what else to do next. So try to do the podcast with some regularity and anyway got back tothis. So here's the new thing, and this might actually be the gistof the podcast. So let me let me enter the podcast through that.Hey, welcome back to bipolar style. I'm Johnny Motions and today, thisweek, we're going to talk about wide strange world of Anti Psychiatry. Areyou ready for this? All right, so we have my facebook live streamfolks with us. If I interrupt the podcast to answer questions, I'll tryto keep that succinct and to the point. Points and for facebook live people.You can always check this out in a few days at bipolar stylecom andwe're also on itunes and stitcher and Google play and maybe spotify in a coupledays too. I heart radio, whatever, all those normal places that you findpodcast. So Anti Psychiatry? What? What is this? Okay, soI was kind of kind of tripped into this situation on twitter. Ofcourse there's a guy who's like commenting, or a Gal, I don't know. He's like me on twitter, hides behind a memes, I don't reallyknow. You know gender, but this...

...started, you know, poking questionsand then, fuck, I think he was commenting on one of these storiesI shared. Like typically in the morning when I get ready, I godownstairs and have some breakfast and look on the IPAD through flipboard. It's prettycool APP, and I subscribe to all kinds of interesting mental health news andpsychology reports and science reports and things like that, and I share those storieskind of randomly HAP hazard. They don't really give it much that I justthink they're interesting when I read them say hey, maybe, maybe you'll digit. So then I could go back and reference it later to if Iwanted to reread it. I'll just check my own stream anyway. And Aunti, psychiatry guy, replied to one of these and I was trying to replyin kinds because, well, here's the thing with psychiatry and psychology in general. So for those that are new to bipolar and mental health in general,psychiatry is the MD who prescribes the drugs. Psychology is the therapist who does talktherapy, and the two typically would work together and you use best tohave both, but if you can only have one or the other, just, you know, take what you can get anyway. So there's psychiatry,psychology and then there's people who are anti psychiatry. Now, this person inparticular was interesting because all along I had kind of aligned antipsychiatry with scientologists andthey don't believe in psychiatry or medication or anything like that. I think ifyou go to Hollywood they've got a museum there called the Psychiatric Museum of deathor something like that. It's pretty crazy, which is saying something coming from abipolar person. Anyway, they have a Psychiatry Museum of death. Thevery against it for whatever their belief system... That's fine. That's alsoanother interesting thing. So I'm not sure why the scientologist are so against psychiatry, aside from the death and the experimentation, but come on, I mean realistically, even as a patient of psychiatrists and psychologist. Honestly, yeah,of course they're humans and they don't know smarter than most of their patients anda lot of them have studied the condition less time than those of us whohave it. I've had it, so we've studied it and experienced it firsthandmuch longer than many of the people trying to treat us. I get that. That's that's fine, but at least they're curious, at least they're tryingto help, they're trying to get in there and find out what makes thehuman brain tick. They have a curiosity about psychiatry in general, like howthe mind works, the workings of the mind. So my biggest beef,apparently now that I've kind of have a day or two to contemplate it withthe antipsychiatry crowd, is the the lack of or the complete shutting down ofcuriosity, of curiosity about the brain, like if those are the only peopleat the forefront, neuroscientist, psychiatrist, psychologists if they're at the forefront,and the only folks at the forefront of figuring out mental health, then whystimy or stifle or any way obstructs that progress with that curiosity? Just thatdoesn't make sense to me. It doesn't add up and I've never heard agood argument as to why not be curious, aside from Oh it people die.Well, fucking people die every day for a lot worse reasons or alot less noble reasons. For those of you who listen to the podcast only, I do this kind of devious thing now, and I apologize for mylongtime podcast list centers, but people on facebook actually get more of more ofa show. They get the visual and they get all of the behind thescenes, because I just I stream it... on facebook and then I editout what you end up hearing as a podcast. So I don't know.I'm not trying to commit podcast users to get on facebook by any means becauseI'm not a huge fan of facebook, but hey, it's there and thiswhere everybody thinks. This the fucking town square. So as a video ofme on the town square, cool anyway. So get over on facebook, goto facebookcom groups, psych media. Oh Hey, I made it eveneasier. You can go to psych dot media. Just type that new browser, push return. You're there. Media or DOT media is a top leveldomain name, likecom, Dot Org, dotnet. Well, now they gotdot media and Psych Dot media goes right here with this video plays. That'sjust what we'll do with that. But I know that I like watching otherfolks video like UN sparkled, unpacked sparkle. I got to get it right.I was mess up people's name. Is just a little bit like adad getting the names of movies slightly wrong. Yeah, okay. So back toanti psychiatry. Well, here's here's the funny. The funny part andthe ironic part right is. Oh, I didn't really quite know what tomake of this dude, because it says I'm not a scientologists. I'm like, all right, we'll take them at his word. I'm not that beinga scientologists is any weirder than being a Christian or Jew or Muslim or whatever. I mean, everyone's got their fantasy that makes them feel better as acommunity. Fuck Yeah, okay, great, congratulations, I'm happy for you.This guy claims not to be a scientologist. Cool, he's still antipsychiatry. Like whatever happened to that dude to make him go on such a tiradeagainst curious people like you? Want to start doing a research on how manydeaths occur in psychiatric research and well,...

...basically, how many fucking guinea pigsdo they lose? Not Guinea pigs, but like human guinea pigs. Clearlypeople die taking too much Med's, take the wrong beds and killing themselves,ect therapy, frying people's brains. That I mean there's some fucked up thingsfor sure, and some of it seems, by today's standard, still archaic really, but we've got nanotechnology coming up. We've got the ethics evolved of puttingrobots in your head that can target depression, by polar mania, targetall of these chemical fluctuations and fix them. So you know, that's real,that's factual. That's something they'll be able to do sooner than later.So do we stop scientists? We're going to start burning books, of goingback to flat earth. But where? Where's the line here? So anyway, if you're having fun and you getting kind of Sassy, go on twitter. Twitter seems fine, safe enough, and just go scroll through some antipsychiatrypeople and kind of get a feel for what they're all about, because someof them are super zealot and they can't argue it all with you because they'rejust and some of them will talk to you for a little bit, kindof suck you in and make you think they're your friend and then they're likeOh, yeah, ha ha, tricked, yeah, you actually do your propsychiatrist. That a a whatever, man, what are fucking crazy people? But yeah, what really sealed the deal was when this one guy didn'treally have a response for him. So I'm like whatever fuck, I'm goingto bed. I go to bed and then the next day when I wakeup there's like eight, nine tweets that have felt like from this guy.Might have been less. Felt like twenty, but the guy just tweeted and tweetedlike Oh so you won't answer big man blow or Blah, Blah.I'm like what the fuck are you talking about anyway? So of course themanic guy fucking tweeting like a crazy person,...

...doesn't believe in taking his mad's that'sthat's how I saw that. So whatever, I'm if you find antipsychiatry people, I would advise not to engage them because they have that kindof Vibe, like like the Mormons, like they believe in Christianity. Plusthey got their extra book. It's does Anti Psychiatry people think they've got itfigured out. Plus they know a little more than than you or me combined. So their magic people and they're not really rational to argue with anyway,they exist. So and they're not all scientologists. So trip on that.If you like what you heard, subscribe on Apple Podcast by Itunes and joinus. F my color style, that car and spill. It's it's funnyhow when I get talking, well, I just fucking get talking. Iwas down in the cafe the topic came up about a podcaster be limited indistribution because their particular podcast. This it's not my podcaster, isn't everything toa psych media but in a different group and they're, you know, noton mious group. So I can't really tell any details, but generally theperson that had brought the issue up was unable to get their particular show intoa mental health network because, get this, they don't use the medical language model. And get my Ravit ears in frame medical language model, which immediatelyto me smacks of classism and elitism and the whole thing of like, whohas access to that fucking knowledge that you're using? Or not knowledge, butwho has access to the language that you're using? If everybody, if wecan't include everybody in the a true mental... dialog, to me it's tainted. Your work is tainted. You have to let everybody speak and speak thatthey in the way that they are comfortable speaking. You have to meet peoplewhere they are. That's pretty much given. I would assume most people in themental health field and know that or knew that, but apparently not so. In a way that kind of ties in with the earlier segment about theAnti Psychiatry people who are how do we put that? I guess the wayI framed it last time was very anti curiosity in my mind, because clearly, yeah, people die from mads, misdiagnosis, medications make people jump offbridges. I get I get it, man. There's mistakes everywhere and yeah, I guess they could all be inexcusable, but they also happened for reasons.Pick any industry. An assembly line, a robot will kill somebody. Inthe medical field, pills will kill people. Psychiatry, psychology could evenkill people. What you tell people there's court cases where fucking people. There'sa girl who I think is going to prison because she texted her boyfriend togo ahead kill yourself or some shit like that. I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, so how you affect people psychologically or through a psychiatric medication manner. Youknow, it makes makes a big difference. Okay, Anti Psychiatry, shutting peopledown more subversively through that elitist medical language model. Okay, those aretwo problems I have with that. And then having to focus about bipolar allday in the bipolar world, to you have the issue of New People comingon for that. saw this in the podcasting world as well. When you'rea podcaster, you're very, very curious, like how does a podcast get made? What kind of Mike Should I buy? What kind of like?Do I need a mixer? Do I...

...need this? What's the best host? Oyeah, you're curious about all these so you join social media groups.You find out. Okay, cool, I'm going to start podcast. It'skind of the same way with mental illness. I've noticed new people come on toget diagnosed every day. They start, you know, searching through different socialmedia and now they're asking the same old questions over and over. Sothat's human nature, I guess, to ask. I'm going to ask myquestion. Fuck all if the questions already been answered. I don't want touse the search function because I want people answer me directly. I think that'shuman nature, so I'm not going to hold it against people, but itdoes drive me crazy that new people keep asking the same thing and again,since I'm not the kind of person who gets paid to be bipolar. I'mnot. I don't have a thing that pays the bills that say hey,I'm I'm a bipolar guys a better start to think about all the people Iadmire in the media that are bipolar or have bipolar or again, however youwant to frame it. They're already famous for doing their thing. They're usuallyperformers. There are in the creative arts actors, singers, m band people, comedians and things like that. So it kind of reminded me to getback to my thing. So I don't want the next season of this showchaos update to really be about bipolar disorder as much as just a podcast createdby a guy with bipolar disorder. Follow me, there's a distinct difference,but it's a very important difference. That said, when people start searching forbipolar disorder, I don't necessarily want to steer them to chaos update, becausethat would be weird. They could go listen to the first season and getall the season one bipolar talk, the resources, they can be forwarded to, the different links and things like that, which I think that's cool, becauseI really just want to do my part, but also balance out withdo my part for myself to like personal development, to move move life along. And how do you do that if...

...all you're doing is focusing on yourdisorder? It's funny when I deal with the Anti Psychiatry people, a lotof them don't realize the whole reason this show is called bipolar style is becauseI'm not sold on the fact that it's a disorder. They call it adisorder, but based on what? What is order? What is the properchemical balance that we are imbalanced against? If they say, Oh, it'sa chemical and balance, well, what is normal? What's the normal levelof chemicals? Can you write it down for us so that we can adjustours accordingly, because apparently you don't fucking know what balanced is. So it'skind of rude to say we're imbalanced or disordered. So to the Anti Psychiatrypeople, I'm throwing you a bone. Yeah, I just I'm not soldthat that's a disorder. I'm totally open for discussion about bipolar disorder and someof the others as well, especially the the mood ones. Like who's tosay just because someone mood regulator is different than yours means that that's the wrongway? Maybe we're emoting correctly and Y'all are little dancer, little coldhearted orsomething. Who knows? Anyway. Yeah, so we put together two pieces.If you're watching on facebook, kind of clip this facebook piece here thatwe're doing now with the previous one about anti psychiatry, just kind of blendingthem in. I'll edit it into one podcast. will put it up onby polar stylecom in the meantime. Yeah, do your thing around the holidays.Mat stay safe and they got warm lines. You don't have to calla hot line. You don't have to wait till it's critical and you wantto jump in front of a train. You can call a warm line andjust chat with people, just have a talk, you know, just callthem up and say, Hey, I'm not feeling well. This is botheringme. Whatever. Maybe I'll call one.

No, no, I'm going togo see a movie. I'm going to go see the disaster artist.Looks Fascinating to me. So I hope you well and enjoy Christmas. Ifyou're doing that, be safe and check out another podcast, definitely after Christmas, before the New Year, and we'll start off two thousand and eighteen witha bang. Cool, cool, cool, all right, cutting the camera,cutting the mics, putting my shoes and go and see a movie ifyou liked what you've heard on apple, podcast by Itunes and join us atmy color stylecom thanks bill. It's.

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