Emo Dojo™ Presents: John Emotions
Emo Dojo™ Presents: John Emotions

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Dilara shares that/ Cranial sacral massage/ Helps horses heal their trauma

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Dilara shares that/

Cranial Sacral Massage/

Helps horses heal their trauma 

From the Jurassic Coast of Southwest England, we meet Dilara Pataudi, and bestselling author on Equine Craniosacral Massage Therapy and healing. 

Hi, it's Johnny Emotion, welcome backto Emo, do jo today on this Sigel Jam, I'm going back to the UK, so Dilara de Lara Patati. Let me spella couple of things here, so you can look her up and get started on yourresearch if you're into that before we listen to her, so you can pull up herpages and things em anyway. DILARA PATAUDE TURNS OUT TO BE A best sellingAmazon author on the topic of equine sacrario therapy,so equine means horses. Sacrario therapy has to do with the massaging ofthe skull bones and down your neck and your spine to relieve stress- and youknow, fix your soul and those type of things. It's not esoteric as much asphysiological. Some of these things sound like hippie magic. Thisparticular thing is much more into acute pressure and Kiora IC work, so wedrop in the conversation here with de Lara, and let me spell her name to itsDias and David or d as an de Lara D, I L A R, a de Lara Pataude and that's P, a t. A U D. I dilara Patati she's aspecialist in Epine, Sacro, Cranio therapy and she lives on the SouthWestern coast. The Jurassic oppose to Dowell of England, England property. Solet's drop in and take a listen. So tell us your city and kind of try tolocate us on a map. The best you can okay. So if you are looking at a map ofTUK, you have obviously, as an island is any trying in the shape. You've gotthe sad coast and where I am is, if you again went todraw the vertical line through the island, I am on the West South Westernside of that line. So you've got essentially in London, which is SouthEast of you, the UK and then a few counties along you've got doorset. So it's kind of I'm just on the other side and mirroring London so tospeak, and then further along from me. You Have Devon and Cornwall and cornelis the very, very tip of the southwest point of the island. So actually that's a geographically an idea. I hopethat's clear, yeah very clear, so yea. If I were to look at the map you kindof lower left England, yes lower, left but closer to the middle, the can writeit in ten. Exactly then, the very very left left left and side so, for example, the roads in England, especially whereI am they're very narrow country lanes. I mean we have like highways or motionwhat you call them where you are or how and but they're few and far between thefurther south and the further to the periphery of the island. You get so todrive, for example, from me to the tip of Cornwall takes about maybe fourhours, even though it's not actually relatively that far away. But thatgives you a visual, I guess a bit of a feeling of what it's like to travelthrough the country, because it's such an old land. You know it's an oldspirit of a place and in the roads really reflect that you are on. Are youon the coast, it so for you on a like a port city or some kind of coastal city?Okay, so I live in a village about two to three minute drive from one of themost famous beaters in the world, which is called Durdler, which is part of theJurassic coast. So it's not the port city. It's literally I'm like nestledin a tiny, tiny collection of houses, a sound lovely already to I e R. It is amazing, and I'm actually luckybecause of my space is its right at the edge of the village which I joined.This face book group, the other day called, which is were like women wholived at the edge of the village or something like that and I was like yethey have. That is actually your village of many of the different villasof many different. So it's a type of personality. Yeah Yeo, like you, know,stereotype, lot, yeah, that's fantastic! So if you live at the end of, let'scall it development does at some point. If you were to keep going along whereyou lived, does it just kind of end and turn into nature its Asia Yeah Yeah? Soif you, if you go towards the ocean from me, I'm surrounded about about twothousand five hundred acres of farm land, so yeah it's amazing, and so basically youhave the village, and then you keep going towards the coast past of theligins just countryside, and then you've got this beautiful Jurassiccoast, which is like I said in my email, like thirty thousand amazing years of kind of injust redible rock formationyeah. The idea that something is that old and I...

...clearly untouched by development orconstruction, or anything like that. It's almost like looking back inhistory in a way we exactly a kind of like the way youmentioned. When you go to certain parts of Wales, you can't really describe it,but you feel it and I think that's the feeling I would probably get at a beachlike that, you as completely right. I think it'sJohn. It's really about feeling of what I love about here is that it's a veryclean energy. Every time I go to the beach and I swim in the sea all theyear around and it's like it's, it can be completely wild and soft at the sametime and the coast just has this kind of a magnetic cleansing energy about it. It's likeyou know, and people come from all over the world to visit this collection offeatures, and it's interesting because it's in the summer, it's as you canimagine like all the beautiful places in the world are on earth or it'sreally busy and at the same time you know me, and some of the other localswill go like six in the morning or last thing at night during the summer, andthat clean energy is still there, and I find that totally mind blowing, becauseit's just, I feel I always feel like I'm connecting to the essence of thatplace, like you said, of whenever formed yeah, and there must be somescientific basis for that too, because California has some areas that feellike that, and I'm starting to wonder if it's just the nature of the way theearth turns on its axis and the jet stream blows against the western coasts. So maybe it's constantly just slowlyflushing out the the ions official yeah. I think thatthat's that's! That's a really important piece,because at the end of the there are pockets that aren't like that. You know,and it's kind of like more station yeah totally yeah different in differentcreaters live there and all sorts of things. We got into a conversation theother day at work about sand, because my mom started collecting jars of sandfrom everywhere she travels and it's always amazing how different the sandis from your perception. Some of the most beautiful beaches have nearlygravel for sand and some places in the chromius parts of the world have nearlylike talcumed for sand. Tell us about the sand on your beach.Okay. So that's actually a really interesting point, because so the threebeaches are the closest to me which all line together. They are not sand, they're actuallypebbles, but they are these. Like tiny, tiny, perfect, beautiful pebbles, I mean I would, Ithink, part of my conditioning as a woman living in England who wants totravel to wise Andy. Beaches is Oh pebbly beach, that's not beautiful, butactually it's the opposite. It's like, I think it's part of that cleansingenergy. Like I said, you know you when you sit on the pebbles when youwalk in and out of the ocean, you get that extra kind of exfoliating effectof the whole experience right right and yeah, so they're, beautiful and there'sone tiny part of the very last meek. Twitch is sand and that's more of a, I would say it's more of a gravely somewhere between gravel andtalk about a traditional on a big scale, a yeah. Now I'm imagining pretty wellbecause it sounds like the natural evolution from the small pebbles, I'mguessing half the size of your finger nail or something like that size, yeahyeah they go and they'll write anywhere from. I guess I get thome print sizesure to full hand. I'm apologize at this sounds weird, but these areinteresting questions. They help me paying a picture and a lot of times,people when they listen to podcast while they're driving and they actuallyhave to think with their mind. So how do we describe a beach? So I feel thatand they're, like probably polished, smooth like tiny little river rugs,exactly that's exactly it and I think that's what's interesting. Is I have ariver here on my property and the stones in the river are y? U N W e DiJagged it and rough, and you know if I walk across the river and bad feet,it's with their feet. It's every impossible. Yeah break your ankle, justtrying to avoid the yeah, and, but you know the beach theyare. They are literally designed by the Ocean in this way that makes them smoother than you can imagine reallyit's like it's like getting into bed yeah. I imagine for sure, especially ifthe temperature is right and the the kind that look like they've beentumbled in a rock tumbler Tita, yeah yeah and those they make a great soundwhen you walk on those types of beaches. Do It's a lot of fun right if you liein the water? Actually, when there's a bit of a current a bit of a tide comingin in out, there's is amazing. Audio effects that you get of you know therations hip between the water and Stones O. I love it, there's somethingover rated about overly fine powdered sand to and that it gets in yourtrousers and your in bikinis and what not and it's really hard to get out ofyour clothes out of the car, I'm not knocking sandy beaches. I I'm justsaying those kind of beaches also have...

...a great benefit with the with thesmaller pebble rocks. Let's neat tasty, especially if you're siming in themiddle of winter and you're trying to get changed and it's freezing and youdon't want to sound all over you. It's kind of perfect right right. Tell me: How big is your town like howmany people live in your village? Okay, so at the moment, probably about ahundred and fifty wow? That's nothing! That's hardly anybody! So you have youlived there a long time. I have moved here on the thirty first of May tothousand and eighteen. So no, but you know that's not many people, though youprobably know quite a handful of them by now yeah. I do I mean I wasinteresting as because I live with my horses and because of what I do, I'm awriter and I do healing work with animals. So it's I mean the traveling out to treatcourses or I'm writing. So I actually lead quite a solitary life and at thesame time, even if that's the case with anybody, you end up meeting people whothink you're meant to me right. So you've already thought yeah. So there'sdefinitely a lovely group of people in the village. So this is that's a small village. Doyou have a local market in in the town area? Or do you have to travel down theroad a bit to shop? We definitely have to travel down the road a bit. Sothere's a there is a shop in the village which has it doesn't have a lotin it. There's a minimal amount here, there's kind of local pastries andthings like that, which is great, but for vegetables and a bigger shop toreally meet more needs. Yeah. We have to either drive about twenty fiveminutes or what I do is actually get local food delivered as a delivery.There's a farm called Riverfordhook sure and they look a produce boxtotally. They deliver food, fresh, organic vegetables and fruit andeverything all around the country and all around this part of the country,and so they come every Wednesday and that usually ticks all of my boxes. Butsometimes I need to drive yeah, that's great great yeah, it's really Nice!That's re! It's one of those things that they just give you whatever is inseason. I guess totally it's all seasonal, but you can go online andselect, which is nice to so. Actually, it's quite a comprehensive system thatit's it's Nice, if you just you, don't know what you want. You can just choosethe seasonal box and you it's what I like about it is that you know you'reeating in with the seasons I throughout the year, so your body is getting moreof a natural. My Body, I feel, is getting more of a natural input yeahjust into in fate. Yeah. That's great this. I like the idea of eating localhoneys eating food. That's in season from where you live. I love it.Actually, I was no. I was thinking of the horses I was thinking like if Iever had left over food from a produce box, and I had horses I'd like come onhorses. Let's try what we have today, yeah for sure I mean there are somethings the horses can't eat, but usually that's exactly what I do andactually even I have so. I have a juice every morning and I take the pulp fromthe juice and I offer it to them, so they can self select it if they want itand yeah like if there's a beatrice and the celery and there they're all overit, they love it. No kidding and yeah is there? Are there? Have youdetermined anything that they do not like? Is this anything that turnedtheir nose at its actually a really good questionthat I often don't offer it to them, because I know that they're not meantto at it yeah I still kind of a treat. I mean yeah stuff, like red pepper. Inotice they don't like and onions interesting yeah. I know I would I thatthey like it all, because you know with the blood cleansing. Okay, love, garlic,for example. That is, is a Nifi saying exactly tell me about your healing work thatyou do. Do you bring people out to the village and stay with you and how doeshow like you're healing people, I assume, when you're using horses to dothe healing? So No, what I actually do is I'm an equine CORONIO secrole. So Itreat the horses themselves a yeah. It's a really amazing work, John, I'mso lucky to be able to do this. I've been doing it now for about eight yearsand I still feel like I'm. You know a student of the horses. Really it's justincredible such a big piece of art to work with to so tranio. I'm not correctme if I say Ron, Crania Sacre, I believe, is the right term, right, yeahand so for what I recall, just in my study of all things. Interesting isthat's the basically the massaging of a head andknowing all the pressure points kind of like reflexology in a sense, but inyour head is that close, very, very close yeah? I love the fat, the mentionof Reflex Ology because it definitely touches or is relates closer toreflexology and acupuncture and osteopathy to say, massage or anythingthat is more manipulative of the body. It's actually CRINITA is born out ofosteopathy. So does that do me to clarify that or doesthat make no sense that makes sense to me but clarify a little more for ouraudience. I honestly don't know who listens it's a bunch of crazy people.Listen to my show. So I okay, we of crazy. I so right so crane Seco itselfis a very, very light hands on...

...technique used all over the body, butfocusing on something called the core link, which is the relationship betweenthe head and the pelvis through the spine. So what we believe and what'sbeen proven time and time again, is that you know specific parts of thehead, but the head in general mirrors m will reflect what's happening with thespine and it was happened with the pelvis and vice versa. So we work withsomething called a cranial system which is just a very light movement withinthe body and without getting to technical from that point on withthat's generally what it is so there's a lot of focus on the cranium there's alot of focus on the pelvis, but it's a whole body practice and a whole bodymodality, and it's incredible it's the type of work that really helps. You realize howmuch can happen with a soft touch and how subtle the body can actually be.You know because I think, a lot of the time people want it hard and rough or likedeep tissue and that sort of thing, but man, because when I had a partner, themy favorite thing when she would just like kind of absent mindedly scratch.My shaved head, like I, was her pet cat or something Inever told her this, but like a Ram, I mean I really like that feeling. I'mlike this is great. Don't stop that, but I didn't want to say it because itseems kind of weird but making man. That's there's something to that forsure. That's why I looked into it yeah, it's so funny that you said. I love itbecause my partner loves the same thing he's just as soon as I touch his headhe's. That's it ridiculously affected, it's so bad, it's worse than on Yeah! It's! I think that. So what areyou feeling for on any scholl? But in particular you work with horses, butare you feeling for like veins or bloods, or do you know wherethe pressure points where the nerves are like? What are you feeling for so a good question? I mean it's oftenit's actually a very, very non specific focus so, for example, so like anenergy healer right because I have a friend, that's an energy, so yours kindof V, like a Doucin, stick of sort, so you're a human dousing. Stick in thissense, the Stop Me, if I'm being too crude, but I mean so you're literallyfeeling for the misalignment. Let's call them. Thank you. Well, I thinkthis a world like about this is that there's there's a nice balance betweensay, science and spirituality or side, the scientific element of it and theenergetic side, because we have we go through, especially with horses because,obviously like humans, every horse is different and horses are ridden. So youknow you've got essentially by mechanics and posture which arecompletely affected by another either one other person or throughout theirlife. You know hundreds of different people riding their equipment bits ashoes like so many things right, so so many external dinu which affect theirtheir well being and so there's a whole assessment that we go through first,which is looking at their posture, the where they move also analyzing the headitself to look at are the eyes in line it's so many different things. So,there's a real like analysis first, which honestly doesn't hit that longonce you know what you're looking for, but it's a very, very important piecebecause after that, that's where you go in and you use you know with yourintention and the energy work and the knowledge of the different handhold andthe anatomy. That's where you go in, and you focus essentially on Brelanthat body to come back into a state of Homo states and balance. But it'smainly through the energy is a huge piece of the energy work. But you haveto know your anatomy. You have to be able to understand the relationshipbetween the cranial bones and then different systems in the body yeah.That's. That seems like the hard part right there, because how many bones areon a typical horsehead. Does it ay a T in total? I could be wrong.Actually, I need to that's a real, a T. there's not like one or two bones likewe assume the human scull is there's like multiple parts and pieces, the jobyou do the job, assuming that's a right, because that's probably importantmoving part, really important pot. We do that. I love the fact mention thejaw, because the man of all the Jawers same with us. It's like one of the mostimportant pattern, setters in the body, so it like sets the trend for what'sgoing on everywhere else. So and especially because horses have such bigjaws, they have bits. They have like changing teeth like all this amazingstuff, lick to the door and they're always grinding, because I think ofpeople like humans with T MJAES and I'm like wow. It seems like a really commonthing for a horse to have that, but never to be able to tell a doctor aboutit exactly, and I think that that's wheretherapist body workers, whether it's Crinier therapy or anybody who has areally good knowledge base of the cranium and the movement within thehead, is going to be looking for signs.

Like you know, it's the matter. What'sthe range of movement, so in the draw, for example like how are they eatingyou don't mind that I'm asking you more about this than where you live rightnow. Do you because this is, as is great yeah? I love this. So can you detect? Okay? So who brings youa horse? Are they pet? So they former champions as studs or they race? What elike? What what's the nature of the horses that you see so at the moment,it depends where I live, because I was living in Hampshire before which is acounty set further into the center of the country, and when I was sittingthere, I saw a lot of dress our choices: jompet horses, that to dress out andjumping and racing and venting so yeah horses that were competing a lot whereI live. Now I treat a lot of people who, yes, they have the horses as pets. Theytake it out on hacks. They may be do a bit of jumping here and there, but it'svery low key, so but they're performing horses and in a way it sounds likeyou're, almost like a sports therapist for horses. I think that it's funny that you saythat, because my perspective is really there's an element of you know, I wantto help bring the horse back into balance, but then there's aneducational poppo where the owner, you know not needs to realize that's abit heart of a hard way to say it, but the owner ends up realizing that okay,their horse, maybe was a bit more out of balance than they presumed and sowith the body work. Then maybe they need to ride them less for a period oftime. So it's less, like you know, say a sports therapist for an athlete who'sthen going to go out and run immediately gas going to right, amost,maybe a sports, a sports therapist for child athletes, whose parents arewriting them too hard. That's kind of a good analogy: yeah, that's more accurate! I just gotto take them back and say: Look the Horse is fine. You're, just abusing thepoor guy lightin up a little bit typing yeah. Well, that was that's. WhyI started ask that line of question I'm like well, if you're a healer can inthe exchange when the horse comes to you, invariably you meet the owner. Atsome point I was wondering like do you: Did you ever detect abuse in a horse'shistory after you start working o, because that screwed up- and thesestart wondering like was this abuse- come from the current possessor of thishorse or is it just abused as a baby or there's a lot that could come outthrough that kind of thing and I'm like wow, I mean it's yes, there is that and Ithink that what happens in the assessment phases it's like when I go in with my cranySacral Lens, I'm like okay. What do I need to do? How do we to show up andprovide and hold space for this horse through what I know in order to help itjust feel more balance, because so many horses are the valance. That's thething and it starts there, the! So that's really what I'm focusing on.Often, of course, I will meet the owner and the owner will often bring theiremotions to the table because, of course, like I learned this in twothousand and thirteen when I first started practicing for me, I personally believe and havefelt that you cannot affect one without affectingthe other and vice versa. They are so linked, the owner and the Horse, evenif the owner isn't in the horse's life all the time. There is an intrinsicconnection between the human and the Horse, which is undeniable, and so I Iit's an energy thing. It's a narrow, it's a reflection, you know often yeah,of course, is really wild, because when you see these, this could really beanalogous to a parent child relationship, the Horse owner and thehorse like what, because I'm just thinking all these times through, Iused to work with kids in a juvenile center kind of place woand, and thatwas the issue a lot a lot of times. There was just a misalignment on theunderstanding of the role of the Horse or the child in the relationship withthe person that was supposed to care for them yeah and it's interesting because Ifeel like with horses. First of all, yes, I completely agreewith what you're saying and with horses there's an element of a lot of ownerswill have horses, especially if they're not competing they'll have the horses,because they need at escape you from their life and so, and they might know that consciouslythey might not. You know it. It really depends on the person. Some people willcompletely comfortably say yeah. This is my. This is a way from the rest ofmy life with my horse, but what that means is that, of course, all of theiremotions and all of their baggage is actually entering the relationship withthe horse. Now, that's not wrong. It's just. We need to become as humans, obviouslymuch more conscious about what we're really feeling and when we do that,it's much easier to connect with horses, because their language is really isreally all about emotions, not about feeling that's how they connect andcommunicate. That's that's really,...

...amazing. Let me stop right here. Justsay Gary has entered our room. I don't know if you can see him down there, heI can hellohello. I apologize for my tardiness. I needed we sleep sleep. Yougot a echo going on over there, Gary Yeah. I don't know why we I so anywaywith the horses. This is interesting that you mentioned that because I had along relationship with horses. Starting back when I was a kid. I had a friendwho lived in the country side and we used they had hunting horses, which Iwasn't used to. I got to their house and they said we're going to go shootguns on horseback and like that sounds nuts, because I wasn't in to guns and Ihad rid a horse. I just I knew I'd seen that kind of Sissena on cowboy moviesback in the black and white days, I'm like what that doesn't sound right. Atany rate, I ended up not not shooting the gun, because I liked my horse toomuch. They threw me on like the old bessie kind of horse. It was a man male horse. It liked me,though, so we got along swimmy ly and it got to Trotton with me and I'll talkto it and Yeah They D. I don't think they likethe shooting bit at all, but anyway, so after that, the next time I got arounda Ho. I'm sorry go ahead, no, no go for it! Sorry! I think thathe we had a bit of a cross over there yeah so the next time I saw a horseagain now, I'm a roving teenager at this point about sixteen andexperimenting with the drugs, and I was on some LSD and there was a horse neara field where I lived and I hung out with it for about twenty minutes. Wejust stared at each other's eyes and loved each other and yeah. I felt it fully at peace andI'm pretty sure he was because it wasn't acting odd. You know youprobably thought who's this weird person staring at me, but I don't knowI've always had a kind of interesting relationship with the horses, but nowthat I think of I live in a place now, where there's lots of horses and lotsof cattle, it's Indian country in the middle of the United States, right woww you live exactly it's place called Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, and just it'scowboys everywhere, I'm not from here. So I'm a stranger in a really strangeland to me, but there's plenty of happy horsesrunning around. So I keep thinking of like man, I'd like to have a place withthe Horse, but having this conversation with you now, I'm thinking well. Do Ibecause what would I have them for? I guess, as a pet, in a really prettyyard lots of stuff to do? But now I don't think I'd ever want to ride himunless, like he gave me his permission, you know I have to get a really gianthorse to where my two hundred pounds doesn't really affect him and ask hispermission et morning. Hey Bob, would you mind ride to day and if he gives methe not, I guess I would go. I would have a really weird relationship withhorses from now moving forward. Amazing, I love everything you saidbecause it's your question is so relevant to the industry in the of itself. Is whyhow essentially, if we're going to have horses, how can we have them in ourlives and enjoy them, and also it be a kind of a symbiosis of okay? Is The horse? Happy too, is thehorse connected to me, but the horses needs met in every way that it would be.You know if it was in the wild, as you know, as much as possible and there'sthis element of I used to ride. That was what I did for a long time. I was awriter and then cut a long story short. I stopped writing and I trying toCrenier Pis and- and I had a crossover of okay- God, I'm stilla ride. I really miss it, but I don't want to do it because I can see allthese horses are out o balance. And what do I do about that? And, Oh, myGod, it's a Coontra inside me so anyway. What I learned, though, over the years,is that there is such a deep connection to be had with an animal I'm just goingto h horses in this instant, we're talking about horses, but it's with ananimal when we choose to show up from a deeper place within ourselves, and thatcan look like anything. It can look like just going and sitting with ananimal and tearing into its eyes like you did and feeling peace. It can looklike you know, taking your dog folk every day and being mindful of yourconnection. It can it like anything, but that's really available forhumanity, that's the thing and it it works both ways. It's a win win,because animals are her to connect with us and the more we and connect withthem. The more we understand them, and so the more we can provide for them-and I do feel about what you're talkingabout and touching one is, is amazing because in my opinion, theindustry really needs to change, because these horses are abused andthey are over used and that again it's not right or wrong. It's just what'shappened over the years, but it's not stable. That's the thing it's yeah welland it's just not as humane as we could be once people know once they hear astory like this, I would think kind. Human or humane person woulddouble think everything, because now I'm thinking on down the line, how manyother animals do we utilize as work...

...animals that don't necessarily want towork? Clearly, many dogs like being around human companions where they seemto and they seem to abide by their training, just fine and they don't seemto be overworked. Police dogs and some fire dogs maybe get put intounnecessary danger in my mind, but anyway like, but now I'm like is this evenfair: to put dogs into dangerous situations like send a German shepherdinto a burning pile of rubble to sniff out humans. Is that yeah it's great forhumans for sure? But is it? Is it the ethical thing to do just because we'reon top of the food chain and figured out how to manipulate the othercreatures e and that's the thing is that at the end of the day, that's whatI meant about becoming conscious right, yeah when we become aware and when weit when we wake up to actually what we're doing emotionally psychologically,everything you know will recognize those elements of say, manipulation toget our needs met, or just you know, offloading our emotions or projectingor our perceptions or our belief systems or everything. The minute westart breaking those things down, you're. Just you access this part of yourself, which isinnately able to connect to an animal at a deeper level, because you areprepared to witness yourself at a deeper level and it's just a it's justan immediate reflection. I mean it's, you know if I have things that come outfor me emotionally that I don't address and with my horses every day twice orthree times a day, I connect with them every day in meditation, and if I havestuff that I'm not addressing, they will, let me know instantly and it justis a either a matter of time until I you know really wake up to what's goingon and become mindful of it or it'll happen straight away, but one way oranother it's going to happen, and that always enables me to hear them at adeeper level. Yeah. I think it's what you said just second to go to earlierabout being present that that's really where it all starts. Isn't it just aacknowledge that that's not an object? That's a that's a creature like us, andI don't I mean I'm not even a hippy like you know what I mean, I'm not. Ismoke some pot, but I'm not like a hippy tree, hugger, necessarily guy,I'm just a regular dude, so I hope other people out there that are regularpeople can kind of move the move, the notch a little bit forward and realizethat we are all connected if you want to go like teenage vibe like Avatar,where the earth is connected to the trees and the people, I mean that Shit.That is the thing. That's what's really going on here and I don't know thisaudience on this particular show will definitely go along with this vibe,because we talk about these types of things, just things that like aredeeper than normal, pretty frequently. So I love this especially. I had a question in my mind, but now Iforgot it because I busy to an it's it's necessary. I feel like what we'retalking about is it's just a necessary part of all awake, an end, a part of apot of life. You know at the end of the day like it right, it was part of lifetoo. That's what's really weird a lot of people. Think, Oh, you guys aretrying to be woke or hippies or you know metaphysical or whatever I'm like.No, this is the way humans were like two hundred years ago before thisfucking industrial revolution destroyed everything we used to be this way,we're just getting back to wait where big back to alignment totally, and I think that what comes tomind now is actually this element of you know we, the fact is, is that wehave a huge range within us. Like you know, in terms of being connected ordisconnected, you can go from B, feeling completely disconnected andcompletely alone and completely whatever you know not in touch withlife, for yourself to the other end of the spectrum and where you feelconnected to everything to nature your animals yourself, your family, I meanliterally every day, all the time you're present and that's such anexpansive state, and because we have that range in my mind, I'm thinkingwell, you know an we meant to be. Then in that state more often because we can enter it like you know,and yes, it's how humans used to be, it's also how we never lost it reallyjust we covered it. A member yeah we covered up with gadgets and things thatattract our attention in other ways, so yeah that attentive this thing, man. Sowhen how do you get work? Do you it's? Thevillage, isn't big enough to support you? Do you get on the Internet andlike promote your services? I do so. I have have my website and I'm on Instarand face book and I'm also on Google. As you know, if somebody types in aQuan Crane, Seco therapist in my area, they're going to find me so I'm on aline, and I also get clients through word of mouth, which I love, because Ilove both ways, but I do find that very a very grounded kind of natural flow tofollow. You know when somebody just says you know, because then thatperson's actually had d an experience...

...of you don't have to I tarry out yeah andyou don't have to get past the hippy thing, the like crystals andmagic thing right, but you mean, in terms of I would haveto explain that. That's what you know what I'm saying: I'm not saying thatderisively. I say because I'm into like everything, and sometimes when Iapproach certain topics, I get the I roll that Oh you're you're. What andI'm like a healer. So I'm like, I think, when you get word of mouth they'realready into the healing they're, already really into their horses to thepoint where they're looking for help- and I think those are probably greatleads to yeah. I actually. What you touched on is a really interestingtopic in terms of the use of the word healerand the association that we currently have with that in terms of it not beingagain like this element of it, not being scientific or provable orwhatever you know, and but in terms of to answer your question. Yes, I mean it's. What I like aboutCornice as well as that it is we have that Tom acol very ye. It's hard sinthere, one there are muscles they're nervous and there are veins goingthrough there and they all carry energy. That's been measured by science, YeahYeah, and it's it's interesting because a lot of the so treat I'm actually. The last pointof call, which I do always find fascinating, where you know, there's anissue: a physical issue with the Horse, where they've called the bet they'vehad the back person the fit the car branks gotta, try the Western medicinefirst try py dogs on cited, just gonates girl, just listok got puppies to yeah. I have a dog Nile she's amazing.Is it like a healer type of dog? Oh my God, you hear the now on the head. Sheis a complete out of the seven of us, like my five horses me and her. She is the healer. She is the one her.She is honestly, it's what everybody says: She'll just jump into your lapand provide you with what you need, but a yeah. It's incredible! She just blowsmy mind. So great yeah, I got I'm trying to figure out how to get back toyour town. Do you? How do the people in your town think ofyou or do you just it just? Is it a small enough village to where it justdoesn't matter? It's like. We all do our own, weird things. No, it's thecomplete opposite. I'm definitely like you know the Tree Hugging CrystalIncense Burning Horse Talker. You know crazy, lady atthe end of village and I'm actually about half the age of everybody wholives in the village, even a better, so you're, some new Hippi that talks tohorses. I love it actually yeah. It's a really interesting experience for me.Actually! Well, it's funny because, like you could flippantly say she talksto horses but really you're doing reflectory on their skulls, which issomething that's that's the part. I don't understand where people just kindof detach themselves from real science and try to layer it with their ownpreconceived notions about it. Would I like to call unproven science? I thinkall the things that people talk smack about nowadays will eventually beproven again. We just can't touch now, even if to like I've done episodesabout people who feel electro magnetic frequencies, tin, foil, hat type of people. I'm not. I mean it's kind of funny tome, because I don't have that condition right, I'm just kind of an asshole andthings that don't affect. We don't affect me, but I hold it out there thatthey might actually be more sensitive than everybody else and we just haven'tbeen able to prove it yet so for sure, and so that's why I thinktalking to horses is not weird at all yeah, and you know it's interesting,because that's the thing it's most of the time when I tell peoplethat that's what I do, they there's this level of acceptance almost asthough they want to be part of that train of thought, which is veryinteresting because, again to me, what that highlights is okay people at theend of the day, deep down. What we really want is connection, and it feelsso good to be able to say yea. I completely know what you're talkingabout or the opposite, to be able to at least be curious, say: Hey. Can youtell me about that so that I can connect with what you're saying and then you know I have met a few peoplewho absolutely just now. They don't get it at all, which isfine too, because everybody is meant to have their inperceptible d. that's whatmakes life interesting, but you know I do everything. It'sundeniable everything is energy. It doesn't matter whether it's aconversation or a horse or a pen. You...

...know, and so the way that we interactwith those different elements of life is very, very personal and when for me,when I'm able to act with the horses, they have such a heart, centered energy-and that is you know it's an offering they're, always gifting humanity,something even in the most abusive situations like I went to work in Egyptand you know the I worked in Aircanhospital who provided medical treatment for the horses and donkeys in the area,and so I saw some pretty extreme cases and even then, even in those you knowreally die state the horses. You can feel they're still capable of offeringsomething to you, even if it's just a breath of presence like it's still thatthat's net I've never thought about horses. That way, that's a great way tothink of horse. Do you ever have you ever been fearfulof working with a horse just due to their size? It's not like a dog or acat or a mid size, animal! That's a big beast of it decided to have a episoderight, yeah! It's! I love the fact that askedthat, because this happened to me for the first time two days ago, up until this point no I'd always I've been cautious. Sure in terms oflike reading the situation and being mindful of the fact that the horse iseither you know, you get explosive horses for example, especially whenyou're working on the cranium and you're helping the body unwind. Thebody's energy did to release like it came in so there's often an explosionof energy and the Horse Will Canat physically, where they're going to jumpup or shake their heads or run around or bite or anything. But you know youas a therapist you're, mindful of that, but I was treating a horse two days ago and he he's been in quite a of discomfort,he's very young still and he was really really really trying to bite me and itwas yeah and for me I said to the owner: She's amazing. She just now. She juststicks with it and stays present in his sessions, and I said well Tis the firsttime I've said to an owner. Please can you make sure that his know you'reholding his head properly or you're holding him so that he can't get to me,and I looked at that because again, like I said to you, it's say what isthat reflecting in me, where is my energy? What am I doing? Yeah Yeah foryeah. You want to check, make sure it's not me. It could be me. Maybe I juststopping out of the room yeah, that's Co, Yeah Yeah, I'm glad you're, okayand I'm sure things are going to work out with that horse. But there's alwaysa challenge right. There's always got to be something that pushes your limitsand reminds you of you know what you're really doing there, because it can'tall be easy horse completely, and I think that it's justthat's. Why we're here as well? Let's just turn mind each other of. What'sgoing on in the present moment, yeah tell me just about your local, likewhat you sound really busy and, like you have a really fulfilled mind. Doyou partake an entertainment like watch the telly or listen to music? Much I listen to music and I don't really watch T v I in to phasesof using TV is a way to you know, process something or disconnect, butnow I don't watch to be on a regular basis. I spent a lot of time outsideand I do listen to music and I I love to play music. I play the piano the horses in the horses here that from they can sometimes yeah, but theyhaven't. I haven't been able to take the piano outside and play to them, butthey have hang pan as well, which I've played to them a few times and theylove that. Well, you hang n. what's that it's it's that drum that it doesis not a drum it's. It looks like a spaceship and you sit in your La YeahYeah. I saw that an instar looks like t I think, they're old, in a moon drum,but I think it's the same thing. Yeah. I've never had a call that, but that'sinteresting, a moon drum I like it. You know they give it a fancy name onInstar and try to sell them for twice the price, but yeah, I'm a drummerGarry's a drummer too, so we're always into drum stuff the. So what's, if you play piano and what kind ofmusic do you listen to whole different range? So I loveclassical music. I Love Soft Rock and also an rb like a ninety. Sorby hip hopgirl. So I love that and as it mostly American artists or English artist, youknow micelike American interesting. I was wondering how far the Americanmusic reaches. Like I mean we all speak English, American English, almost inmany cases, so it seems kind of unfair that American music is so prevalentmany places yeah I mean it stretches pretty far. I got to say like if, ifyou're into the s hip hop and an be seen as far as I have experience anyway,it's mostly American artists and I think in the S I was into either likesome gangster wrap like to puck or conscious hip hop like I don't know: PDYeah, okay, so I yeah I'm to pack it's more mine right. I definitely wasn'tinto Copto, see if hot, when I was...

...growing up, I'm not even the so I'vejust taken what I used to listen to is. Is it a generare? I love that. I thinkit's actually an amazing. It's Amazin. If you can wrap well andhave a lyrical value, then it's pretty impressive, really impressive. I mean,like I said, I'm a drum Rod. That's why I like wrap a lot. I'm not a poet or Ican write a good high coup and I can play the draw, but I cannot assemblethe two. So anybody that can assemble the two and not sound like a darkywhite guy gets points from me for sure yeah. I agree I actually in terms of of the back ofyour question of how do I get clients I would love to I'm about to release abook. I would love to mention that if that's okay with you, please do yeah.This is afther thing is for plugging like what else do we got to do? Let'spromote some stuff, amazing? Okay, thanks! So it's called the healinglanguage of forces and it's set to release on June first and what it is isa collection of messages from my herd of forces to humanity, which I gatheredover about a three year period of just sitting in the field with them, andwriting and writing and writing and listening and everything, we've alreadydiscussed in terms of doing my own self development work and shadow work helpme hear their malady for level, so that book is set release on June first and Ihave a poetry book which I released at the beginning of April, which is aninternational and a born, be seller. God! Congratulations! Oh! No! Ishouldn't be surprised. You said you were a writer. We didn't connect on theon the out of the context that, at that you were a writer, so I didn't reallydig deep into that, but yeah you're writer. So of course you have books buthaving a number one book of poetry come on. That's amazing! Thank you! So muchyea it is. It is an amazing feeling, and it's I think, it's again: it's justthat opportunity to connect with people, okay, so to connect with people. Irandomly connected with the person that I will connect you to offling, and so Iwas doing I wanted to start a podcast on the sign business and I wanted tofind out how people successfully do advertising specifically. So I heard a podcast about a podcast er.Well, the second podcast was this guy who runs the Horse Radio Network. Ilooked into it. This guy has like eighteen different, shows all on horses.He goes like to Joe's Hay and Grain Storm in Massachusetts and will getlike two hundred dollars for a ad spot, so he just goes out and he doesn'tworry about download numbers or subscribers or anything. He goesstraight out to the horse. People gets ads for their stuff and all the showsare talking about horse it's every morning. He does horse talk radio likeevery morning of the week days. Wow your book would be amazing and he's areally kind guy. I think you would make an amazing interview for that as well,so it's incredible yeah the incence definitely have to hook you up withthem because wow I'm. This is going to be awesome like once you once you saidyou had something to promote my promoter. Mind kick seem like Oh yeah,that guy promote that book, make some money. Yeaou know feed for the horsesand what not, so, how many horses do you have collectively like how muchland and how much how many like people were horse people? You got up there?Okay, so I have five horses and I have twenty acres of land and that's it it.The land surrounds the house which, for me is amazing, so I can actually seethe horses from pretty much every angle. Then I'm in the house at some point, soI can check on that or at least connect with that and see them first thing inthe morning I like they can always check on you, they'll see if the lightson or be hear you making some noise. That sounds like food time. Theyprobably go totally yeah and what I like is in themorning. I can just open the door and call them and they'll hear me and they,for example, sometimes I'll even be in the kitchen, if I start doing there abit later, like feeding them a bit later I'll be in my kitchen and one ofmy horses who I'm particularly connected to his name is Florenzo, andhe will know that. I'm up, I know you can't hear me sure because I would sayjust walk downstairs or something and not made a little noise, but he'll knowthat I'm awake and he'll whinny, and then I just I just start laughing at myril. Just go outside now is go escaping that guy he's like a watch dog horse, awatch horse, so okay well you're, really close to a beach, but we talkedabout whether or not we ride horses. Do you ever walk your horses to the beachon the beach or ride them on the beach? No, I don't do any of those things onthe be okay. It's it's really exciting. I know, but it's you know, horses arereally very long about them. Is that they love to explore. They love to seenew places. They are animals who will roam hundreds of hundreds, hundreds ofmiles, naturally so t they have that switch during their brain they're, likeoh great, a new place, curiosity engaged and at the same time they arevery, very grounded. So, for example, my horses love to be here.This is their temple. The right,...

...they're, fun, yeah they're, liketeenagers, kicking it playing their x box on the couch they're like we'regood. This is fine. I F like quarantine. What Quarantine? This is what we alwaysdo: Solly Yeah Yeah exactly and it's a butI do have a young horse who I will take out in hand on the road to give hersome experience, because she's really young. I got her when she was a yearold and so my other horses of say sixteen and twenty two and seventeenand twenty three. So all around a similar age and because you so young,you know I wanted her to have some life experience so that, if anything happenslike okay, suddenly we need to move guys need to jump on a lorry and drivedown the road. She's not going to. You know share at least it's fair for herto have some association with the outside. Well, so speak! So Oh yeah,yeah it be like home schooling, a kid for ever or some yeah. You got to letthem out a little bit. Take him out to the mall have get into a little troubleme other poto, the cinema and again yes, plant the seed in their head thatthere's an out there somewhere exactly yeah, and what out that feels like aswell because yeah, because she might not like it, she might like. Oh Yeah. Iprefer it back there and she does. But like it, I love thatbalance, because she'll be really curious. Some days and she'll reallywant to go and she'll walk up to me and I've like got the head color on my handand she's ready and then some day she's. Just like it's a note and we have to beadaptable as human beings, because, just like us we're not the same everyday, I love it. It's like you have a tribe of horses, you included with thehorses, but you seems like you act like they are and live as if you're, all oneyeah. That's what it feels like. It's nice, that's what it feels like, and Iactually I have this conversation with my mother quite a lot, which isinteresting because she asks how the horses are. A lot- and I always end upsaying something along the lines of you know we are the same like we areliterally one element with like one moving circle of energy and like, forexample, if they have a physical issue or an emotional issue going on, I willfeel it like it's mine, and it's only when I can discern that. It's comingfrom them that I realize Oh okay, that's why? Because we're so connectedand the same thing happens on my end, if I have stuff going on they're on it,they'll either reflect it back to me or they're, trying to trigger me orsomething. You know it's there's a very, very tight bond between all of us andit's an actually an honor. You know. I didn't really think that this would happen in this way, but it has, andit's Amizin and it'll only get deeper well yeah, you've extended past thehuman roam, there's a great quote from a sports coach. That said, we becomethe average of the five people that were around the most well, in your case,you're becoming the average of the five beings or creatures that you're aroundthe most, which are at peace, they're, roaming, the country side, they're,live in the life, so in a sense, you're kind of becoming that which they areyeah, yeah, that's what it feels like and so as the dog totally and she is as much a teacher asthe horses are. I mean she's just next level. Do you have any favorite words that you could sharewith us like slang, words that mean things that we wouldn't know in EnglishM, I mean sorry ye I mean in anger, strideing it or for England Yeah Yeah.Exactly because we I mean we know normal slang, words that cool andawesome and great yeah whatever. But you know question it's funny, because you wouldn't knowwhat we don't know T. I guess that's the hard part about it, yeah and somuch of language. So we use it unconscious right. So I'm, okay, howcan I hea? Do I find okay? How about somebody left the gate to the to the the farm open and the Horse got out andyou just got pulled up and you see the gates open. What do you scream at?What's your exclamation, usually as a wad, but like a common sward like whatthe F that kind of thing yeah pretty much yeah yeah yeah, it's a definitely yeah, but nowgoing to be little things. But honestly, I'm sorry nothing's going to mind rightnow. No, that's a that's! Okay is especially interesting when I'm talkingto people from other countries, so you can say what is good mean to youand they're, like which version of good kind of good, medium, good or greatgood to you. Now it's such a good point, because at the end of the day like Iwas thinking about this the other day, actually my boyfriend- and I weretalking about how in you know in English, we say like I love you in somany different ways. It can mean so many different things, because Iwouldn't say to my dog, for example: Nilometer. I, like you very much, you know that doesn't make any senseyet would I would use that term of endearment of love and at the same timelike saying, Spanish or Portuguese, or I think, Arabic as well and otherlanguages, there are so many different ways to express different levels ofemotion, yeah- and I was thinking about that- and I I was like, Oh God, that itactually filters through throughout the...

...whole English language, because thereare so many phrases that we use that they have such a big range. You knowyou just want to Sam to range without the right words, so I just waslistening to an audio book not to digress too far, but the inuit up inAlaska. They have over two hundred separatewords for different types of snow wow like well, that's effective in becausethen you'll know. Oh, it's the slushy type of snow that about peace, sizethat gets under your tire. That makes you slide off the road. That'll bethey'll, have a name for that type of snow or they'll. Have a type of youknow the type that hangs off your roof and slides onto the driveway and likewow, we just covet now they're like no, it's yeah, pretty vague, they're whiteboy woand. I guess that's also like a pickable to your environment rightexactly like what do you need to know a lot about yet now. In that case I loveit. I love that, like edible snow right, you how to play with that's right, thegame that makes good snowman yeah yeah, I kind of causes avalanches the wholebit. I really interesting, yeah so cool. I think I have so much good stuff forour podcast here I do not have. Will you say your name and like you want tosay you're an author or something like you name and title clearly, maybe onceor twice so. I can edit that in sure okay do you want me say my name isor just my just my name as it is just a hi, I'm I am or have cool okay hi, I'm Dilara Betode, I'm anequine Crano, segra therapist and an author living in the UK with my herd offive horses was perfect. Awesome, that's great! SoYeah! This is awesome. It's going to take. I am well honest. Truth is I havea Adh D and I have a hard time going back to what I just talked about and relistening to everything I just said because it's boring to me, but anyway,that's my big contingent, so I basically in the next two or three daysI go back and edit this into roughly twenty minute podcast, a all the assalepoints, I'll make sure for sure, get your plug in there about the book,because that's exciting and I'll try to make some common sense of ourconversation without making a sound crazy, although I mean whatever, like Isaid, our audience listens to everything. So nothing we said soundsout of line for sure, but that make us sound too normal. Neither that eitherright. I want it to be just enough to where people might share it and likelearn something new about it, because I didn't know that well I'd heard ofCrana sacral therapy for humans that I didn't stop to think that it could befor other animals, especially bigger animals with much bigger craniums. Sothat's I learned something new totally and it is an amazing modality. So I'dlove the fact that I can share. I can share about with you, because nowyou've got it in your consciousness. Now I'm going to go look for it becauseI already go to the reflex ologist for foot massage. I love getting my feetmassage and I believe in that. But I've never stopped to ask he do you doskulls, because I don't think they would do it right, but now I'm on thehunt do I hope to enjoy your session. When you find someone you're an amazinghost, it was wonderful to talk to you. Thank you. You're always welcome backand, like I said I will connect you with the Horse Radio Network Gentlemanand I think you guys will just hit it off. It'll be it'll, be super cool andmaybe we can follow up in several weeks and what happened amazing, til. Thankyou. So much lovely to me me my pleasure to take care. Take a PA and now back to the wall.

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