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Dilara shares that/ Cranial sacral massage/ Helps horses heal their trauma

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Dilara shares that/

Cranial Sacral Massage/

Helps horses heal their trauma 

From the Jurassic Coast of Southwest England, we meet Dilara Pataudi, and bestselling author on Equine Craniosacral Massage Therapy and healing. 

Hi, it's Johnny motion. Welcome back to Emo Dojo today. On this signal jams, I'm going back to the UK. So the Laura, Laura Pataudi. Let me spell a couple of things here so you can look her up and I get started on your research, if you're into that, before we listen to her, so you can pull up her pages and things. Anyway, De Laura Pataudi turns out to be a best selling Amazon author on the topic of equine sacral cranial therapy. So equine means horses. Sacral cranial therapy has to do with the massaging of the skull bones and down your neck and your spine to relieve stress and, you know, fix your soul and those type of things. It's not esoteric as much as physiological. Some of these things sound like hippie magic. This particular thing is much more Canto Acu pressure and Chiropractic work. So we drop in the conversation here with the Laura and let me spell her name to its Das in David or D as in D Laura, D I Laar Ad Laura Pataudy, and that's p a t a U D I D Laura Pataudy. She's a specialist in equine sacral Cranio therapy and she lives on the South Western coast, the Jurassic coast, if you will, of England, England proper. So let's trap in and take a listen. So tell us your city and kind of try to locate us on a map the best you can. Okay. So if you are looking at a map of the UK, you have obviously it's an island, is semi triangular shape. You've got the south coast and where I am is if you again wire to draw ad a vertical line through the island, I am on the West, southwestern side of that line. So you've got essentially London, which is southeast of the UK, and then a few counties along you've got dorset, so it's kind of I'm just on the other side and mirroring London, so to speak, and then further along from me you have Devon and Cornwall and corn all is the very, very tip of the southwest point of the island. So actually that's geographically an idea. I hope that's clear. Yeah, very clear. So yeah, if I were to look at a map, your kind of a lower left England. Yes, lower left, but closer to the middle. Looking right now to mean then exactly then the very, very left, left left hand side. So, for example, the roads in England, especially where I am, they're very narrow country lanes. I mean we have like highways or motorys in or what you call them, where you are sure I will and but they're few and far between. The further south and the further to the periphery of the island you get. So to drive, for example, from me to the tip of Cornwall takes about nearly four hours, even though it's not actually relatively that far away. But that gives you a visual, I guess, a bit of a feeling of what it's like to travel through the country because it's such an old land. You know, it's starting old spirit of a place and in the roads really reflect that you're on. Are you on the coast itself? Are you want to like a port city or some kind of coastal city? Okay, so I live in a village about two to three minute drive from one of the most famous beaches in the world, which is called Turtledore, which is part of the Jurassic coast. So it's not the port city. It's literally I'm like nestled in a tiny, tiny collection of houses. Sounds lovely already too. I'll literally report it is amazing and I'm actually lucky because my space is it's right at the edge of the village, which I joined this facebook group the other day called which is were like women who lived at the edge of the village or something like that. Like yeah, it's okay, they have that is actually your village or or or of many of the different villages, many different village. So it's a type of personality. Yeah, yeah, type of like you know, stereotype. I love it. Yeah, that's fantastic. So if you live at the end of let's call it development, does so at some point, if you were to keep going along where you lived as it just kind of end and turn into nature, it's totally yeah, yeah, so if you if you go towards the ocean from me, I'm surrounded by about two thousand five hundred acres of farm land. So yeah, it's amazing. And so basically you have the village and then you keep going towards the coast past the village and it is just countryside and then you've got this beautiful Jurassic coast, which is, like I said in my email, like thirtyzero amazing years of kind of incredible rock formation. Yeah, the idea that something is that old and clearly UN untouched by development or...

...construction or anything like that. It's almost though looking back in history in a way exactly, kind of like the way you mentioned when you go to certain parts of whales. You can't really describe it, but you feel it, and I think that's the feeling I would probably get at a beach like that. M All right, you're completely right. I think it's John. It's really that feeling of what I love about here is it's a very clean energy. Every time I go to the beach and I swim in the sea all the year around and it's like it's it can be completely wild and soft at the same time. I love and the coasters has this kind of magnetic cleansing energy about it. It's like you know, and people come from all over the world to visit this collection of beaches and it's interesting because it's in the summer it's, as you can imagine, like all the beautiful places in the world all on us all. It's really busy and at the same time. You know, me and some of the other locals will go like six in the morning or last thing at night during the summer and that clean energy is still there, and I find that totally mind blowing because it's just I feel, always feel like I'm connecting to the essence of that place, like you said, of whenever formed. Yeah, and there must be some scientific basis for that too, because California has some areas that feel like that and I'm starting to wonder if it's just the nature of the way the the earth turns on its axis and the jet stream blows against the western coasts, so maybe it's constantly just slowly flushing out the the ions. For sure. Yeah, I think that that's that's that's a really important piece because at the end of the day, there are pockets that aren't like that, you know, and there's this kind of like more stami nation. Yeah, totally, and it's everything. Different craters live there and all sorts of things. We got into a conversation the other day at work about sand because my mom started collecting jars of sand from everywhere she travels and it's always amazing how different the sand is from your perception. Some of the most beautiful beaches have nearly gravel for sand. In some places, in the chromeest parts of the world, have nearly like talcum powder for sand. Tell us about the sand on your beach. Okay, so that's actually a really interesting point because so the three beaches that are closest to me, which all link together, they are not sand. They're actually pebbles, but they are these like tiny, tiny, perfect beautiful pebbles. I mean they would I think part of my conditioning as a woman living in England who wants to travel to white sandy beaches is oh, pebbly beach, that's not beautiful, but actually it's the opposite. It's like I think it's part of that cleansing en you, like I said, you know you when you sit on the pebbles or when you walk in and out of the ocean, you get that extra kind of exfoliating effect of the whole experience. Right. And Yeah, so they're beautiful and there's one tiny part of the very last beach which is sand, and that's more of a I would say it's more of a Gravelly, somewhere between gravel and talcum powder traditional. So a big scale but yeah, no, I'm imagining pretty well, because it sounds like the natural evolution from the small pebbles. I'm guessing half the size of your fingernail or something like that. Sighs. Yeah, yeah, they go and they'll range anywhere from I guess I get thumb print size. Sure too, fullhand. I'm apologize if this sounds weird, but these are interesting questions. They help me paint a picture in a lot of times people when they listen to podcast while they're driving and they actually have to think with their mind. So how do we describe a beach? So I feel that and they're like probably polished, smooth, like tiny little river rocks exactly. That's exactly it, and I think that's what's interesting is I have a river here on my property and the stones in the river are the jagged and rough. And you know, if I walk across the river and bad feet, it's with their feet. It's yeah, it's very impossible. Yeah, break your ankle just trying to avoid the books. Yeah, and but you know the beach they are. They are literally designed by the Ocean in this way that makes them smoother than you can imagine. Really it's like it's like getting into bed. Yeah, for sure, especially if the temperature is right. And they the kind that look like they've been tumbled in a rock tumbler. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, and those they make a great sound when you walk on those types of beaches too. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, if you lie in the water actually, when there's a bit of a current start a bit of a tide coming in and out, there's it's amazing audio effects that you get of you know, the relationship between the water and stones. Who I love it. There's something overrated about overly fine powdered sand to and that it gets in your trousers and your in bikinis and whatnot and it's really hard to get out of your clothes out of the car. I'm not knocking sandy beaches. I'm just saying those kind of beaches also have a...

...great benefit with the with the smaller pebble rocks. Let's NEAT. Totally, especially for swimming in the middle of winter and you're trying to get changed and it's freezing and you don't want to sound all over you. It's kind of perfect, right, right. Tell me how big is your town? Like? How many people live in your village. Okay, so at the moment for about a hundred and fifty. Wow, that's nothing. That's hardly anybody. So you have you lived there a long time? I moved here on the thirty one of May, two thousand and eighteen. So no, but you know, that's not many people, though you probably know quite a handful of them by now. Yeah, I do. I mean I was interesting is because I live with my horses and because of what I do. I'm a writer and I do healing work with animals. So it's I mean they're traveling out to treat courses or I'm writing. So I actually lead quite a solitary life and at the same time, even if that's the case with anybody, you end up meeting people who that you're meant to me right, so of course, of course. Yeah. So there's definitely a lovely group of people in the village. So there's a that's a small village. Do have a local market in in the town area or do you have to travel down the road a bit to shop that? We definitely have to travel down the road a bit. So there's a there is a shop in the village which has it doesn't have a lot in it. There's a minimal amount here. There's kind of local pastries and things like that, which is great, but for vegetables and a bigger shop to really meet more needs. Yeah, we have to either drive about twenty five minutes or what I do is I actually get local food delivered. There's a delivery there's a farm called Riverford organics sure, and they produce box totally. They diliver food, fresh organic vegetables and fruit and everything all around the country and I've all around this part of the country and so they come every Wednesday and that usually ticks all of my boxes, but sometimes I need to drive. Yeah, that's great right. Yeah, it's really nice. That's very nice. It's one of those things that they just give you whatever is in season. I guess totally it's all seasonal, but you can go online and select, which is nice to so actually it's quite a comprehensive system that it's it's nice. If you just you don't know what you want, you can just choose the seasonal box and you're it's what I like about it is that you know you're eating in with the seasons first throughout the year, so your body is getting more of a natural my body, I feel, is getting more of a natural input. Yeah, she's into I would to save my own food. Yeah, that's great. That's like the idea of eating local honey's eating food that's in season from where you live. I love it totally. I would know. I was thinking of the horses. I was thinking, like if I've ever had left over food from a produce box and I had horses, I'd like, come on, horses, let's try what we have today. Yeah, for sure. I mean there are some things that horses can't eat, but usually that's exactly what I do. And actually even I have so I have a juice every morning and I take the pulp from the juice and I offer it to them so they can self select it if they want it. And Yeah, like if there's Beech Root and carrot and the CELERY and there, they're all over it. They love it, no kidding. And Yeah, is there? Are there? Have you determined anything that they do not like? Just anything that turned their nose at? It's actually a really good question. I often don't offer it to them because I know that they're not meant to eat it. Yeah, still kind of a treat. I mean yeah, stuff like Red Pepper, I noticed they don't like. And onions. Interesting. Yeah, I know, I would have thought they like it Sol because, you know, the blood cleansing. Okay, love garlic, for example, but onions isn't know I'm saying exactly. Tell me about your healing work that you do. Do you bring people out to the village and stay with you? And how does how like you're healing people, I assume when you're using horses to do the healing. So know, what I actually do is I'm an equine Corneo sacral therapist, so I treat the horses themselves. I yeah, it's really amazing work, John. I'm so lucky to be able to do this. It's I've been doing now for about eight years and I still feel like I'm, you know, a student of the horses. Really it's just incredible, such a big piece of art to work with too. So crainios, I'm not correct me if I say around Cranio Sacral, I believe is the right term. Right. Yeah, that's and so for what I recall just in my study of all things interesting is that's the basically the massaging of a head and knowing all the pressure points, kind of like reflexology in a sense, but in your head. Is that close, very, very close? Yeah, I love the fact you mentioned reflexology because it definitely touches or is relates closer to reflexology and acupuncture and osteopathy to say massage or anything that is more manipulative of the body. It's actually a Kranasacual is borne out of osteopathy. So does that join me to clarify that, or does that make that makes sense to me, but clarify a little more for our audience. They'd honestly don't know who listens. It's a bunch of crazy people listen to my show. So amazing. Okay, we love crazy people. I'm one...

...of them. So right. So kranosacul itself is a very, very light, hands on technique used all over the body, but focusing on something called the core link, which is the relationship between the head and the pelvis through the spine. So what we believe and what's been proven time and time again, is that you know specific parts of the head, but the head in general mirrorsm will reflect what's happening with the spine and vite was happening with the pelvis and vice versa. So we work with something called a kranosacral system, which is just a very light movement within the body, and we are getting too technical from that point on with that's a generally word it is. So there's a lot of focus on the cranium, there's a lot of focus on the pelvis, but it's a whole body practice and a whole body modality and it's incredible. It's the type of work that really helps you realize how much can happen with a soft touch and how subtle the body can actually be. You know, because I think a lot of the time, I sure people want it hard and rough or like deep tissue and that sort of thing. But man, because when I had a partner, the my favorite thing when you would just like kind of absent mindedly scratch my shaved head like I was her pet cat or something. I never told her this, but I'm like a rare I mean I really like that feeling. I'm like, this is great, don't stop that, but I didn't want to say it because it seems kind of weird. But making man, that's there's something to that for sure. That's why I looked into it. Yeah, it's so funny that he said I love it, because my partner loves the same thing. He's just as soon as I touched his head, he's that's it ridiculously effective. It's yeah, so bad. It's worse than chocolate. Yeah, it's I think that. So what are you feeling for on any skull, but in particular you work with horses. But are you feeling for like veins or bloods, or do you know where the pressure points, where the nerves are like? What are you feeling for? So that's a pretty good question. I mean it's often it's actually a very, very non specific focus. So, for example, so like an energy healer, right, because I'm a friend. That's an energy so yours kind of like a dowsing stick of sorts. So you're a human dowsing stick in this sense. The Stop me if I'm being too crude, but I mean so you're literally feeling for the misalignments, let's call them. Totally. But I think there's a world like about this. Is that does there's a nice balance between, say, science and spirituality of side, the scientific element of it, and the energetic side, because we have we go through, especially with horses, because obviously, like humans, every horse is different and horses are ridden. So you know, you've got essentially buy mechanics and posture which are completely affected by another, either one other person or throughout their life. You know, hundreds of different people riding them, equipment, bits, tap shoes, like so many things, right, so so many external stimuli which affect their their wellbeing, and so there's a whole assessment that we go through first, which is looking at their posture, the way they move, also analyzing the head itself to look at our the eyes in line. It's so many different things. So there's a real like analysis first, which honestly doesn't take that long once you know we're looking forward. It's a very, very important piece because after that that's where you go in and you use, you know, with your intention and the energy work and the knowledge of the different handholds in the anatomy. That's where you go in and you focus essentially on brick helping that body to come back into a state of homeostasis and balance. But it's mainly through the energy is a huge piece the energy work. But you have to know you're anatomy. You have to be able to understand the relationship between the cranial bones and then different systems in the body. Yeah, that's that seems like the hard part right there, because how many bones are on a typical horsehead? Doesn't really that, probably does he? Yes, it's something that's twenty in total. I could be wrong, actually, any to that's a real question. Sure there's not like one or two bones like we assume the human skull is. There's like multiple parts and pieces. The jars. You do the job. I'm assuming that's yeah right, because that's really important moving part, really important part. We do that. I love the fact you mentioned the jaw, because the mandible the jaws, same with us. It's like one of the most important pattern setters in the body. So it like sets the trend for what's going on everywhere else. So, and especially because horses have such big jaws, they have bit, they have like changing teeth, like all this amazing stuff linked to the jaw and they're always grinding, because I think of people like humans with T MJ and I'm like wow, seems like the really common thing for a horse to have that but never to be able to tell a doctor about it exactly. And I think that that's where therapists, the body workers, whether it's cranny cycle therapy or anybody who has a really good knowledge base of the cranium and the movement within the head is going to be looking...

...for signs. Like you know, is the matter? What's the range of movement? So in the jaw, for example, like, how are they eating? You don't mind that I'm asking any more about this than where you live right now, do you? Because this is super persons. Is Great. Yeah, I love this. So can you detect? Okay, so who brings you a horse? Are they pet so their former champions as studs? Are they race or like? What? What's the nature of the horses that you see? So at the moment it depends where I live, because I was living in Hampshire before, which is a county set further into the center of the country, and when I was sitting there I saw a lot of dress our horses. Jump at horses. It to dress out and jumping and racing and inventing. So, yeah, horses that were competing a lot. where I live now I treat a lot of people who, yes, they have their horses as pets, they take them out on Hacks, they may be do a bit of jumping here and there, but it's very low key. So, but they're performing horses and in a way it sounds like you're almost like a sports therapist for horses. I think that it's funny that you say that, because my perspective is really there's an element of, you know, I want to help bring the horse back into balance, but then there's an educational part where the owner, you know, not needs to realize that's a bit heart of a harsh way to say it, but the owner ends up realizing that, okay, their horse maybe was a bit more out of balance and they presumed sure, and so with the body work, then maybe they need to ride them less for a period of time. So it's less like, you know, say, a sports therapist for an athlete who's then going to go out and run immediately. He's going to write from again. No, it almost maybe a sports a sports therapist for child athletes whose parents are riding them too hard. That's kind of a good analogy. Yeah, that that's more accurate. Its going to take them back because they look, the Horse is fine, you're just abusing the poor guy. Lighten up a little bit totally. Yeah, well, that was that's why I started ask that line of question. I'm like, wow, if you're a healer, can't in the exchange when the the horse comes to you, invariably you meet the owner at some point. I was wondering like do you, do you ever detect abuse in a horse's history after you start working, because that screwed up and these start wondering like was this abuse come from the current possessor of this horse, or is it just abused as a baby? Or there's a lot that could come out through that kind of thing, and I'm like wow, I mean it's yes, there is that, and I think that what happens in the assessment phase is it's like when I go in with my crany sacral lends. I'm okay, what do I need to do? How do I to show up and provide and hold space for this horse through what I know in order to help it just feel more balance, because so many horses side a balance. That's the thing and it starts there the so that's really what I'm focusing on. Often, of course, I will meet the owner and the owner will often bring their emotions to the table because, of course, like I learned this in two thousand and thirteen when I first started practicing. For me, I personally believe and have felt that you cannot affect one without effecting the other and vice versa. They are so linked. Yep, the owner and the Horse, even if the owner is in the horses life all the time, there is an intrinsic connection between the human and the Horse which is undeniable. And so it's it's an energy thing, it's a mirror, it's a reflection, you know. Often. Yeah, of course, is really wild it because when you see these this could really be analogous to a parent child relationship the horse owner and the Horse, like we're because I'm just thinking all these times through I used to work with kids in a juvenile center kind of place and and that was the issue a lot of times. There was just a misalignment on the understanding of the roll of the Horse or the child in the relationship with the person that was supposed to care for them. Yeah, and it's interesting because I feel like with horses, first of well, yes, I completely agree with what you're saying, and with horses there's an element of a lot of owners will have horses, especially if they're not competing they'll have the horses because they need an escape, yeah, from their life and so and they might know that consciously, they might not. You know, it's it really depends on the person. Some people will completely comfortably say, yeah, this is my this is way from the rest of my life with my horse. But what that means is that of course all of their emotions and all of their baggage is actually entering the relationship with the horse. Now, that's not wrong, it's just we need to become, as humans, obviously much more conscious about what we're really feeling. And when we do that it's much easier to connect with horses, because their language is really is really all about emotions and all about shooting. That's how they connect and communicate. That's that's really amazing. Let Me Stop Right here just...

...say Gary has entered our room. I don't know if you can see him down there. Hey, gary, I can't say hello. Hello. I apologize for my tardiness. I needed my sleep. LEEP. You got to echo going on over there, Gary? Yeah, I don't know why. I try so anyway. With the horses. This is interesting that you mentioned that, because I had a long relationship with horses, starting back when I was a kid, I had a friend who lived in the countryside and we used they had hunting horses, which I wasn't used to. I got to their house and they said we're going to go shoot guns on horseback and like that sounds nuts because I wasn't into guns and I had rid a horse. I just I knew I'd seen that kind of scenario on cowboy movies back in the black and white days, but I'm like what, that doesn't sound right. At any rate, I ended up not not shooting the gun because I liked my horse too much. They threw me on that like the old bessie kind of horse. It was a man male horse. It liked me, though, so we got long swimming Lee and it got to trotten with me and I would talk to it. And Yeah, they did. I don't think they liked the shooting bit at all, but anyway, so after that, the next time I got around a horse, I'm sorry, go ahead, then I go for a sorry, I think the the we had been of a cross over that. Yeah, so the next time I saw a horse again. Now I'm a roving teenager at this point, about sixteen, experimenting with the drugs and I was on some LSD and there's a horse near a field where I lived and I hung out with it for about twenty minutes. We just stared at each other's eyes and loved each other and, yeah, I felt a fully at peace, and I'm pretty sure he was, because it wasn't acting odd. You know, you probably thought, who's this weird person staring at me, but I don't know, I've always had a kind of interesting relationship with horses. But now that I think of I live in a place now where there's lots of horses and lots of cattle. It's Indian country in the middle of the United States, right, wow, exactly. It's police called Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, wow, yeah, and just it's cowboys everywhere. I'm not from here, so I'm a stranger in a really strange land to me, but there's plenty of happy horses running around. So I keep thinking of like, man, I'd like to have a place with the Horse, but having this conversation with you now, thinking will do. I because what would have happened for I guess as a pet in a really pretty yard, lots of stuff to do, but now I don't think I'd ever want to ride him unless I he gave me his permission. You know, I'd have to get a really giant horse to where my two hundred pounds doesn't really affect him, and ask his permission each morning. Hey Bob, would you mind ride today? And if he gives me the nod, I guess I would go. I would have a really weird relationship with horses from now moving forward. Amazing. I love everything he said to because is it's your question is so relevant to the industry and the of itself. Is Why? How, essentially, if we're going to have horses, how can we have them in our lives and enjoy them and also it be a kind of a symbiosis of okay, is the Horse happy too? Is The horse connected to me? The horses needs met in every way that it would be, you know, if it was in the wild, as you know, as much as possible. And there's this element of I used to ride it. That was what I did for a long time. I was a rider and then, cut a long story short, I stopped riding and I trained a Schronocycle therapist and and I had a crossover of okay, God, I'm still a ride. I really miss it, but I don't want to do it because I gu see all these horses are out of balance of them. What do I do about that? And, Oh my God, it's a conundrum inside me. So, anyway, what I learned, though, over the years is that there is such a deep connection to be had with an animal. I'm just going to horses in this instant. We're talking about horses, but it's with an animal when we choose to show up from a deeper place within ourselves, and that can look like anything. It can look like just going and sitting with an animals, tearing into its eyes, like you did, and feeling peace. It can look like, you know, taking your dog for walk every day and being mindful of your connection. It Cann't like anything, but that's really available for humanity. That's the thing, and it it works both ways. It's a win win, because animals are hit to connect with us, and the more we can connect with them, the will we understand them and so the more we can provide for them. And I do feel that what you're talking about in touching one is is amazing, because, in my opinion, the industry really needs to change, because these horses are abused and they all overused. And that again, is it's not right or wrong, it's just what's happened over the years. But it's not sustainable. That's the thing. It's yeah, well, and it's just not as humane as we could be. Once people know, once they hear a story like this, I would think kind human or humane person would double think everything, because now I'm thinking on down the line. How many other animals do we utilize as work, animals that don't necessarily want to work? Clearly...

...many dogs like being around human companions, where they seem to and they seem to bide by their training just fine and they don't seem to be overworked. Police dogs and some fire dogs maybe get put into unnecessary danger, in my mind, but anyway. Like but now I'm like, is this even fair to put dogs into dangerous situations like send a German shepherd into a burning pile of rubble to sniff out humans? Is that? Yeah, it's great for humans, for sure, but is that? Is it the ethical thing to do just because we're on top of the food chain and figured out how to manipulate the other creatures? And that's the thing, is that at the end of the day, that's what I meant about becoming conscious, right. Yeah, when we become a where and when we weak, when we wake up to actually what we're doing emotionally, psychologically, everything, you know will will recognize those elements of, say, manipulation to get our needs met or just, you know, offloading our emotions or projecting or our perceptions or our belief systems or everything. The minute we start breaking those things down, you're just you. You access this part of yourself which is innately able to connect to an animal at a deeper level because you are prepared to witness yourself at a deeper level. And it's just a it's just an immediate reflection. I mean it's you know, if I have things that come up for me emotionally that I don't address, I'm with my horses every day, twice or three times a day. I connect with them every day and meditation and if I have stuff that I'm not addressing, they will let me know instantly and it just is a either a matter of time until I, you know, really wake up to what's going on and become mindful of it, or it'll happen straight away. But one way or another it's going to happen and that always enables me to hear them at a deeper level. Yeah, I think it's what you said just second to go to earlier about being present, that that's really where it all starts, isn't it? Just the acknowledge that that's not an object, that's a that's a creature like us. And I don't I mean I'm not even a hippie like you know what I mean. I'm a smoke some pot, but I'm not like a Hippie Tree Huger, necessarily guy. I'm just a regular dude. So I hope other people out there that are regular people can kind of move the move the notch a little bit forward and realize that we are all connected. If you want to go like teenage vibe, like Avatar, where the earth is connected to the trees and the people, I mean that Shit, that is the thing. That's what's really going on here, and I don't know, this audience on this particular show will definitely go along with this vibe, because we talked about these types of things, just things that, like are deeper than normal, pretty frequently. So I love this especially. I had a question in my mind, but now I forgot it because busy talk. You know, it's it's necessary. I feel like what we're talking about is it's just a necessary part of our awakening, end of the part of a part of life, you know, the end of the day. Like it right, it was part of life to that's what's really weird. A lot of people think, Oh, you guys are trying to be woke or hippies or, you know, metaphysical or whatever. I'm like, no, this is the way humans were like two hundred years ago before this fucking industrial revolution destroyed everything. We used to be. This way, we're just getting back to wait, where he baked, back to alignment totally, and I think that what comes to mind now is actually this element of, you know, we the the fact is is that we have a huge range within us, like you know, in terms of being connected or disconnected. You can go from me feeling completely disconnected and completely alone and completely whatever, you know, not in touch with life for yourself, to the other end of the spectrum, and you know where you feel connected to every everything, to nature, your animals, yourself, your family. I mean literally every day, all the time, you're present, and that's such an expansive state and because we have that range in my mind and thinking, well, you know, are we meant to be then in that state more often, because we can enter it, like you know? And yes, it's how humans used to be. It's also how we never lost it really, just we covered it a member. Yeah, we covered up with the gadgets and things that attract our attention in other ways. So yeah, that attentiveness thing. Man. So when how do you get work? Do you it's the village isn't big enough to support you? Do you get on the Internet and like promote your services? I do, so I have have my website and I'm on instagram and Facebook, and I'm also on Google. As you know, somebody types in equine crany sake of therapist in my area, they're going to find me. So I'm on line and I also get clients through word of mouth, which I love, because I love both ways. But I do find that very a very grounded, kind of natural flow to follow, you know, when somebody just says you know, because then that person's actually had an experience of you don't have to criteria or yeah,...

...and you don't have to get past the hippie thing, the like crystals and magic thing. Right. Well, you mean in terms of I would have to explain that. That's what's you know what I'm saying. I'm not saying that derisively. I say because I'm into like everything and sometimes when I approach certain topics I get the eye roll that Oh, you're you're what, and I'm like a healer. So I'm like, I think when you get word of mouth, they're already into the healing, they're already really into their horses to the point where they're looking for help, and I think those are probably great leads to yeah, actually, what you touched on is a really interesting topic in terms of the use of the word healer and the association that we currently have with that, in terms of it not being again like this element of it not being scientific or provable or whatever, you know. And but in terms of you to ask your question. Yes, I mean it's where I like about carnosacral as well as that. It is we have that anatomical very yeah, that's hard science. There are there are muscles there, Nerlia and there are veins going through there and they all carry energy that's been measured by science. So yeah, and it's U it's interesting because a lot of the ghost side treat I'm actually the last point of call, which I do always find fascinating, where you know there's an issue, a physical issue with the Horse, where they've called the Bat, they've got the back person, the Physio, the car practice. Honey, gotta try the Western Medicine First, try poo. My Dog's gonna Bout. Somebody comings the door. I'm just gonna let that. That meant one second the girl. I'll just listen. Cool, Hey, okay, so we've got puppies too. How? Yeah, I have a dog, Nyla. She's amazing. Is it like a healer type of dog? Oh my God, you hit the nail on the head. She is a complete out of the seven of us, like my five horses, me and her, she is the healer. She is the one. Yeah, she is. Honestly, it's what everybody says. She'll just jump into your lap and provide you with what you need without yeah, it's incredible. She just puts my mind so great. Yeah, I got I'm trying to figure out how to get back to your town. Do you how do the people in your town think of you, or did you just you just is it a small a village to wear just doesn't matter. It's like, Oh, we all do our own weird things. No, it's the complete opposite. I am definitely like, you know, the tree hugging, Crystal Intense Burning Horse Talker, you know, crazy lady at the end of the village, and I'm actually about half the age of everybody who lives in the village, even a better. So you're some new hippie that talks to horses. I love it. Yeah, it's a really interesting experience for me next week. Well, it's funny because, like, you could flippantly say she talks to horses, but really you're doing reflexology on their skulls, which is something that's that's the part I don't understand, where people just kind of detach themselves from real science and try to layer it with their own preconceived notions about it, what I like to call unproven science. I think all the things that people talk smack about nowadays will eventually be proven. Again, we just can't test now, even if you like. I've done episodes about people who feel electro magnetic frequencies tinfoil hat type of people. I'm not. I mean it's kind of funny to me because I don't have that condition right. I'm just kind of an asshole and things that don't affect we don't affect me. But I hold it out there that they might actually be more sensitive than everybody else and we just haven't been able to prove it yet. So for sure, and so that's why I think talking to horses is not weird at all. Yeah, and you know, it's interesting because that's the thing it's most of the time, when I tell people that that's what I do, they that's this level of acceptance, almost as though they want to be part of that train of thought, which is very interesting because again, to me what that highlights is, okay, people, at the end of the day, deep down what we really want is connection, and it feels so good to be able to say, Oh, yeah, I completely know we're talking about all the OPOSITE, to be able to at least be curious, to say, Hey, can you tell me about that so that I can connect with what you're saying. And then, you know, I have met a few people who absolutely just they don't get it at all, which is fine too, because everybody is meant to have their own perspective and that's what makes life interesting, but, you know, I do everything. It's, you know, undeniable. Everything is energy. It doesn't matter whether it's a conversation or a horse or a pen, you know, and so the...

...way that we interact with those different elements of life is very, very personal. And when for me, when I'm able to connect with the horses, they have such a heart centered energy and that is, you know, it's an offering. There always gifting humanity something, even in the most abusive situations. Like I went to work in Egypt and you know, they I worked in equine hospital who provide medical treatment for the horses and donkeys in the area, and so I saw some pretty extreme cases and even then, even in those, you know, really dire states, the horses you can feel they're still capable of offering something to you, even if it's just a breath of presents, like it's still there. That's name. I've never thought about horses that way. That's a great way to think of horse. Do you ever? Have you ever been fearful of working with the horse just due to their size? It's not like a dog or a cat or a midsize animal. That's a big beast of it decided to have an episode. Right. Yeah, it's a love the fact that you ask that, because this happened to me for the first time two days ago. Up until this point, no, I'd always I've been cautious, sure, in terms of like reading the situation and being mindful of the fact that the horse is either, you know, you get explosive forces, for example, especially when you're working on the cranium and you're helping the body unwind. The body's energy needs to release like it came in. So there's often an explosion of energy and the Horse will can react physically where they're going to jump up or shake their heads, run around or bite or anything. But you know, you as a therapist, you're mindful of that. But I was treating a horse two days ago and he he's been in quite a little discomfort. He's very young still, and he was really, really, really trying to bite me and he was huh yeah, and for me, I said to the owner, she's amazing. She just you know, she just sticks with it and stays present in his sessions. And I said, well, it's the first time I've I've said to an owner, please, can you make sure that his you're holding his head properly or you're holding him so that he can't get to me. And I looked at that because again, like I said to you, it's Ay. What is that reflecting in me? Where is my energy? What am I doing? Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, you want to check make sure it's not me? It could be me, maybe understore another the room. Yeah, yeah, that's final. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you're okay and I'm sure things are going to work out with that horse. But there's always a challenge, right, there's always going to be something that pushes your limits and reminds you of a you know what you're really doing there, because it's it can't all be easy, horse completely, and I think that it's just that's why we're here as well. Let's just to remind each other of what's going on in the present moment. Yeah, tell me just about your locale like what you sound really busy in, like you have a really fulfilled mind. Do you partake in entertainment, like watch the telly or listen to music much? I listened to music and I don't Really Watch TV. I've been through phases of using TV as a way to, you know, process something or disconnect but now I don't watch TV on a regular basis. I spend a lot of time outside and I do listen to music and I love to play music. I play the piano, but the horse is can the horses here that from? They can sometimes. Yeah, they haven't. I haven't been able to take the piano outside and play to them, but they they have hang pan as well, which I've played them a few times and they love that. Well, yeah, I hang pan. What's that? It's it's that drum that it does is not a drum. It's it looks like a spaceship and you sit it in your law yeah, so I saw that an instagram. Looks like, I think the gold in a moon drum, but I think it's the same thing. Yeah, I've never heard of called that, but that's interesting, a moon drum. I like it. Yeah, you know, they give it a fancy name on instagram and try to sell them for twice the price. But yeah, I'm a drummer, Gary as a drummer two, so we're always in the drum stuff. The so what's if you play piano? The and what kind of music do you listen to? A whole different range. So I love classical music. I Love Soft Rock. I'm also an RMB, like a s rb hip hop girl, so I love that. And mostly American artists or English artists, you know, mostly mostly American. Interesting. I was wonder how far the American music reaches, like, I mean we all speak English and American English almost in many cases, so it seems kind of unfair that American music is so prevalent in many places. Yeah, I mean it's stretches pretty far. I got to say. Like if if you're into the s hip hop and RMB seen as far as I've experienced anyway, it's mostly American artists and I think in the S I was into either like some gangster rap like Tupac, or conscious hip hop, like, I don't know, epmd. Yeah, okay, so, yeah, I'm to pack. Is More mine right. I definitely wasn't into consciousive, but when I was growing up I'm not even bad. So I've just taken what I used to listen to.

Is is a teenage general rundown. Yeah, I love that. I think it's actually an amazing it's amazing. It's a if you can wrap well and have lyrical value, then it's pretty impressive really impressive. I mean, like I said, I'm a drummer. That's why I like rap a lot. I'm not a poet or I can write good Hiku and I can play the drums, but I cannot assemble the too. So anybody that can assemble the two and not down like a dorky white guy gets points from me for sure. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I actually in terms of the back of your question of how do I get clients, I would love to. I'm about to release a book. I would love to mention that. If that's okay with you, please do yeah, this is after the thing is for plugin. Like, what else do we get to do? Let's promote some stuff. Amazing. Okay, thanks. So it's called the healing language of forces and it's set to release on June first, and what it is is a collection of messages from my heard of forces to humanity which I gathered over a boy a three year period of just sitting in the field with them and writing and writing and writing, a listening and everything we've already discussed in terms of doing my own selfdevelopment work and shadow work help me hear them at a deeper level. So that book is set to release on June first and I have a poetry book which I released at the beginning of April which is an international number one best seller. Getting congratulations. Oh No, I shouldn't be surprised. You said you were a writer. We didn't connect on the on the out of the context that eat that you were a writer. So I didn't really dig deep into that. But yeah, you're a writer, so of course you have books, but having a number one book of poetry, come on, that's amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah, it is. It is an amazing feeling and it's I think it's again. It's just that opportunity to connect with people. Okay, so to connect with people. I randomly connected with the person that I will connect you to offline. Amazing. And so I was doing. Oh, I wanted to start podcast on the sign business and I wanted to find out how people successfully do advertising specifically. So I heard a podcaster about a podcaster. Well, the second podcaster was this guy who runs the Horse Radio Network. I looked into it. This guy has like eighteen different shows, all on horses. He goes like to Joe's Hay and Grain Storm in Massachusetts and we'll get like two hundred dollars for ad spot. So he just goes out. He doesn't worry about download numbers or subscribers or anything. He goes straight out to the horse people gets ads for their stuff and all the shows are talking about horse it's every morning. He does horse talk radio like every morning of the weekdays. Wow, your book would be amazing and he's a really kind guy. I think you would make an amazing interview for that as well. So it's incredible. Yeah, I love the synchronicity. Yeah, definitely have to hook you up with him because, wow, I'm this is going to be awesome. Like once you once you say you had something to promote. My promoter mind kicks and I'm like, Oh, yeah, that guy promote that book makes some money. Yeah, you know, feed for the horses and whatnot. So how many horses do you have collectively, like how much land and how much? How many like people or horse people do you got up there? I'll call. So I have five horses and I have twenty acres of land and that's it. The last rounds the house, which for me is amazing. So I can actually see the horses from pretty much every angle when I'm in the house at some point so I can check on them, or at least connect with them and see them. First thing in the morning. When are you like? They can always check on yeah, they'll see if the lights on or they hear you make us some noise. That sounds like food time. They probably totally I know what I like is in the morning I can just open the door and call them and they'll hear me and they for example, sometimes I'll even be in the kitchen if I start doing there a bit later, like feeding them a bit later. I'll be in my kitchen and one of my horses who I'm particularly connected to. His name is Florenzo, and he will know that I'm up. I know he can't hear me, sure, because I'd say just walk downstairs or something and not made a lot of noise, but he'll know that I'm awake and he'll Winnie and then I just I just start laughing im like right, I'll just go outside now, and there is no escaping the guy usually like a watch dog horse or watch horse. So okay. Well, you're really close to a beach, but we talked about whether or not we ride horses. Do you ever walk your horses to the beach, on the beach or ride them on the beach. No, I don't do any of those things on the beach. Okay, it's it's really unexciting, I know, but it's you know, horses are really very love about them is that they love to explore, they love to see new places. They are animals who will roam hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of miles naturally. So they have that switched on in their brain. They're like, oh, great, a new place. Curiosity engaged and at the same time they are very, very grounded. So, for example, my horse is love to be here. This is their temple right. They're fine. Yeah, they're like teenagers kicking it, playing their xbox on the couch.

They're like, we're good, this is fine here. Like Quarantine. What quarantine, which is what we always do? Totally. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and it's some. But I do have a young horse who I will take out in hand on the road to give her some experience because she's really on. I got her when she was a year old, and so my other horses are say sixteen and twenty two and seventeen and twenty three, so all around a similar age and because she's so young. You know, I wanted her to have some life experience so that if anything happens like, okay, suddenly we need to move guys, you need to jump on a lorry and drive down the road, she's not going to, you know, she at least it's fair for her to have some association with the outside. Well, so speak. So, oh, yeah, yeah, you cou'd be like homeschooling a kid forever or some yeah, you gotta let him out a little bit. Take him out to the mall him get into a little trouble. Neat other people. Take her to the cinema now and again. Yes, play at the seed in their head that there's an out there somewhere exactly, and we're out there. Feels like as well. Because, yeah, because you might not like it. She might like, Oh, yeah, I prefer it back there, and she does. But like it's I love that balance because she'll be really curious some days and she'll really want to go and she'll walk up to me and I've like got the head color of my hand and she's ready, and there's day she's just like it's a no. Yeah, and we have to be adaptable as human beings. Because, just like us, we're not the same every day. I love it. It's like you have a a tribe of horses. You included with the horses, but you seems like you act like they are in live, as if you're all one. Yeah, that's what it feels like. It's nice. That's what it feels like and I actually I have this conversation with my mother quite a lot, which is interesting, because she asks how the horses are a lot and I always end up saying something along the lines of, you know, we are the same, like we are literally one element. We like one moving circle of energy and like, for example, if they have a physical issue or an emotional issue going on, I will feel it like it's mine and it's only when I can discern that it's coming from them that I realize, Oh, okay, that's why, because we're so connected and the same thing happens on my end. If I have stuff going on, they're on it. They'll either reflect it back to me or they're trying to trigger me or something. You know, it's there's a very, very tight bond between all of us and it's an actually an honor. You know, I didn't really think that this would happen in this way, but it has and it's amazing and it'll only get deeper. Well, yeah, you've extended past the human realm. There is a great quote from a sports coach that said we become the average of the five people that were around the most. Well, in your case you're becoming the average of the five beings or creatures that you're around the most. Would are at peace, they're roaming the countryside, there live in the life. So in the sense you're kind of becoming that which they are. Yeah, yeah, that's what it feels like. It's so is the dog totially, and she is as much a teacher as the horses all. I mean, she's just nic level. Do you have any favorite words that you could share with us, like slang words that mean things that we wouldn't know in English? Hmm, I mean, sorry to mean in English, from English, from for England. Yeah, yeah, exactly, because we, I mean we know normal slang words. That cool and awesome and great. Yeah, whatever, but you know, such a question. Okay, it's funny because you wouldn't know what we don't know. That, I guess that's the hard part about it. Yeah, and so much of language. So we use it unconscious right. So I'm okay, how can I? How do I find okay, how about somebody left the gate to the to the farm open and the Horse got out and you just got pulled up and you see the gates open. What do you scream at? What's your exclamation? Usually a swell word like a commis would like, what the F? That kind of thing. Yeah, okay, pretty much. Yeah, yeah, that's a definitely yeah, but not a going to be little things, but honestly, I'm sorry, nothing so much to mind right now. Now, that's it. That's okay. It's especially interesting when I'm talking to people from other countries. So you could say, what does good mean to you and they're like which version of good, kind of good, medium good or great good tells you know, it's such a good point because at the end of the day, like I was thinking about this other day actually, my boyfriend and I were talking about how in you know, in English, we say like I love you in so many different ways. It can mean so many different things, because I wouldn't say to my dog, for example, Nila, oh matter, I like you very much. You know, that just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, would. I would use that term of Endim and of love and at the same time, like say in Spanish or Portuguese or, I think Arabic as well, and other languages, there are so many different ways to express different levels of emotion. Yeah, and I was thinking about that and I was like, Oh God, that it actually filters through throughout the whole English language, because...

...there are so many phrases that we use that they have such a big range. You know, you just want to send to range without the right words. So I just was listening to an audiobook. Not to digress too far, but the inuit up in Alaska they have over two hundred separate words for different types of snow. Wow, I'm like, well, that's effective then, because then you'll know, oh it's the slushy type of snow that about piece size, that gets under your tire, that makes you slide off the road. That'll be they'll have a name for that type of snow. Or they'll have a type of you know, the type that hangs off your roof and slides onto the driveway, and like wow, that we just call it snow. They're like no, it's, yeah, pretty vague. They're white boy wow, and I guess that's also like applicable to your environment, right, exactly, like what do you need to know a lot about? Yeah, Snow. In that case, I love it. I love that, like edible snow, right. Yeah, so as to play with. That's right, the guy that makes good snow men. Yeah, that kind of causes avalanches. The whole bits really interesting. Yeah, so cool. I think I have so much good stuff for our podcasts here. I do not have. Will you say your name and like you want to say you're an author or something like? Your name and title clearly, maybe once or twice so I can edit that in. Sure. Okay, do you always say my name is or just my just my name, because it is just say hi. I'm I am or hi. Cool. Okay, Hi, I'm D Laura Petaudi. I'm an equine Cranio sacral therapist and an author living in the UK with my herd of five horses. Was Perfect. Awesome. That's great. So, yeah, this is awesome. It's going to take. I am well, it's honest. Truth is, I have a adhd and I have a hard time going back to what I just talked about and re listening to everything I just said. Because it's boring to me. But anyway, that's my big conten to. So I basically in the next two or three days, I go back and edit this into roughly twenty minute podcast of all the assalient points. I'll make sure, for sure, to get your plug in there about the book, because that's exciting, and I'll try to make some common sense of our conversation with that making us sound crazy, although I mean whatever. Like I said, our audience listens to everything, so nothing we said sounds out of line, for sure, but they make us sound too normal. Neither that either. Right. I want it to be just enough to where people might share it and like learn something new about it, because I didn't know that. Well, I'd heard of Cranio sacral therapy for humans that I didn't stop to think that it could be for other animals, especially bigger animals with much bigger craniums. So that's I learned something new totaling and it is an amazing modality. So I'd love the fact that I can share, I can share about with you, because now you've got to in your consciousness. Now I'm going to go look for it because I already go to that the reflex ologist for foot massage. I love getting my feet massage and I believe in that, but I never stopped to ask, Hey, do you do skulls, because I don't think they would do it right. But now I'm on the hunt. I hope to enjoy your session when you find someone. You're an amazing host. It was wonderful to Talt you. Thank you. You're always welcome back and, like I said, I will connect you with the Horse Radio Network, gentleman, and I think you guys will just hit it off. It'll be a it'll be super cool and maybe we can follow up in several weeks and it's would happened. Amazing, John. Thank you so much. I love you. To meet you much pleasure to take care. Take okay, and now back to the wall.

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