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Dilara shares that/ Cranial sacral massage/ Helps horses heal their trauma

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Dilara shares that/

Cranial Sacral Massage/

Helps horses heal their trauma 

From the Jurassic Coast of Southwest England, we meet Dilara Pataudi, and bestselling author on Equine Craniosacral Massage Therapy and healing. 

Hi, it's Johnny motion. Welcomeback to Emo Dojo today. On this signal jams, I'm going back tothe UK. So the Laura, Laura Pataudi. Let me spell a coupleof things here so you can look her up and I get started on yourresearch, if you're into that, before we listen to her, so youcan pull up her pages and things. Anyway, De Laura Pataudi turns outto be a best selling Amazon author on the topic of equine sacral cranial therapy. So equine means horses. Sacral cranial therapy has to do with the massagingof the skull bones and down your neck and your spine to relieve stress and, you know, fix your soul and those type of things. It's notesoteric as much as physiological. Some of these things sound like hippie magic.This particular thing is much more Canto Acu pressure and Chiropractic work. So wedrop in the conversation here with the Laura and let me spell her name toits Das in David or D as in D Laura, D I Laar AdLaura Pataudy, and that's p a t a U D I D Laura Pataudy. She's a specialist in equine sacral Cranio therapy and she lives on the SouthWestern coast, the Jurassic coast, if you will, of England, Englandproper. So let's trap in and take a listen. So tell us yourcity and kind of try to locate us on a map the best you can. Okay. So if you are looking at a map of the UK,you have obviously it's an island, is semi triangular shape. You've got thesouth coast and where I am is if you again wire to draw ad avertical line through the island, I am on the West, southwestern side ofthat line. So you've got essentially London, which is southeast of the UK,and then a few counties along you've got dorset, so it's kind ofI'm just on the other side and mirroring London, so to speak, andthen further along from me you have Devon and Cornwall and corn all is thevery, very tip of the southwest point of the island. So actually that'sgeographically an idea. I hope that's clear. Yeah, very clear. So yeah, if I were to look at a map, your kind of alower left England. Yes, lower left, but closer to the middle. Lookingright now to mean then exactly then the very, very left, leftleft hand side. So, for example, the roads in England, especially whereI am, they're very narrow country lanes. I mean we have likehighways or motorys in or what you call them, where you are sure Iwill and but they're few and far between. The further south and the further tothe periphery of the island you get. So to drive, for example,from me to the tip of Cornwall takes about nearly four hours, eventhough it's not actually relatively that far away. But that gives you a visual,I guess, a bit of a feeling of what it's like to travelthrough the country because it's such an old land. You know, it's startingold spirit of a place and in the roads really reflect that you're on.Are you on the coast itself? Are you want to like a port cityor some kind of coastal city? Okay, so I live in a village abouttwo to three minute drive from one of the most famous beaches in theworld, which is called Turtledore, which is part of the Jurassic coast.So it's not the port city. It's literally I'm like nestled in a tiny, tiny collection of houses. Sounds lovely already too. I'll literally report itis amazing and I'm actually lucky because my space is it's right at the edgeof the village, which I joined this facebook group the other day called whichis were like women who lived at the edge of the village or something likethat. Like yeah, it's okay, they have that is actually your villageor or or of many of the different villages, many different village. Soit's a type of personality. Yeah, yeah, type of like you know, stereotype. I love it. Yeah, that's fantastic. So if you liveat the end of let's call it development, does so at some point, if you were to keep going along where you lived as it just kindof end and turn into nature, it's totally yeah, yeah, so ifyou if you go towards the ocean from me, I'm surrounded by about twothousand five hundred acres of farm land. So yeah, it's amazing. Andso basically you have the village and then you keep going towards the coast pastthe village and it is just countryside and then you've got this beautiful Jurassic coast, which is, like I said in my email, like thirtyzero amazing yearsof kind of incredible rock formation. Yeah, the idea that something is that oldand clearly UN untouched by development or...

...construction or anything like that. It'salmost though looking back in history in a way exactly, kind of like theway you mentioned when you go to certain parts of whales. You can't reallydescribe it, but you feel it, and I think that's the feeling Iwould probably get at a beach like that. M All right, you're completely right. I think it's John. It's really that feeling of what I loveabout here is it's a very clean energy. Every time I go to the beachand I swim in the sea all the year around and it's like it'sit can be completely wild and soft at the same time. I love andthe coasters has this kind of magnetic cleansing energy about it. It's like youknow, and people come from all over the world to visit this collection ofbeaches and it's interesting because it's in the summer it's, as you can imagine, like all the beautiful places in the world all on us all. It'sreally busy and at the same time. You know, me and some ofthe other locals will go like six in the morning or last thing at nightduring the summer and that clean energy is still there, and I find thattotally mind blowing because it's just I feel, always feel like I'm connecting to theessence of that place, like you said, of whenever formed. Yeah, and there must be some scientific basis for that too, because California hassome areas that feel like that and I'm starting to wonder if it's just thenature of the way the the earth turns on its axis and the jet streamblows against the western coasts, so maybe it's constantly just slowly flushing out thethe ions. For sure. Yeah, I think that that's that's that's areally important piece because at the end of the day, there are pockets thataren't like that, you know, and there's this kind of like more stamination. Yeah, totally, and it's everything. Different craters live there andall sorts of things. We got into a conversation the other day at workabout sand because my mom started collecting jars of sand from everywhere she travels andit's always amazing how different the sand is from your perception. Some of themost beautiful beaches have nearly gravel for sand. In some places, in the chromeestparts of the world, have nearly like talcum powder for sand. Tellus about the sand on your beach. Okay, so that's actually a reallyinteresting point because so the three beaches that are closest to me, which alllink together, they are not sand. They're actually pebbles, but they arethese like tiny, tiny, perfect beautiful pebbles. I mean they would Ithink part of my conditioning as a woman living in England who wants to travelto white sandy beaches is oh, pebbly beach, that's not beautiful, butactually it's the opposite. It's like I think it's part of that cleansing enyou, like I said, you know you when you sit on the pebblesor when you walk in and out of the ocean, you get that extrakind of exfoliating effect of the whole experience. Right. And Yeah, so they'rebeautiful and there's one tiny part of the very last beach which is sand, and that's more of a I would say it's more of a Gravelly,somewhere between gravel and talcum powder traditional. So a big scale but yeah,no, I'm imagining pretty well, because it sounds like the natural evolution fromthe small pebbles. I'm guessing half the size of your fingernail or something likethat. Sighs. Yeah, yeah, they go and they'll range anywhere fromI guess I get thumb print size. Sure too, fullhand. I'm apologizeif this sounds weird, but these are interesting questions. They help me painta picture in a lot of times people when they listen to podcast while they'redriving and they actually have to think with their mind. So how do wedescribe a beach? So I feel that and they're like probably polished, smooth, like tiny little river rocks exactly. That's exactly it, and I thinkthat's what's interesting is I have a river here on my property and the stonesin the river are the jagged and rough. And you know, if I walkacross the river and bad feet, it's with their feet. It's yeah, it's very impossible. Yeah, break your ankle just trying to avoid thebooks. Yeah, and but you know the beach they are. They areliterally designed by the Ocean in this way that makes them smoother than you canimagine. Really it's like it's like getting into bed. Yeah, for sure, especially if the temperature is right. And they the kind that look likethey've been tumbled in a rock tumbler. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, andthose they make a great sound when you walk on those types of beaches too. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, if you lie in the water actually, when there's a bit of a current start a bit of a tidecoming in and out, there's it's amazing audio effects that you get of youknow, the relationship between the water and stones. Who I love it.There's something overrated about overly fine powdered sand to and that it gets in yourtrousers and your in bikinis and whatnot and it's really hard to get out ofyour clothes out of the car. I'm not knocking sandy beaches. I'm justsaying those kind of beaches also have a...

...great benefit with the with the smallerpebble rocks. Let's NEAT. Totally, especially for swimming in the middle ofwinter and you're trying to get changed and it's freezing and you don't want tosound all over you. It's kind of perfect, right, right. Tellme how big is your town? Like? How many people live in your village. Okay, so at the moment for about a hundred and fifty.Wow, that's nothing. That's hardly anybody. So you have you lived there along time? I moved here on the thirty one of May, twothousand and eighteen. So no, but you know, that's not many people, though you probably know quite a handful of them by now. Yeah,I do. I mean I was interesting is because I live with my horsesand because of what I do. I'm a writer and I do healing workwith animals. So it's I mean they're traveling out to treat courses or I'mwriting. So I actually lead quite a solitary life and at the same time, even if that's the case with anybody, you end up meeting people who thatyou're meant to me right, so of course, of course. Yeah. So there's definitely a lovely group of people in the village. So there'sa that's a small village. Do have a local market in in the townarea or do you have to travel down the road a bit to shop that? We definitely have to travel down the road a bit. So there's athere is a shop in the village which has it doesn't have a lot init. There's a minimal amount here. There's kind of local pastries and thingslike that, which is great, but for vegetables and a bigger shop toreally meet more needs. Yeah, we have to either drive about twenty fiveminutes or what I do is I actually get local food delivered. There's adelivery there's a farm called Riverford organics sure, and they produce box totally. Theydiliver food, fresh organic vegetables and fruit and everything all around the countryand I've all around this part of the country and so they come every Wednesdayand that usually ticks all of my boxes, but sometimes I need to drive.Yeah, that's great right. Yeah, it's really nice. That's very nice. It's one of those things that they just give you whatever is inseason. I guess totally it's all seasonal, but you can go online and select, which is nice to so actually it's quite a comprehensive system that it'sit's nice. If you just you don't know what you want, you canjust choose the seasonal box and you're it's what I like about it is thatyou know you're eating in with the seasons first throughout the year, so yourbody is getting more of a natural my body, I feel, is gettingmore of a natural input. Yeah, she's into I would to save myown food. Yeah, that's great. That's like the idea of eating localhoney's eating food that's in season from where you live. I love it totally. I would know. I was thinking of the horses. I was thinking, like if I've ever had left over food from a produce box and Ihad horses, I'd like, come on, horses, let's try what we havetoday. Yeah, for sure. I mean there are some things thathorses can't eat, but usually that's exactly what I do. And actually evenI have so I have a juice every morning and I take the pulp fromthe juice and I offer it to them so they can self select it ifthey want it. And Yeah, like if there's Beech Root and carrot andthe CELERY and there, they're all over it. They love it, nokidding. And Yeah, is there? Are there? Have you determined anythingthat they do not like? Just anything that turned their nose at? It'sactually a really good question. I often don't offer it to them because Iknow that they're not meant to eat it. Yeah, still kind of a treat. I mean yeah, stuff like Red Pepper, I noticed they don'tlike. And onions. Interesting. Yeah, I know, I would have thoughtthey like it Sol because, you know, the blood cleansing. Okay, love garlic, for example, but onions isn't know I'm saying exactly.Tell me about your healing work that you do. Do you bring people outto the village and stay with you? And how does how like you're healingpeople, I assume when you're using horses to do the healing. So know, what I actually do is I'm an equine Corneo sacral therapist, so Itreat the horses themselves. I yeah, it's really amazing work, John.I'm so lucky to be able to do this. It's I've been doing nowfor about eight years and I still feel like I'm, you know, astudent of the horses. Really it's just incredible, such a big piece ofart to work with too. So crainios, I'm not correct me if I sayaround Cranio Sacral, I believe is the right term. Right. Yeah, that's and so for what I recall just in my study of all thingsinteresting is that's the basically the massaging of a head and knowing all the pressurepoints, kind of like reflexology in a sense, but in your head.Is that close, very, very close? Yeah, I love the fact youmentioned reflexology because it definitely touches or is relates closer to reflexology and acupunctureand osteopathy to say massage or anything that is more manipulative of the body.It's actually a Kranasacual is borne out of osteopathy. So does that join meto clarify that, or does that make that makes sense to me, butclarify a little more for our audience. They'd honestly don't know who listens.It's a bunch of crazy people listen to my show. So amazing. Okay, we love crazy people. I'm one...

...of them. So right. Sokranosacul itself is a very, very light, hands on technique used all over thebody, but focusing on something called the core link, which is therelationship between the head and the pelvis through the spine. So what we believeand what's been proven time and time again, is that you know specific parts ofthe head, but the head in general mirrorsm will reflect what's happening withthe spine and vite was happening with the pelvis and vice versa. So wework with something called a kranosacral system, which is just a very light movementwithin the body, and we are getting too technical from that point on withthat's a generally word it is. So there's a lot of focus on thecranium, there's a lot of focus on the pelvis, but it's a wholebody practice and a whole body modality and it's incredible. It's the type ofwork that really helps you realize how much can happen with a soft touch andhow subtle the body can actually be. You know, because I think alot of the time, I sure people want it hard and rough or likedeep tissue and that sort of thing. But man, because when I hada partner, the my favorite thing when you would just like kind of absentmindedly scratch my shaved head like I was her pet cat or something. Inever told her this, but I'm like a rare I mean I really likethat feeling. I'm like, this is great, don't stop that, butI didn't want to say it because it seems kind of weird. But makingman, that's there's something to that for sure. That's why I looked intoit. Yeah, it's so funny that he said I love it, becausemy partner loves the same thing. He's just as soon as I touched hishead, he's that's it ridiculously effective. It's yeah, so bad. It'sworse than chocolate. Yeah, it's I think that. So what are youfeeling for on any skull, but in particular you work with horses. Butare you feeling for like veins or bloods, or do you know where the pressurepoints, where the nerves are like? What are you feeling for? Sothat's a pretty good question. I mean it's often it's actually a very, very non specific focus. So, for example, so like an energyhealer, right, because I'm a friend. That's an energy so yours kind oflike a dowsing stick of sorts. So you're a human dowsing stick inthis sense. The Stop me if I'm being too crude, but I meanso you're literally feeling for the misalignments, let's call them. Totally. ButI think there's a world like about this. Is that does there's a nice balancebetween, say, science and spirituality of side, the scientific element ofit, and the energetic side, because we have we go through, especiallywith horses, because obviously, like humans, every horse is different and horses areridden. So you know, you've got essentially buy mechanics and posture whichare completely affected by another, either one other person or throughout their life.You know, hundreds of different people riding them, equipment, bits, tapshoes, like so many things, right, so so many external stimuli which affecttheir their wellbeing, and so there's a whole assessment that we go throughfirst, which is looking at their posture, the way they move, also analyzingthe head itself to look at our the eyes in line. It's somany different things. So there's a real like analysis first, which honestly doesn'ttake that long once you know we're looking forward. It's a very, veryimportant piece because after that that's where you go in and you use, youknow, with your intention and the energy work and the knowledge of the differenthandholds in the anatomy. That's where you go in and you focus essentially onbrick helping that body to come back into a state of homeostasis and balance.But it's mainly through the energy is a huge piece the energy work. Butyou have to know you're anatomy. You have to be able to understand therelationship between the cranial bones and then different systems in the body. Yeah,that's that seems like the hard part right there, because how many bones areon a typical horsehead? Doesn't really that, probably does he? Yes, it'ssomething that's twenty in total. I could be wrong, actually, anyto that's a real question. Sure there's not like one or two bones likewe assume the human skull is. There's like multiple parts and pieces. Thejars. You do the job. I'm assuming that's yeah right, because that'sreally important moving part, really important part. We do that. I love thefact you mentioned the jaw, because the mandible the jaws, same withus. It's like one of the most important pattern setters in the body.So it like sets the trend for what's going on everywhere else. So,and especially because horses have such big jaws, they have bit, they have likechanging teeth, like all this amazing stuff linked to the jaw and they'realways grinding, because I think of people like humans with T MJ and I'mlike wow, seems like the really common thing for a horse to have thatbut never to be able to tell a doctor about it exactly. And Ithink that that's where therapists, the body workers, whether it's cranny cycle therapyor anybody who has a really good knowledge base of the cranium and the movementwithin the head is going to be looking...

...for signs. Like you know,is the matter? What's the range of movement? So in the jaw,for example, like, how are they eating? You don't mind that I'masking any more about this than where you live right now, do you?Because this is super persons. Is Great. Yeah, I love this. Socan you detect? Okay, so who brings you a horse? Arethey pet so their former champions as studs? Are they race or like? What? What's the nature of the horses that you see? So at themoment it depends where I live, because I was living in Hampshire before,which is a county set further into the center of the country, and whenI was sitting there I saw a lot of dress our horses. Jump athorses. It to dress out and jumping and racing and inventing. So,yeah, horses that were competing a lot. where I live now I treat alot of people who, yes, they have their horses as pets,they take them out on Hacks, they may be do a bit of jumpinghere and there, but it's very low key. So, but they're performinghorses and in a way it sounds like you're almost like a sports therapist forhorses. I think that it's funny that you say that, because my perspectiveis really there's an element of, you know, I want to help bringthe horse back into balance, but then there's an educational part where the owner, you know, not needs to realize that's a bit heart of a harshway to say it, but the owner ends up realizing that, okay,their horse maybe was a bit more out of balance and they presumed sure,and so with the body work, then maybe they need to ride them lessfor a period of time. So it's less like, you know, say, a sports therapist for an athlete who's then going to go out and runimmediately. He's going to write from again. No, it almost maybe a sportsa sports therapist for child athletes whose parents are riding them too hard.That's kind of a good analogy. Yeah, that that's more accurate. Its goingto take them back because they look, the Horse is fine, you're justabusing the poor guy. Lighten up a little bit totally. Yeah,well, that was that's why I started ask that line of question. I'mlike, wow, if you're a healer, can't in the exchange when the thehorse comes to you, invariably you meet the owner at some point.I was wondering like do you, do you ever detect abuse in a horse'shistory after you start working, because that screwed up and these start wondering likewas this abuse come from the current possessor of this horse, or is itjust abused as a baby? Or there's a lot that could come out throughthat kind of thing, and I'm like wow, I mean it's yes,there is that, and I think that what happens in the assessment phase isit's like when I go in with my crany sacral lends. I'm okay,what do I need to do? How do I to show up and provideand hold space for this horse through what I know in order to help itjust feel more balance, because so many horses side a balance. That's thething and it starts there the so that's really what I'm focusing on. Often, of course, I will meet the owner and the owner will often bringtheir emotions to the table because, of course, like I learned this intwo thousand and thirteen when I first started practicing. For me, I personallybelieve and have felt that you cannot affect one without effecting the other and viceversa. They are so linked. Yep, the owner and the Horse, evenif the owner is in the horses life all the time, there isan intrinsic connection between the human and the Horse which is undeniable. And soit's it's an energy thing, it's a mirror, it's a reflection, youknow. Often. Yeah, of course, is really wild it because when yousee these this could really be analogous to a parent child relationship the horseowner and the Horse, like we're because I'm just thinking all these times throughI used to work with kids in a juvenile center kind of place and andthat was the issue a lot of times. There was just a misalignment on theunderstanding of the roll of the Horse or the child in the relationship withthe person that was supposed to care for them. Yeah, and it's interestingbecause I feel like with horses, first of well, yes, I completelyagree with what you're saying, and with horses there's an element of a lotof owners will have horses, especially if they're not competing they'll have the horsesbecause they need an escape, yeah, from their life and so and theymight know that consciously, they might not. You know, it's it really dependson the person. Some people will completely comfortably say, yeah, thisis my this is way from the rest of my life with my horse.But what that means is that of course all of their emotions and all oftheir baggage is actually entering the relationship with the horse. Now, that's notwrong, it's just we need to become, as humans, obviously much more consciousabout what we're really feeling. And when we do that it's much easierto connect with horses, because their language is really is really all about emotionsand all about shooting. That's how they connect and communicate. That's that's reallyamazing. Let Me Stop Right here just...

...say Gary has entered our room.I don't know if you can see him down there. Hey, gary,I can't say hello. Hello. I apologize for my tardiness. I neededmy sleep. LEEP. You got to echo going on over there, Gary? Yeah, I don't know why. I try so anyway. With thehorses. This is interesting that you mentioned that, because I had a longrelationship with horses, starting back when I was a kid, I had afriend who lived in the countryside and we used they had hunting horses, whichI wasn't used to. I got to their house and they said we're goingto go shoot guns on horseback and like that sounds nuts because I wasn't intoguns and I had rid a horse. I just I knew I'd seen thatkind of scenario on cowboy movies back in the black and white days, butI'm like what, that doesn't sound right. At any rate, I ended upnot not shooting the gun because I liked my horse too much. Theythrew me on that like the old bessie kind of horse. It was aman male horse. It liked me, though, so we got long swimmingLee and it got to trotten with me and I would talk to it.And Yeah, they did. I don't think they liked the shooting bit atall, but anyway, so after that, the next time I got around ahorse, I'm sorry, go ahead, then I go for a sorry,I think the the we had been of a cross over that. Yeah, so the next time I saw a horse again. Now I'm a rovingteenager at this point, about sixteen, experimenting with the drugs and I wason some LSD and there's a horse near a field where I lived and Ihung out with it for about twenty minutes. We just stared at each other's eyesand loved each other and, yeah, I felt a fully at peace,and I'm pretty sure he was, because it wasn't acting odd. Youknow, you probably thought, who's this weird person staring at me, butI don't know, I've always had a kind of interesting relationship with horses.But now that I think of I live in a place now where there's lotsof horses and lots of cattle. It's Indian country in the middle of theUnited States, right, wow, exactly. It's police called Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, wow, yeah, and just it's cowboys everywhere. I'm not fromhere, so I'm a stranger in a really strange land to me, butthere's plenty of happy horses running around. So I keep thinking of like,man, I'd like to have a place with the Horse, but having thisconversation with you now, thinking will do. I because what would have happened forI guess as a pet in a really pretty yard, lots of stuffto do, but now I don't think I'd ever want to ride him unlessI he gave me his permission. You know, I'd have to get areally giant horse to where my two hundred pounds doesn't really affect him, andask his permission each morning. Hey Bob, would you mind ride today? Andif he gives me the nod, I guess I would go. Iwould have a really weird relationship with horses from now moving forward. Amazing.I love everything he said to because is it's your question is so relevant tothe industry and the of itself. Is Why? How, essentially, ifwe're going to have horses, how can we have them in our lives andenjoy them and also it be a kind of a symbiosis of okay, isthe Horse happy too? Is The horse connected to me? The horses needsmet in every way that it would be, you know, if it was inthe wild, as you know, as much as possible. And there'sthis element of I used to ride it. That was what I did for along time. I was a rider and then, cut a long storyshort, I stopped riding and I trained a Schronocycle therapist and and I hada crossover of okay, God, I'm still a ride. I really missit, but I don't want to do it because I gu see all thesehorses are out of balance of them. What do I do about that?And, Oh my God, it's a conundrum inside me. So, anyway, what I learned, though, over the years is that there is sucha deep connection to be had with an animal. I'm just going to horsesin this instant. We're talking about horses, but it's with an animal when wechoose to show up from a deeper place within ourselves, and that canlook like anything. It can look like just going and sitting with an animals, tearing into its eyes, like you did, and feeling peace. Itcan look like, you know, taking your dog for walk every day andbeing mindful of your connection. It Cann't like anything, but that's really availablefor humanity. That's the thing, and it it works both ways. It'sa win win, because animals are hit to connect with us, and themore we can connect with them, the will we understand them and so themore we can provide for them. And I do feel that what you're talkingabout in touching one is is amazing, because, in my opinion, theindustry really needs to change, because these horses are abused and they all overused. And that again, is it's not right or wrong, it's just what'shappened over the years. But it's not sustainable. That's the thing. It'syeah, well, and it's just not as humane as we could be.Once people know, once they hear a story like this, I would thinkkind human or humane person would double think everything, because now I'm thinking ondown the line. How many other animals do we utilize as work, animalsthat don't necessarily want to work? Clearly...

...many dogs like being around human companions, where they seem to and they seem to bide by their training just fineand they don't seem to be overworked. Police dogs and some fire dogs maybeget put into unnecessary danger, in my mind, but anyway. Like butnow I'm like, is this even fair to put dogs into dangerous situations likesend a German shepherd into a burning pile of rubble to sniff out humans?Is that? Yeah, it's great for humans, for sure, but isthat? Is it the ethical thing to do just because we're on top ofthe food chain and figured out how to manipulate the other creatures? And that'sthe thing, is that at the end of the day, that's what Imeant about becoming conscious, right. Yeah, when we become a where and whenwe weak, when we wake up to actually what we're doing emotionally,psychologically, everything, you know will will recognize those elements of, say,manipulation to get our needs met or just, you know, offloading our emotions orprojecting or our perceptions or our belief systems or everything. The minute westart breaking those things down, you're just you. You access this part ofyourself which is innately able to connect to an animal at a deeper level becauseyou are prepared to witness yourself at a deeper level. And it's just ait's just an immediate reflection. I mean it's you know, if I havethings that come up for me emotionally that I don't address, I'm with myhorses every day, twice or three times a day. I connect with themevery day and meditation and if I have stuff that I'm not addressing, theywill let me know instantly and it just is a either a matter of timeuntil I, you know, really wake up to what's going on and becomemindful of it, or it'll happen straight away. But one way or anotherit's going to happen and that always enables me to hear them at a deeperlevel. Yeah, I think it's what you said just second to go toearlier about being present, that that's really where it all starts, isn't it? Just the acknowledge that that's not an object, that's a that's a creaturelike us. And I don't I mean I'm not even a hippie like youknow what I mean. I'm a smoke some pot, but I'm not likea Hippie Tree Huger, necessarily guy. I'm just a regular dude. SoI hope other people out there that are regular people can kind of move themove the notch a little bit forward and realize that we are all connected.If you want to go like teenage vibe, like Avatar, where the earth isconnected to the trees and the people, I mean that Shit, that isthe thing. That's what's really going on here, and I don't know, this audience on this particular show will definitely go along with this vibe,because we talked about these types of things, just things that, like are deeperthan normal, pretty frequently. So I love this especially. I hada question in my mind, but now I forgot it because busy talk.You know, it's it's necessary. I feel like what we're talking about isit's just a necessary part of our awakening, end of the part of a partof life, you know, the end of the day. Like itright, it was part of life to that's what's really weird. A lotof people think, Oh, you guys are trying to be woke or hippiesor, you know, metaphysical or whatever. I'm like, no, this isthe way humans were like two hundred years ago before this fucking industrial revolutiondestroyed everything. We used to be. This way, we're just getting backto wait, where he baked, back to alignment totally, and I thinkthat what comes to mind now is actually this element of, you know,we the the fact is is that we have a huge range within us,like you know, in terms of being connected or disconnected. You can gofrom me feeling completely disconnected and completely alone and completely whatever, you know,not in touch with life for yourself, to the other end of the spectrum, and you know where you feel connected to every everything, to nature,your animals, yourself, your family. I mean literally every day, allthe time, you're present, and that's such an expansive state and because wehave that range in my mind and thinking, well, you know, are wemeant to be then in that state more often, because we can enterit, like you know? And yes, it's how humans used to be.It's also how we never lost it really, just we covered it amember. Yeah, we covered up with the gadgets and things that attract ourattention in other ways. So yeah, that attentiveness thing. Man. Sowhen how do you get work? Do you it's the village isn't big enoughto support you? Do you get on the Internet and like promote your services? I do, so I have have my website and I'm on instagram andFacebook, and I'm also on Google. As you know, somebody types inequine crany sake of therapist in my area, they're going to find me. SoI'm on line and I also get clients through word of mouth, whichI love, because I love both ways. But I do find that very avery grounded, kind of natural flow to follow, you know, whensomebody just says you know, because then that person's actually had an experience ofyou don't have to criteria or yeah,...

...and you don't have to get pastthe hippie thing, the like crystals and magic thing. Right. Well,you mean in terms of I would have to explain that. That's what's youknow what I'm saying. I'm not saying that derisively. I say because I'minto like everything and sometimes when I approach certain topics I get the eye rollthat Oh, you're you're what, and I'm like a healer. So I'mlike, I think when you get word of mouth, they're already into thehealing, they're already really into their horses to the point where they're looking forhelp, and I think those are probably great leads to yeah, actually,what you touched on is a really interesting topic in terms of the use ofthe word healer and the association that we currently have with that, in termsof it not being again like this element of it not being scientific or provableor whatever, you know. And but in terms of you to ask yourquestion. Yes, I mean it's where I like about carnosacral as well asthat. It is we have that anatomical very yeah, that's hard science.There are there are muscles there, Nerlia and there are veins going through thereand they all carry energy that's been measured by science. So yeah, andit's U it's interesting because a lot of the ghost side treat I'm actually thelast point of call, which I do always find fascinating, where you knowthere's an issue, a physical issue with the Horse, where they've called theBat, they've got the back person, the Physio, the car practice.Honey, gotta try the Western Medicine First, try poo. My Dog's gonna Bout. Somebody comings the door. I'm just gonna let that. That meantone second the girl. I'll just listen. Cool, Hey, okay, sowe've got puppies too. How? Yeah, I have a dog,Nyla. She's amazing. Is it like a healer type of dog? Ohmy God, you hit the nail on the head. She is a completeout of the seven of us, like my five horses, me and her, she is the healer. She is the one. Yeah, she is. Honestly, it's what everybody says. She'll just jump into your lap andprovide you with what you need without yeah, it's incredible. She just puts mymind so great. Yeah, I got I'm trying to figure out howto get back to your town. Do you how do the people in yourtown think of you, or did you just you just is it a smalla village to wear just doesn't matter. It's like, Oh, we alldo our own weird things. No, it's the complete opposite. I amdefinitely like, you know, the tree hugging, Crystal Intense Burning Horse Talker, you know, crazy lady at the end of the village, and I'mactually about half the age of everybody who lives in the village, even abetter. So you're some new hippie that talks to horses. I love it. Yeah, it's a really interesting experience for me next week. Well,it's funny because, like, you could flippantly say she talks to horses,but really you're doing reflexology on their skulls, which is something that's that's the partI don't understand, where people just kind of detach themselves from real scienceand try to layer it with their own preconceived notions about it, what Ilike to call unproven science. I think all the things that people talk smackabout nowadays will eventually be proven. Again, we just can't test now, evenif you like. I've done episodes about people who feel electro magnetic frequenciestinfoil hat type of people. I'm not. I mean it's kind of funny tome because I don't have that condition right. I'm just kind of anasshole and things that don't affect we don't affect me. But I hold itout there that they might actually be more sensitive than everybody else and we justhaven't been able to prove it yet. So for sure, and so that'swhy I think talking to horses is not weird at all. Yeah, andyou know, it's interesting because that's the thing it's most of the time,when I tell people that that's what I do, they that's this level ofacceptance, almost as though they want to be part of that train of thought, which is very interesting because again, to me what that highlights is,okay, people, at the end of the day, deep down what wereally want is connection, and it feels so good to be able to say, Oh, yeah, I completely know we're talking about all the OPOSITE,to be able to at least be curious, to say, Hey, can youtell me about that so that I can connect with what you're saying.And then, you know, I have met a few people who absolutely justthey don't get it at all, which is fine too, because everybody ismeant to have their own perspective and that's what makes life interesting, but,you know, I do everything. It's, you know, undeniable. Everything isenergy. It doesn't matter whether it's a conversation or a horse or apen, you know, and so the...

...way that we interact with those differentelements of life is very, very personal. And when for me, when I'mable to connect with the horses, they have such a heart centered energyand that is, you know, it's an offering. There always gifting humanitysomething, even in the most abusive situations. Like I went to work in Egyptand you know, they I worked in equine hospital who provide medical treatmentfor the horses and donkeys in the area, and so I saw some pretty extremecases and even then, even in those, you know, really direstates, the horses you can feel they're still capable of offering something to you, even if it's just a breath of presents, like it's still there.That's name. I've never thought about horses that way. That's a great wayto think of horse. Do you ever? Have you ever been fearful of workingwith the horse just due to their size? It's not like a dogor a cat or a midsize animal. That's a big beast of it decidedto have an episode. Right. Yeah, it's a love the fact that youask that, because this happened to me for the first time two daysago. Up until this point, no, I'd always I've been cautious, sure, in terms of like reading the situation and being mindful of the factthat the horse is either, you know, you get explosive forces, for example, especially when you're working on the cranium and you're helping the body unwind. The body's energy needs to release like it came in. So there's oftenan explosion of energy and the Horse will can react physically where they're going tojump up or shake their heads, run around or bite or anything. Butyou know, you as a therapist, you're mindful of that. But Iwas treating a horse two days ago and he he's been in quite a littlediscomfort. He's very young still, and he was really, really, reallytrying to bite me and he was huh yeah, and for me, Isaid to the owner, she's amazing. She just you know, she juststicks with it and stays present in his sessions. And I said, well, it's the first time I've I've said to an owner, please, canyou make sure that his you're holding his head properly or you're holding him sothat he can't get to me. And I looked at that because again,like I said to you, it's Ay. What is that reflecting in me?Where is my energy? What am I doing? Yeah, yeah,sure, yeah, you want to check make sure it's not me? Itcould be me, maybe understore another the room. Yeah, yeah, that'sfinal. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you're okay and I'm sure things aregoing to work out with that horse. But there's always a challenge, right, there's always going to be something that pushes your limits and reminds you ofa you know what you're really doing there, because it's it can't all be easy, horse completely, and I think that it's just that's why we're hereas well. Let's just to remind each other of what's going on in thepresent moment. Yeah, tell me just about your locale like what you soundreally busy in, like you have a really fulfilled mind. Do you partakein entertainment, like watch the telly or listen to music much? I listenedto music and I don't Really Watch TV. I've been through phases of using TVas a way to, you know, process something or disconnect but now Idon't watch TV on a regular basis. I spend a lot of time outsideand I do listen to music and I love to play music. Iplay the piano, but the horse is can the horses here that from?They can sometimes. Yeah, they haven't. I haven't been able to take thepiano outside and play to them, but they they have hang pan aswell, which I've played them a few times and they love that. Well, yeah, I hang pan. What's that? It's it's that drum thatit does is not a drum. It's it looks like a spaceship and yousit it in your law yeah, so I saw that an instagram. Lookslike, I think the gold in a moon drum, but I think it'sthe same thing. Yeah, I've never heard of called that, but that'sinteresting, a moon drum. I like it. Yeah, you know,they give it a fancy name on instagram and try to sell them for twicethe price. But yeah, I'm a drummer, Gary as a drummer two, so we're always in the drum stuff. The so what's if you play piano? The and what kind of music do you listen to? A wholedifferent range. So I love classical music. I Love Soft Rock. I'm alsoan RMB, like a s rb hip hop girl, so I lovethat. And mostly American artists or English artists, you know, mostly mostlyAmerican. Interesting. I was wonder how far the American music reaches, like, I mean we all speak English and American English almost in many cases,so it seems kind of unfair that American music is so prevalent in many places. Yeah, I mean it's stretches pretty far. I got to say.Like if if you're into the s hip hop and RMB seen as far asI've experienced anyway, it's mostly American artists and I think in the S Iwas into either like some gangster rap like Tupac, or conscious hip hop,like, I don't know, epmd. Yeah, okay, so, yeah, I'm to pack. Is More mine right. I definitely wasn't into consciousive, but when I was growing up I'm not even bad. So I've justtaken what I used to listen to.

Is is a teenage general rundown.Yeah, I love that. I think it's actually an amazing it's amazing.It's a if you can wrap well and have lyrical value, then it's prettyimpressive really impressive. I mean, like I said, I'm a drummer.That's why I like rap a lot. I'm not a poet or I canwrite good Hiku and I can play the drums, but I cannot assemble thetoo. So anybody that can assemble the two and not down like a dorkywhite guy gets points from me for sure. Yeah, I agree. Yeah,I actually in terms of the back of your question of how do Iget clients, I would love to. I'm about to release a book.I would love to mention that. If that's okay with you, please doyeah, this is after the thing is for plugin. Like, what elsedo we get to do? Let's promote some stuff. Amazing. Okay,thanks. So it's called the healing language of forces and it's set to releaseon June first, and what it is is a collection of messages from myheard of forces to humanity which I gathered over a boy a three year periodof just sitting in the field with them and writing and writing and writing,a listening and everything we've already discussed in terms of doing my own selfdevelopment workand shadow work help me hear them at a deeper level. So that bookis set to release on June first and I have a poetry book which Ireleased at the beginning of April which is an international number one best seller.Getting congratulations. Oh No, I shouldn't be surprised. You said you werea writer. We didn't connect on the on the out of the context thateat that you were a writer. So I didn't really dig deep into that. But yeah, you're a writer, so of course you have books,but having a number one book of poetry, come on, that's amazing. Thankyou so much. Yeah, it is. It is an amazing feelingand it's I think it's again. It's just that opportunity to connect with people. Okay, so to connect with people. I randomly connected with the person thatI will connect you to offline. Amazing. And so I was doing. Oh, I wanted to start podcast on the sign business and I wantedto find out how people successfully do advertising specifically. So I heard a podcasterabout a podcaster. Well, the second podcaster was this guy who runs theHorse Radio Network. I looked into it. This guy has like eighteen different shows, all on horses. He goes like to Joe's Hay and Grain Stormin Massachusetts and we'll get like two hundred dollars for ad spot. So hejust goes out. He doesn't worry about download numbers or subscribers or anything.He goes straight out to the horse people gets ads for their stuff and allthe shows are talking about horse it's every morning. He does horse talk radiolike every morning of the weekdays. Wow, your book would be amazing and he'sa really kind guy. I think you would make an amazing interview forthat as well. So it's incredible. Yeah, I love the synchronicity.Yeah, definitely have to hook you up with him because, wow, I'mthis is going to be awesome. Like once you once you say you hadsomething to promote. My promoter mind kicks and I'm like, Oh, yeah, that guy promote that book makes some money. Yeah, you know,feed for the horses and whatnot. So how many horses do you have collectively, like how much land and how much? How many like people or horse peopledo you got up there? I'll call. So I have five horsesand I have twenty acres of land and that's it. The last rounds thehouse, which for me is amazing. So I can actually see the horsesfrom pretty much every angle when I'm in the house at some point so Ican check on them, or at least connect with them and see them.First thing in the morning. When are you like? They can always checkon yeah, they'll see if the lights on or they hear you make ussome noise. That sounds like food time. They probably totally I know what Ilike is in the morning I can just open the door and call themand they'll hear me and they for example, sometimes I'll even be in the kitchenif I start doing there a bit later, like feeding them a bitlater. I'll be in my kitchen and one of my horses who I'm particularlyconnected to. His name is Florenzo, and he will know that I'm up. I know he can't hear me, sure, because I'd say just walkdownstairs or something and not made a lot of noise, but he'll know thatI'm awake and he'll Winnie and then I just I just start laughing im likeright, I'll just go outside now, and there is no escaping the guyusually like a watch dog horse or watch horse. So okay. Well,you're really close to a beach, but we talked about whether or not weride horses. Do you ever walk your horses to the beach, on thebeach or ride them on the beach. No, I don't do any ofthose things on the beach. Okay, it's it's really unexciting, I know, but it's you know, horses are really very love about them is thatthey love to explore, they love to see new places. They are animalswho will roam hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of miles naturally. So they havethat switched on in their brain. They're like, oh, great, anew place. Curiosity engaged and at the same time they are very, verygrounded. So, for example, my horse is love to be here.This is their temple right. They're fine. Yeah, they're like teenagers kicking it, playing their xbox on the couch.

They're like, we're good, thisis fine here. Like Quarantine. What quarantine, which is what wealways do? Totally. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and it's some. ButI do have a young horse who I will take out in hand onthe road to give her some experience because she's really on. I got herwhen she was a year old, and so my other horses are say sixteenand twenty two and seventeen and twenty three, so all around a similar age andbecause she's so young. You know, I wanted her to have some lifeexperience so that if anything happens like, okay, suddenly we need to moveguys, you need to jump on a lorry and drive down the road, she's not going to, you know, she at least it's fair for herto have some association with the outside. Well, so speak. So,oh, yeah, yeah, you cou'd be like homeschooling a kid foreveror some yeah, you gotta let him out a little bit. Take himout to the mall him get into a little trouble. Neat other people.Take her to the cinema now and again. Yes, play at the seed intheir head that there's an out there somewhere exactly, and we're out there. Feels like as well. Because, yeah, because you might not likeit. She might like, Oh, yeah, I prefer it back there, and she does. But like it's I love that balance because she'll bereally curious some days and she'll really want to go and she'll walk up tome and I've like got the head color of my hand and she's ready,and there's day she's just like it's a no. Yeah, and we haveto be adaptable as human beings. Because, just like us, we're not thesame every day. I love it. It's like you have a a tribeof horses. You included with the horses, but you seems like youact like they are in live, as if you're all one. Yeah,that's what it feels like. It's nice. That's what it feels like and Iactually I have this conversation with my mother quite a lot, which isinteresting, because she asks how the horses are a lot and I always endup saying something along the lines of, you know, we are the same, like we are literally one element. We like one moving circle of energyand like, for example, if they have a physical issue or an emotionalissue going on, I will feel it like it's mine and it's only whenI can discern that it's coming from them that I realize, Oh, okay, that's why, because we're so connected and the same thing happens on myend. If I have stuff going on, they're on it. They'll either reflectit back to me or they're trying to trigger me or something. Youknow, it's there's a very, very tight bond between all of us andit's an actually an honor. You know, I didn't really think that this wouldhappen in this way, but it has and it's amazing and it'll onlyget deeper. Well, yeah, you've extended past the human realm. Thereis a great quote from a sports coach that said we become the average ofthe five people that were around the most. Well, in your case you're becomingthe average of the five beings or creatures that you're around the most.Would are at peace, they're roaming the countryside, there live in the life. So in the sense you're kind of becoming that which they are. Yeah, yeah, that's what it feels like. It's so is the dog totially,and she is as much a teacher as the horses all. I mean, she's just nic level. Do you have any favorite words that you couldshare with us, like slang words that mean things that we wouldn't know inEnglish? Hmm, I mean, sorry to mean in English, from English, from for England. Yeah, yeah, exactly, because we, I meanwe know normal slang words. That cool and awesome and great. Yeah, whatever, but you know, such a question. Okay, it's funnybecause you wouldn't know what we don't know. That, I guess that's the hardpart about it. Yeah, and so much of language. So weuse it unconscious right. So I'm okay, how can I? How do Ifind okay, how about somebody left the gate to the to the farmopen and the Horse got out and you just got pulled up and you seethe gates open. What do you scream at? What's your exclamation? Usuallya swell word like a commis would like, what the F? That kind ofthing. Yeah, okay, pretty much. Yeah, yeah, that'sa definitely yeah, but not a going to be little things, but honestly, I'm sorry, nothing so much to mind right now. Now, that'sit. That's okay. It's especially interesting when I'm talking to people from othercountries. So you could say, what does good mean to you and they'relike which version of good, kind of good, medium good or great goodtells you know, it's such a good point because at the end of theday, like I was thinking about this other day actually, my boyfriend andI were talking about how in you know, in English, we say like Ilove you in so many different ways. It can mean so many different things, because I wouldn't say to my dog, for example, Nila,oh matter, I like you very much. You know, that just doesn't makeany sense. Yeah, would. I would use that term of Endimand of love and at the same time, like say in Spanish or Portuguese or, I think Arabic as well, and other languages, there are somany different ways to express different levels of emotion. Yeah, and I wasthinking about that and I was like, Oh God, that it actually filtersthrough throughout the whole English language, because...

...there are so many phrases that weuse that they have such a big range. You know, you just want tosend to range without the right words. So I just was listening to anaudiobook. Not to digress too far, but the inuit up in Alaska theyhave over two hundred separate words for different types of snow. Wow,I'm like, well, that's effective then, because then you'll know, oh it'sthe slushy type of snow that about piece size, that gets under yourtire, that makes you slide off the road. That'll be they'll have aname for that type of snow. Or they'll have a type of you know, the type that hangs off your roof and slides onto the driveway, andlike wow, that we just call it snow. They're like no, it's, yeah, pretty vague. They're white boy wow, and I guess that'salso like applicable to your environment, right, exactly, like what do you needto know a lot about? Yeah, Snow. In that case, Ilove it. I love that, like edible snow, right. Yeah, so as to play with. That's right, the guy that makes goodsnow men. Yeah, that kind of causes avalanches. The whole bits reallyinteresting. Yeah, so cool. I think I have so much good stufffor our podcasts here. I do not have. Will you say your nameand like you want to say you're an author or something like? Your nameand title clearly, maybe once or twice so I can edit that in.Sure. Okay, do you always say my name is or just my justmy name, because it is just say hi. I'm I am or hi. Cool. Okay, Hi, I'm D Laura Petaudi. I'm an equineCranio sacral therapist and an author living in the UK with my herd of fivehorses. Was Perfect. Awesome. That's great. So, yeah, thisis awesome. It's going to take. I am well, it's honest.Truth is, I have a adhd and I have a hard time going backto what I just talked about and re listening to everything I just said.Because it's boring to me. But anyway, that's my big conten to. SoI basically in the next two or three days, I go back andedit this into roughly twenty minute podcast of all the assalient points. I'll makesure, for sure, to get your plug in there about the book,because that's exciting, and I'll try to make some common sense of our conversationwith that making us sound crazy, although I mean whatever. Like I said, our audience listens to everything, so nothing we said sounds out of line, for sure, but they make us sound too normal. Neither that either. Right. I want it to be just enough to where people might shareit and like learn something new about it, because I didn't know that. Well, I'd heard of Cranio sacral therapy for humans that I didn't stop tothink that it could be for other animals, especially bigger animals with much bigger craniums. So that's I learned something new totaling and it is an amazing modality. So I'd love the fact that I can share, I can share aboutwith you, because now you've got to in your consciousness. Now I'm goingto go look for it because I already go to that the reflex ologist forfoot massage. I love getting my feet massage and I believe in that,but I never stopped to ask, Hey, do you do skulls, because Idon't think they would do it right. But now I'm on the hunt.I hope to enjoy your session when you find someone. You're an amazinghost. It was wonderful to Talt you. Thank you. You're always welcome backand, like I said, I will connect you with the Horse RadioNetwork, gentleman, and I think you guys will just hit it off.It'll be a it'll be super cool and maybe we can follow up in severalweeks and it's would happened. Amazing, John. Thank you so much.I love you. To meet you much pleasure to take care. Take okay, and now back to the wall.

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