Live from Emo Dojo
Live from Emo Dojo

Episode · 1 week ago

Featuring NFT Artist "MaNiC//" on bipolar disorder and digital artistry

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

John talks to Florida-based NFT artist MaNiC// about his journey from hospitalization for bipolar disorder to successful digital artist.

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Hey Friends, welcome back I'm John, andthis is live from Emo Dojo. Today we have an especially awesome guestsomebody I heard on twitter spaces. You know a lot of times if you want to getknown as an artist. You kind of have to raise your voice, and in this case hespoke up. He raised his hand to speak in a twitter spaces. I was listening toand immediately I'm like, Oh yeah, that guy should be on the podcast, so hegoes by the artist handle of Mannock, and you can see there in the title ofthe episode how he stylize that really cool he's got a wild story maybe familiar to some of you, especially those of you who have have experiencedin mental hospitals and that sort of thing, and it's really exciting. Sowe're going to talk about his journey from you know his initial diagnosis allthe way till today and what he's working on and into the future, withdigital art and n ftes in that space. So it's super cool, I'm glad you madeit sit back and relax. This is live from. EMO Dojo might be kind of overwhelming to some,but I think you empathize a lot because you have similar conditions to what wehave. How much do you want to talk about that? Do? How far do you want totell I'm I'm down to just talk man like I'm just trying to really make it I'm trying to make it yeah like totally,and I understand to be able to make it inanywhere. You have to put yourself out there. That's right. Unless you know,then you no one's going to know about you unless they happen to discover youand Yep they share it, but how O that's Ram? You got to put yourself out thereand just tell your story be real, and then you know, because I heard thatreally it's all people usually buy into like stories Yep. My Wife's aunt was inthe marketing and I told her my story and she was likeblown away because it's quite the story and she's like that's. That's what you need to tell right.It's remarkable! That's, like you know, that's your brand, that's you andpeople yet will buy into that yeah. It's so true do especially with peoplelike like us. I assume you just had a wild childhood and all kind of stuffwe'll get to that in the minute, because I really want to hear that partlike how you became you, but man as if you, if you're raisedthat way and you kind of fucked up in the head a lot of times we're stilltrained by society to fit into that society. So you just go in this. Youlive in this conflicted life for many many years until you realize, like. Oh,I've got to speak up otherwise I'll just get shut to the wall, and you seewhat happens to people that just don't speak up. They end up dead or inhospitals, and things like that, so good for you on speaking up. So how didyou come to adopt the name manic? For example? Whatare you going to call you that for sure, because I've been like peeping on yourdad, that's Um yeah, my real name is cool cool but since being in this wholeanp space, I wanted to have a name yeah and the name Manic really fits me wellright right, I'm, like literally I have you know a by polar obviously, and Ihave it where I'm like mostly manic yeah same, which is to me it's better than having thedepression part, a hundred percent. That's that's really rough. So yeah like I'm, I'm like a lot oftimes manic and I'm on medicine and everything it's just still breaksthrough so yep. That's where I was like all right. Well,Manick! I like the way it sounds like the name and it describes is. I waslike my personality and you know yeah. I love it, love it. I have a marketing background to so I'minto words the shapes of letters, the whole thing, a fucking love manic.Thank you, man, yea and I like, and when I you probably seen it on mytwitter and the way I did it was is, with a capital M, lower case, a capital.Oh Yeah Lor. I see, and I just added those like forward. Slashes there owardSlat, yes- and I was like that's see, that's just my artistic mind. I waslike okay, yeah can't be just a word by itself, can't be common upper case. Therest lower case do some weird shit and who would have thought to put theslashes. So actually, when I created the file for this particular broadcast,I copied and pasted it directly from your twitter accounts. I got it rightbecause, as an artist a lot of times, that's all you have in the beginning issome differentiating factor that gets people to say. Oh this isn't the manicI'm used to this is something new or you know whatever your name happens tobe so that's pretty awesome and I like...

...to tell people listening right up front.So man, it's got a couple of different collections on open sea, which is themarket place for digital art. Work called FTES, can you do you operate to,or did it just happen to find one? And then you changed the name since Iclicked it last, because the link on your twitter bio went to abstractvisions last night and it goes to something else today, on God: Yeah. Seventy men, yeah yeahyeah. So, like being that I have like my creative mind,I'm always creating, and so it's really hard for me to like focus on like one collection- andyou know so I like- and you know I know like for the most part in NF- it'simportant to have collections. You know and try to keep thingsorganized, it's just harder for me way. So I had this. I started this new collection and it'sgoing to be seventy seven pieces nice as to keep it small and more focused for now right, but I I mean I have the abstractdivisions, one and then I have sculped by manic dope. I don't know if you've seen that I havenot seen that one I have. I have a lot of stuff yeah yeah skulpme manic is. I do I use blender. I taught myself I'mblender Nice, you know the program Yeah, three D, Yep, that's that's no joke dud!So that's no joke to teach yourself three, the software, so my God yeah, Imy wife. She I was literally on the computer forhours and hours tutorial the tutorial GIP and s figuring it out and for themost point yeah I mean you can see my work. It's I named it sculped by Manic.I Love I have like those and then I have. I have just a mix of stuff so butwith the Alban Guard, I'm going to make that seventy sevenpieces right now. I have twenty one pieces up, but I love it, but is when people getto know me and discover my art, Yep they'll discover it just so much andsame I was just talking to a real life artist friend of mine last night andour biggest thing we both have well. I have by polar. We both have adhd andthe whole thing is like well fuck. How do we get all this shit organized theway the market expects it compared to have my brain wants to display it,because I'm like wait, I'm a painter, I'm a fucking drummer. I want to gorecord some impes and just put up drum beats, I'm my God. I need a new drum. Ineed a fucking account, a collection for that, and then you start runninginto gas fees and left and right I'm like well shit. I can't have all thefucking collections. I need to get started so then the weird process ofhaving to shoot. I tell her. It's like you, have to take your puppies outbehind the shed and shoot the extra ones in the head and she's on no andI'm like now you got to pick one project, but that's just kind of theconversations we have, but I can't and she can't like I'm like I got them allplanned out and then I need to jump from one each week because some weeksI'll just get bored of photography a Board of painting or whatever so it'snice to have it so having any kind of you know, let's call chaos going underin our head. It makes it both extra important to organize, but also doublyhard. So now I appreciate that you've got things sorted out to like that. Yes,so the newest thing is the Abon guard one and it's going to Avenar seventyseven, it's going to be seventy seven pieces, then that's what I'm working on rightnow and so yeah. At the same time, whenever Ican I'm still working on teaching myself the thred art which I'm reallyreally interested in and then it's going to be like eventually more intothe animation part, I really when I first got into FTES. I stumbled acrosspeople right that sixty nine million dollar sale and like I was into likemaking money online and different ways to make money online, and so I just heard about that, andwhen I heard about that, I was like wow like seriously right. Yeah like a J peglike in had to you know, do some graphic. Do I told myself graphicdesign, because I do print on demand. You know for like Oh yeah, so sure yeah,I just IT products I'm on A. I am on a platform by Amazon calledMerch by Amazon, Nice yeah, that's a good one yeah. So I have some successwith that, but I've always been researching how to make money online. Ieven stumbled across bitcoin like way back like I think I got into it like inthe beginning- sweet good for you, so I just didn't buy enough. You know whowouldn't who would have known yeah yeah, you had your bets, but sometimes likeDamn. I wish I would have hedged a lot higher on that bet, but good for youfor knowing like, because that that takes a real visionary, to accept a newentire new construct. It's like saying, Hey, dude, give me your gold, and Iwant to give you this piece of paper. It's no. It's really worth your goldand you're like fuck off I'm keepingg,...

...my gold, and it's the same way. Youhave to like suspend belief to think that digital money will be the future, andonce you do, though, it's clear that it's nothing will else will be thefuture. It's only crypto in the future, yeah and so like it. When I get intosomething I like I go all in and I want to be the best at it and know all aboutit, but I tend with the bipolar sometimes on mine, wants to hop to thisand that and this and that yeah, but I'm really starting to realize I gotta just stayfocused and not spread myself too thin. You know maybe get into one two threethings and just be like to become like an expert in those area yeah or atleast become known for that. You know as your voice or your style is anartist yeah yeah for sure for sure. Tell mehow you became. How came to your knowledge that youhave something wrong with your head with your mind like how long how manyyears ago back did you find out? Okay, so I grew up in Long Island, New York. Up until I was fifteen years old and myfamily decided it was, it was good. My grandparents moved South Faloria andNew York was getting more expensive, so my grandparents were like come toFlorida, it's cheaper here and beautiful all that, so I basically hadto leave like my girlfriend at the time, my friends, which was, of course you know upsettingshocking yes trematode Florida and were settling in. I was not happy, and so I was in a depression yep and Iwas like wanting to sleep all the time have my shades down and you know yeahcave live in yeah and then all of a sudden it went from really down to like really up yeah. I didn't reallycatch it M, but I m a neighbor of ours. Her daughter has had on bipolar, okayand was like, I think your son, like has something I think you need to takethem to. You know the hospital and you know, have them evaluated yeah, becauseI was like thinking like. I was thinking things that weren't true, likemy self esteem, was like. Oh Yeah Yeah, you know, like er, sure, ve gonethrough that Pesero it is wild yeah, and so I was brought to this mentalhospital in West Palm Beach and yeah. I went into a full blownmanic episode and I was thinking these things that weren't real, like I hadspecial powers and yeah yeah. All that I was in a fold loan manic episode and like they originally diagnosed me with aschizophrenia yeah that happens to sometimes for sure, especially when youhave an a manic episode in the doctor, doesn't know that a true manic episodelooks very much like Schizophrenia, yeah and I get so effective. They saidYep, and so I was in there for a few weeks and then they were like okay. Well, hehis diagnosis is bipolar, so my God of there and from sixteen years old up until twentysomething years old I was in and out of me mental hospitals and drug rehabs, and you know it was a really just toughtime like it was like a revolving door. Like yes, mental hospital like theylike was growing up there I was like in and out, they knew your name. They knewMont, they knew money, they were a manic back yeah. I mean they just andit's common and I would see people that I saw before and yeah yeah, it's just arevolving door and then, when I was like, like I don't even know,nineteen or something like that I was was doing ecstasy and coke, notsleeping yeah man. Cocaine for a bipolar person is like heaven and HellYeah I mean for like ten minutes. It's like heaven, yeah, and I mean if you, when you'realready manic, like you're already up yeah anyway. So like ecstasy, coke, nosleep- and I was I remember, having like myheart- was like a racing and no sleep. I came home and my grandmother took meto the emergency room and I thought I died go well. I thought Idied and I was like when they took me to the emergencyhospital. I thought I was getting transported to purgatory. Oh Wow and I had this wholething in my mind, and I was telling my family that I'm I'm dead like that's.Why yeah yeah this whole crazy thing, so they brought me to this hospital and I was in there for like, like the Max time, you're allowed to bein this in the impatient hospital right.

I was there like three Mong Holy MolyDude. That's a lot yeah and I was in there three months and like theycouldn't stabilize me. I was in my own land and and then they were like well, we can'tkeep him here much longer, so we have to put him in a statehospital. This is what they told my family, yeahand so yeah. I was brought to Pember Pine State Hospital in Miami and I was there in a place that was not fun.Yes, when you're right state hospital, you are among the the craziest ofcrazies, for lack of. I mean it's a crude term but yeah getting around likelike drooling and yeah, attacking you attacking staff, Yep super medicatedpeople, just Zombi out on s, hobbies and stuff yeah, and that was me too.They had me so medicated, ah gained so much weight. I was literally sittingaround drooling, but it like, but I always was like Iwould draw you know, you're still you inside I still be inside of with draw.I would even like write raps, you know no potry yeah, it was just living hell in there andyou flip out. You end up in the pink room right. You know we lock you in theroom, and so I was in there for seven months until they finally tried thislast resort. Medication called Colasi and that snapped me out of Stobi back into real yeah wow. What isthat, and what is there, does that drug have a different name? Is it like? Ihave a brand name, it's called Collazo help to check it out. That soundsawesome. I'm sure a lot of our listen. That's that's like the last resort,medication and yeah. It's like it will make you gaintons of weight and literally be drooling. So they got me. They got me that intecto get back into reality, and then they got me on this limit. Ye havetaken limit to yeah yeah, and so I've been on that for like years and I havebeen hospitalized for years and there's been some close. You know someclose calls for sure yeah. You seem really self aware, though, like like,you could probably very sense that it's coming like if a depression wave iscoming, you could probably tell- and you probably know how to hunker down ormania, is upon you, you kind of know the rules. You know hide the yea hadthe credit cards or of that kind of stuff yeah with the mania I just got. Istart realizing like I really have to make sure I get sleep, that's yeah,yeah, and but when I'm in these creative mindsetsand when you're in the NF t span, my God, which never sleeps, obviously yeah,even if you don't have some form of mental illness like you, you might getone or you might start getting it, because it's just it's so fast paceoverwhelming at first, like I had to pull back Duke ease, I got into it liketwo months ago. I just I don't know I found somebody said: Hey, let's checkthis out and we just dove in within about a month I felt like I was on acidevery day, I'm like Whoa and having an experience with you, know, medicationand support groups and therapy. I'm like this is not healthy. You have tofigure out why it's not healthy, why it's triggering me this way, so ifanybody's listening and you have any kind of mental illness or disorder, andyou getting into ftse just there's like three different NFD in my mind, thereare the multi level marketing folks, there's those you know. High pricedschemes going on. There are people that are building legitimate communities asbest as they can, and then there are folks that are straight up artists likeso I always find myself I like to be in that category, like I'm there for theart for locking down copyrights into the future. Anything else, I'm not thatconcerned about I used to be a few weeks ago and that's what was drivingme crazy. I felt like the rocket ships leaving and I'm not on it. I've got toget on the rocket ship, but now I've taken a step back and realize oh wait.My normal life was cool three months ago before I discovered an Eft, so justchill the fuck out get back to your art and you know don't let it get getcarried away. Yeah I mean it's definitely like emotional, like yeah. When I first gotinto I got into the FT space. Like I said around the time people made thathuge sale and I was dabbling with crypto and like it was like around the thetime dose coin. Oh yeah hit five cents right and then it like shot up to likealmost seventy cent yeah yeah like that is. I was like heavy into the Cryptofor sure, and what do you call it? I got some stellarLomans X, lm yeah, okay, yeah and then I was in a discord for the first timeand somebody from the discords I mean invite to club house there. It is yeah,yeah, yeah and then in club house. I stumbled across an ftse dot, tips, niceand t that was like okay. So I would...

...listen in these groups and learn andlearn, and I was like man like you- got to get this Meta mask Walid and so manythings yeah T- and I was like- Oh my God so then I was on a mission tofigure that out yeah and I figured all that out and now I'm like now. I knowlike if somebody asked me how to get into it and do all this. I could tellthem exactly what to do. Yeah yeah that whole initial, like setting up thewallet and I didn't know about scene phrases and it was so ridiculous. I washelping my friend set up her ledger last night right, her hardware walletpain in the ASS, and I just remember like Oh yeah, when I set mine up, Ilike had a whole hour set aside and I almost like told everyone in the roomto shut up. Well, I'm trying to focus, and I live alone dude. I live alone inmy God shut up. I got a fucking googes. This might be my millions I'm likedealing with right here, so it has that weird, like intensity. When you startto address them with these things, I guess like to your point, just find a loving soul that already knows about itand have them try to walk you through each step, because it's fine there's noan I've been like, since I'm so excited about I've been telling like everybodylike I honestly, like won't, shut up about FT. I can't dude every time andyou're public right. You see something like that. Ud Be fucking, good, N, ftright there. You should be yes, yes and my wife she's, like you know, I'm an nft land and it's just like. I really feel like I found my tribe yeah yeah. Ireally feel like I found my tribe, which is amazing and now I feel like. Ireally know what I want to do. That's the most important thing: a yeah. Iwant to create art in this ft space and just grow and get my name out there,and I mean right, I guess be Amos than anopte or known or or I have a living no like. I don't need to be like superfamous, but yeah just have like a little. Ten thousand fans on Earthwould be good for me. Five ten ser people that were like fuck yeah. Thatguy is awesome. That would ye be a shit you know yeah like and so, like I saidwith Club House, I was listening and listening and I was creating art like amaniac like yeah, literally he chin, blender and just just making so muchart and putting it up on open sea like tons of art and art. I made some saleshere and there, which is so cool because I wasn't even promoting it nice, but then I was like okay to really getmy to really be successful. I also listened I'm also big into likepersonal development yep. You know I listen to like Jim Rone and Oh yeah,all thees, one of my favorites yeah, and so you know in order to besuccessful, you have to like put yourself out there, even if you're oncalled like Jim Roland, when he was first starting out before he was doingpublic speaking. He was extremely nervous and you know I was scared toget up on stage and talk, but the more that he did it. He became great. Hewould then he was became a great public speaker, and so I was like all right.It can be denial yeah and I was like I'm just going to do it right and I andit I forgot how it came up. It was just like the perfect time to like I got into the the. What do you call it?The crypto I mean the Anfal crypto pills, okay, yeah and like it was thediscussion and stuff like that, and and somehow the my story came up nice and Itold it and they were like you go. You know you need to tell your story he'slike they said. You have an amazing story and you could actually, you couldhelp people, that's right, yeah, you, because there's people in hospitalsright now that have access to podcast, for example, and if they stumble upon apodcast of two people who are very similar to them, except a couple stepsof evolution afterward, I fuck. I hope that gives them hope Tude, because,like sometimes when you're all alone, your family, your friends, don't getyou they're all doing their best to support you, but you just feel likefuck, nobody understands me and now I'm stuck in a box, a hospital. I can't getout. That's a pretty low place, so man, but I do know that they have access toaudio and they can listen to things, often on their own, with their ownchoices. So yeah, your story does fucking help to because you were deepinto it and my dudits sounds cliche but, and I hate to say it but dude you lookgreat. You look fine, but obviously that people a lot of times. People tellme that too and like they don't see the dark, fucking humanoid that livesbeneath my face mask here and I'm like right. Do you have hard time taking compliments, for example, on your artwork yeah like like, for example, like mywife, she was like how, in the Hell did youwhip that up so fast yeah, the things you think of like because it's just Ireally like a lot of times. I just like. I use theway COM tablet, nice, Yep yeah and I just start. You know just sketching onyeah another line and I'm like okay. That looks like this, so let me keepdoing this and all of a sudden it turns into something yeah crazy. My wifeturns around for a second say what you...

...just did that that's also yeah, that'sa she's like she's, a big fan of my art. Isn't that great and she's a verycritical person when you know when something you know she she's verbalabout it. She's like know your arts, amazing right, she won't hold back. Ifit was shit, she would tell you, but it's not. Yes, that's awesome, alwaysasked here like like. Do you think this is good she's and if she loves it, thenI'm I got cool on put it up so yeah I mean I'm loving what I do and Ijust I'm looking forward to like the day where I can just really justmake a living right, making money doing this and not and then also like investing in other projects,because that is not great. Really, that's really fun to me. I think so too.I, like I missed out on doodles. I love doodles yeah me too. I missed that. ILove Them. That's my favorite, the color block all the color scheme, justthe softness and the I don't know it looks like joy in alittle bundle right, yeah, good stuff there, a yeah I missed out because itwas like I M- not if not too long ago is like, I think it dropped down tolike one e who like like, like a few weeks agoback when the dip, when ethery was like really pumping yeah, yeah yeah, and Ihad enough e to buy it, but I bought another. I bought another project yeahand now like, of course, doodles is like shot way up right right. You knowyou just you never know, because doodles and like Mecca we're coming outat the same time, I think roughly and when my got meca first yeah yeah andsee what happens like they just totally diverge. One goes one way. The othergoes another way so yeah it trading n FT is as a trader is a lot like. Well,it's even riskier and crazier than currency trading. Yes, so it's as fast,but it's even crazier, because it has so like in these spaces like listen tothese Alpha Yeah. You know the health spaces a stuff like that, because youcould find some really good stuff yeah and you can take the temperature of theroom. I guess is a good way to put it and you just kind of get a feel likethat person said something slightly snarky about that project. And do youlook at their thing? Oh they're, a fucking be ass. Well, let's see, andyou look at the the men, the thing that they kind of mentioned off handed Lens.Like okay nope, that's on my no list now, so they have a lot of pull on. Ihope they use it sparingly or judiciously. Let'ssay because Yeah I've always I've tried to be a champion for most mentallydisordered. Folks, I always have a trouble because, depending on who, I'mtalking to some people get offended and what you call these things, but anywaythe minds conditions, I'm always trying to be a champion for them, because alot of people with fucked up heads are poorer because they've never hadstability in their lives, so they never established a career. Don't have a bankaccount and we we're saying things like. Oh it's only this. You just need to geta ledger wall and they're like fifty nine dollars. Fifty nine dollars. Ispent fifty nine s on groceries for two weeks of Vig I mean so I'm always havea lot of empathy like how do we get people up and even into the atmosphereto play with them because they have to get in when you on the White List Yep or likeduring the minting mending time? You know we get way cheaper and I thinkthat's that's the way that these lot of these guys are very successful yeah andbecause it doesn't have to go up so much. You know like I bought and I regret it, but you know you cannever tell at least took a profit yeah, but I don't know if you know about thethe what is it the wolf and sheep? Oh, this is all blown up today. Yes, yeahwolf and sheep blown up on twitter today November, twenty two thousand andtwenty one for the record. I got two sheep and I got him for like dirt. Sheawesome. I think it was like zero point: Zero, two or something holy Mo. Okay. Iknow and I sold them same properly, but I hadn't who knewthat like it today, I caught it and it was like one point: Four, eight yeah.They blew up over night- oh my God yeah, almost overnight, literally likeliterally almost overnight, but it is what it is. There's there'sthere's always going to be an opportunity yeah, but I did get intothat. Cryptic Crio goons, Oh yeah yeah, go tunes, crip tunes, cryp tunes,Crypton Yeah. I got. I got one of those because I really like the art, so yeah,that's a cool thing too, and I think most anything minted now was going tobe worth a lot and I don't know I always have this conflict betweenapproaching it as an investor as an artist, because I'm like well, I'm justgoing to keep making art it's free for me to make art yeah, but then I'm like well. If I sellsome more of this art, I can go buy some of that art that I like that. Ican't do because I can't conceive of Shit that other people do, which is thefucking coolest thing about art. Ever it's like it, no matter how good orawesome you think one's own art is there's alwayssomebody doing something that blows my mind like of it blows my mind in such away that, like I, I can't even hate.

I'm like a fucking, got a love that guyI'm going to fucking set the bell on twitter and, like all his shit, I feellike such a fan boy for some of these artists. I find- and I never was a hadit not been for ftse- hmm yeah so, like I guess it's just a matter of figuringout my style and how I want to do it. You know because it seems like the mostsuccessful projects. Right now are the PHPprojects that have like you know the ten thousand yeah a supply or five sand,whatever at least a thousand right yeah. That's where all the hype is for sure.That's where the hype is so like I want to. I really want to create, like a projectlike that. It'll come to a an it'll, come toreally do that myself, like I just yeah, and they don't either to your point.Those are just no right and some of these guys, I know what they're doingyeah they go on five, Oh yeah. Of course you can anyway can go on fireand if you put in n FT yeah ten to tk and FT tk on fiber K and like thesepeople will do it and I'll probably get it done in a few days, Yep and thenfrom there. You know, I guess you have to get like a developer.I don't know whatever, but yeah I mean these people like. Even I don't likeyoung guys like teenagers, they're, just tech savvy right, they figurethings out and they end up making crazy money and it's just it's an excitingspace. But I got to just be real with myself and yeah man. Bilder brand isyeah because I do want to do like a pft project, but it's got to be right. Now,I'm not right. Now. You know yeah. I heardthere's a old street where artists name Bobby hundreds in Los Angeles yeah,probably a hundred right right. So I just listen to him on n Ft. Now isanother killer, podcast called ft now, and he was on it just this past week somid November, two thousand and twenty one, and he explained his whole historyof how he grew the bombs and all that and apparently he's not fully into it.Yeah he's like now we're taking our time we're a luxury brand, we're notgoing to rease the whole shit load. We already have the brands, the differentbombs that we're going to release and we definitely have a vision but he'slike it's not a big rush. We're here we're here to stay and o they're, doinggood they're doing good it heps. When you have you know, of course you havethe brand, like it strain yep in now, with an m TSE, be sold out like yeah,to a point, though right to a point if your brand is already like complex canlike that sort of brand. Probably yes, but if your brand is McDonald's,probably know, I think about this a lot, because if you a lot of the biggestbrands, even in music, try to jump in and do a rug pool kind of thing, andit's like Na this is a new world here. Bro like this is a great thing aboutnew artists. You just pop up from the ground and be legit yeah. I know there's a lot of likecelebrities that, like they think they're just going to, they don't knowanything about this NF space or anything when they just they just seemoney they're. Like I see it, you see it on twitter, like they're, like allof a sudden, they buy a Crypto punk or an ape yeah and they're like oh I'minto it. Now. I just did this and then all of a sudden, okay, so you're goingto just drop a project now yeah yeah or sometimes a lot of people like in thespace. They don't they're not going to really support that now, and sometimesI fear what if you owned like an ape and then Jimmy Fallon buys one and thenJimmy Fallon gets accused of some bullshit in a week and and then he ownsan ape and now by association, the value of your investment now goes down,because a celebrity happened to invest in it. I'm like that's risk, that'sreally risky, so yeah. The whole thing about, I think, building a brand in theFT space from scratch is going to be ultimately more successful than tryingto bring in old world brand into the space, becausethat seems really tricky. I haven't seen anybody really do it. Well, I'm onI'm on a mission. I am on a MI. That's why I up here right now and I'm want tomission. The world is going to know manic and- and I do I look at otherprojects that are paps like with the Damien Hurst right yeah like s truecollections, but not P, fps yeah, and so I'm like well, I'm Goin to see if I can go that it's agood model, yeah for sure Yeah in art, blocks and stuff, like that, soI'm just rolling with it and just kind of finding my style myself and do youexperiment with any other platforms than open sea right now? Have you triedany of the coins or any of the platforms? Yeah, I'm on Foundation Foundation, Yeah Yep, Yepyeah. I got an invite to there and I put one of my one of my pieces on there,one of my digital sculps Nice. I can't wait to see those yeah right on my right on my right onmy on your twiners wither profile yeah, it's called SCULTUM IC yeah. If youlisten, you want to go check out his twitter profile. It is Meta, verse, N,ft Art on twitter check that up, yeah and that's like so that's like my...

...altar ego, crazy. metaverse. Kid and Igot the crazy Meta birse kid dot- eath, Oh yeah, yeah. I got that a little likea few months ago, because you heard about that that air drop yeah. I gotmine late to like, like literally like three days late. I saw the cut off dayas like October. Thirty first, and I think I got mine on the third and likeit's that always in for the money, though I just in it to lock it down. Sonobody else had it really yeah, so yeah, crazy, metabisulfite, criton AK, crazy,metabus Kah actually got the domain name: crazy,metaverse, kids, Nice Com, oh yeah, because that's something else I do isby domain name. Well, I haven't done it so much lately, but I have some domainnames I've been holding on to for years. Yeah Yeah because they do is a realestate. Yeah I've been all about like making property a yeah for years, likeit's digital, real estate, and next now one side can start some art. I want tobuy land and sand box into central and yeah yeah, especially and box. This is this: Is the new world rightnow and it's everything's. This team is going to get yeah. It's just going toget more expensive as time goes on, is more people kind of flood into the newworld, so yeah, that's what's up dude, I collect to main names too, like Ilove them, because I have like a science to like I literally one of mybook marks. Is this place called name check, so you can go in there andtype to see if the domains available twitter, I mean all the social handleswill give you on one screen if it's available, because if I'm going tobrand something the urls just the first step, if the URL and I can't get thetwitter, but I also- and I can't get the fucking facebook or whatever thenew thing is, I don't really do facebook much anymore, but I'm still, Iwant my fucking name lock down just for how to do that. Yeah I mean I love likeI love hold up a second yeah yeah. I love like the whole like makingmoney online marketing. Don't main names like I'm. I read, you know, AlexBecker, no, not by name he's a big he's big in the net space, but and he's allhe's a famous youtube and he wrote a great book and Yeah. So I'm like alwaysjust trying to just yeah nailing er marketing, like personal development,just trying to justo know like us better myself. Youknow and I'm a big believer in the law of attraction. Yeah yeah the successMangona you want fuck yeah, you will, you will actually attract it yeah. Whatyou focus on grows is what they say. Yeah like like, if you focus on whatyou don't want like I don't want to be broke. I don't want this. You will actually attract yeah, you'rethinking what you don't want, yet's right and then, like my wife, said I toa man like how do you do this? Like you have that law of attraction like like Iwas in the Crypto, I had my own little moving business, cool and- and I justall of a sudden, ran to somebody that was doing crypto and, like I mean it'sjust that's what I did. I cause a random circumstance. I was like in SanFrancisco on the evening of Chinese New Year and I was down by the beach allthe buses were stuck, so they couldn't come down to pick us up. They just gotstuck in Chinatown. I got stuck with this guy that was wooden shut up aboutbitcoin for like forty five minutes, just me and him at a bus stop sevenyears ago, and I like hood, I'm glad I met that guy. You never know how you'regoing to like find out the thing you need to know to get to the next stage.That's why I think it's so critical to just always be open minded and fuckingcurious, like dig a little deeper. If you hear something that peeks yourinterest dig a little deeper man, exactly that's why I love it. It's socool to connect with. Like minded people like when I and a lot of timesthe people in the NT space they've like to you done like the domain name thingand ye a lot of people seem like they've already been making. You knowtrying to make money online or have made money online, so it all like tiesin together totally but with our art what their actually creative outputthis time with. Yes, so I'm just happy as hell to have stumbled across the MTSand yeah and which doesn't seem like your life is more aligned. That's oneof the things, the kind of a constant theme of the shows I think most peoplethat suffer from mental illnesses or disorders are simply suffering, becausethey're forced to get up do a nine to five in a fucking box, and do it againevery day every day, every day I don't think humans are set up for that, and Ithink, if we're allowed to break free and like create art, I think a lot ofpeople's suffering will diminish really quickly without any medication m likeright now, like I haven't, worked in nine to five in a while good, because I'm always I figure out likehow to make like I like, with the Merch by Amazon. The print on demand likeI've, got warm like passage income like killer every month. I it's just adefinite money coming in Yep, but I also I have my own junk removal,business, Oh nice, and that's like the...

...bread and butter right now. Dude do youfind probably find a bunch of killer stuff? Do you like turn it into Craig's list or market play sales withthings like that to a just just pure jump junk? I don't have time for that:Yeah, okay, pretty much just junk, but it's a great business because I mean literally, like I say,for example, I pick up a mattress like a literal, take matter on the truck andthat's like quick hundred and twenty bucks. Nice yeah bum like right thereand then once I have my truck filled up more then I go to the landfill anddispose of it, but cool cool, sick business. That's a nice balance to likeis that gets you in touch with the real people, the real world, that the ideathat we generate and buy stuff and create waste. But then, on the flipside, you jump right into the full digital world, where everything is ourimagination. Yeah I mean I literally, do Junker Moule by day come home and dothis digital art. So how much time do you spend on twitter? That's a bigthing. I've noticed in because a lot of times as NF artist, I would say eightypercent of your. If you call that a hundred percent of your NF artist, yourjob, if that's a hundred percent I'd say eighty percent is twitter andtwenty percent is creating. What's the breakdown for you, twitter, I am on Oh all day, like nots,not basically taket your phone. It's on the computer is actually it's a problem,but at the same time it's part of our job. Like yeah. We got a chill. We gota you know like. I'm on twitter, like got in gay O, got a show up at this RadPost, what you have o Ba, so I'm like Yep, posting posting and posting andposting, and now I'm working on getting in the twitter spaces and yeah. That'show I found you dude, because that's a whole another another level right,because some people just listen to stuff. I was blown away because a lotof my podcast listeners don't have twitter accounts. A lot of my twitterfollowers follow me for years and finally, like, Oh, you have a podcast.So it's just super different audiences and by being bold enough to step out ofyour comfort zone in twitter and use your voice on twitter, most peoplewouldn't think to speak on twitter that men twitters going to hear me talk, butyou did it's crazy, and the funny thing is is that my twitter account. I openedit in two thousand and eleven yep and I never used it because I thought twitterwas whack, Yeah Sae, I just you know I was using before I now like. Now Idon't even I use instagram to post up some art yeah for years in Startin,consisting because you know you have to it's all about being consistent act. Ifyou leave the room, you've left yeah, so I'm like consistent, but you know it's hard tolike have ticktock and instagram and all this, but so, like my main focusright now really is twitter and twitter, like it just blew up right. Soyou used to have hardly any followers or something o and Mt. it's liketwitter yeah, and I hear it all the time a lot of people they didn't go ontwitter. Now. It's like you, see a lot of how everette dormanttwitter accounts a livening up from two thousand and eleven, and so like thatand when I logged in I was like man. This is from two thousand and elevenyeah right yeah I got in. I got on twitter early because I've always beeninto you want to get that name. You know, go in get your at handle. Youwant to. I mean all those things any time I hear of new Shit. I go therejust an nobody else takes my name: Yeah Yeah with the whole like the domainname thing like you know about the website: Flipper uh, okay. So it's a domain name auction,okay, cool yeah! I love that you by don't you know by Domani from go daddy,your name. She I got a L Y should go, sell some yeah and you can go onflipper and list them and and sell them. But I see people doingthat with their east names and their tars names, and things like that. Yeahdid that if I just got mine, but when I first got into an IT space, I got a dotcrypto. Oh yeah, I got a dot art just for art because I knew it was going tobe peer art and not necessarily coins, but yeah. It was just because yeah getthat sum yeah, and what do you call it? I hadsome got IOS I like those getting XYZ. I did. I did- or I I don't even know,yeah there's some Xyz, thus becoming a trail. Yeah got IO. I know it is forlike tech, very yeah and there's some cool stuff in io audio I mean likemusic industry can do io as well and yeah, and it crop few years ago, likeyou, could have got some great God Ios, because now many not as many people areusing yeah yeah, they look cool. Now it's hard to tell what you can actuallyget adopted to because who knew like X Y C I wouldn't have thought of, butonce I heard it on a Crypto podcast, I'm like all right I'll go get some xy.So this it is it. What is it called top level domain to dright, yeah, there's one that has been supposed to come and come out come out dot web. That sounds familiar, but itnever has huh. It never had interesting and I was like waiting for it to happenbecause you know, then, if you could just find out about these early andjust scoop up what you can yeah do. I found another thing because I waslike t: I grew up with like motor head...

...and motley crew and bands like theyused to put umlauts over their os their us. Well, you can get top level domainswith Oom louts in them and I'm like what the fuck. So I'm going to start aart project with the top level domain that actually has an Oomlah over one ofthe letters and the mind. Fuck is that most people don't know how to createthe umlaut letters on their keyboards, so nobody will know how to type mydomain name. They literally have to see it on t shirts and on you know,graphics and things in Click. Yeah can't wait, yeah check in the bat nexttime, you're the fucking rout domain names. You can just get sit like Uberwith Umlaut you. Let me see O loud yeah. I want write that down. We said on low yeah, it was it'sspelled. You M L, A, U T, Umlaut and it's just the name for Europeancharacters that have dots on the top of them. Okay, so likeUber, the word OOver W: U D, we pronounce it you ber, but in Germany ithas two dots over. It's pronounced like Uber, so it's right now is kind ofweird, but I'm just for the aesthetic value. I've always loved. Two dots likeHogan Doss motor hand, Motley crew, like what looks cool yea I. What can Ihave that? I'm like Oh shit, I can fuck yeah. I think in the back behind thescenes is created a long string of characters, so your real domain name islike Xtreme, seven, whatever Bob Yeah, I know like Chinese domain names, arepretty valuable but yeah. I love that cool man. Well, anything you want toshare specifically, so I think we've got where people can find you. That'sawesome and you're always welcome to come back. If you got a new drop oranything, you know just drop on on or call me I'll mention it on a differentshow. If you don't want to necessarily come on for sure, so I always happy tohelp love your story. I'm do your story, cango so many different directions because we could talk about mads. We can talkabout what it's like being locked in. We could talk about the especially thetransition, I'm most happy that you seems to be living. Your independent life is whatbrought you out of the I don't know out of the mental cloud yeah I mean I'm just I'm like I'mhungry, I'm a like. I want this to happen really bad, so I will not stopuntil I can become financially free doing what Ilove, and so I'm just going to keep showing up. Like you know, actually oneof my pieces of art was exhibited in in Manhattan Wow, not NF. Did you hitthat PT NYC Yeah Yeah Yeah? It was like a drop by known guyin this space, so you had one of your things shown upthere at an AH motivate, no shit. Oh Yeah. I've seen this account sot out tomotivate yeah I was chose, like my art, was chosen from a certain amount of artist, and itwasn't even like that many, but they happened to choose mine, so that wasreally cool. Yeah, that's fucking, great dude congrats. So was that adangle art shown in the real world on a screen or is that it was actually itwas in it was in and in New York Yeah. They had these art all over the in thesubway with a Qr Code. Oh Dope, okay, cool, THAT'S REALLY NEAT! So so you'rea steel shot of your art is in the subway. With the Qr Code to the digitalwas, I don't know if they like took it down, but for a while it was all theseartists. Work was writing them in. I forgot where it was.It was like in the subway yeah yeah good for them, probably leading rightup to the locations near as the right in a shortly after that, that's whenthe whole and FT N Y C situation went down, and I would haveloved to gone to that, because that looks really cool a good place tonetwork. Oh Yeah. Definitely there's a couple of here in them. Both that andcomplex con is another one on the west coast and then apparently, the bigthing down in Florida is going to be art, basile Miami in a couple o weeks,so yeah there's a lot of places. Bat If you got it in Yo to travel and get outwho's a lot of good real life places to fucking interact. So you are you goingto make like some some kind of brand or way because you know if you go out inpublic and you got a board a or something like that. You got a yachtclub logo on your jacket or you had to you. Whatever people can see, you areyou thinking of developing some kind of icon that people can recognize yourwork on. Like you got a supreme hat, I got fucking Evan to Yo shirt and you doprint on demand. So I'm thinking like, what's next you going to make aidentifier for yourself yeah the manic that the m like up, we see up here, anapple M, lower came a yeah yeah, okay killer, a yeah. I can't wait see that alike my signature, yeah manic, sick, Short, macom, Yep, it's taking them abit obvious yeah for sure you're. Right Short, tell me a name but and Manioteis taken. You know whatever I maybe I'll get a different tild yeah, but thecrazy metaverse kid. I got the crazy...

...metaphors kid dot et and I have crazymetaverse, kids com. So that's a good one. What thinking when I thought it?The reason why I got the crazy metapor kids com was because I was laying inbed thinking about F ts and I was like falling asleep and I thought garbage pail kids, Oh yes, a right, heyeah. So I was like Garfias and my head. My mom was like crazy, etive se, kidsyeah right an so. I was like make a project called crazy, metaverse,kids. You know and then just differentcharacteristics, and it could be really what old, looking characters and dothat get to be the PFT project right there. Yes, crazy, metaverse, kids, Yep.I already got the domain name Yep and I have my Craim, the crazy metaverse kid,so crazy, Meta, bers kid that eat right and each Crete. I think their lookshould be depended upon whatever their mental illnesses. Like here's, the C bereally depressed David. Here's Manic Matthew that kind of thing, because Idon't know what how the garbage Pale kids got so ugly like what what madeeach one ugly, but you have a running theme already that, yes, I had a kid, could have adifferent thing yeah and they could be really. You know crazy, looking and youknow yeah abstract fuck in yeah, I like crazy, metaverse kids and they could belike C mk, yeah, Yeah Yeah. I like that too. So I just like I I got the do maning,where to was I a that taking care of now it's just developing that whole situation. Ialready start, I thought about a whole story, but but that's just something I have in theback right again. It's back to the priorities like shit. I've only goteight other things I'm working on now, but I definitely keeping that one likethat. I'm definitely because yes like right now, it seems like the really thethat's like the hype. Is the the Pah and seems like a fun challengeto do it right, because I would try to do it in a way that kind of you knowaddress issues that I have problems with another PP prog projects than thathuge issues, but just artistically, and things like that. I'm like well,instead of bitching about things I always like to like file it for aproject. I have to do one day because, like podcast I kept hearing podcastlike I don't like the way. That's done. It's too square, it's too, likeformulaic and like will shut up and quit bitching about. I just make apodcast see how hard it is see how easy it is whatever so the same thing withthe P F project you kind of want to like M. I don't know it looks challengein it looks fun and it would actually because it kind of tickles a part ofthe mind that it would be bad ass to have a set of playing cards of your ownthing. Whatever that turns out to be yeah, I love that Pan yeah, it's socool, like I'm. A Big Fan of Gary v and sure yeah me too yeah when he had hiswhen he was talking about his own ftes, like not even that long ago, when hewas like saying, I think they were like thousand dollars or a little bit over athousand years. An I was like that's expensive, like that's Redid, no one'sgoing to spend that and all of a sudden they're, no any other like seconds. Atone point I don't they were like I forget, but like over fifteen eighth orsomething like that, or even more yeah, yeah and and O to people that don'tknow about what we're talking about so Gary v Vaneck is a popular business, motivational coachinvestor guy. He turned his daily scribbles into nfd e. like you know,kind of crude scribble of a two can or something they're cute enough, and youcan identify what it is. But it's no! You know it's not like high art by anymeans, but because he has a following and he he's a height machine Mam. Heturned his little scribbles on a Napkin, almost literally scribbles, on an Apkaiinto hundreds of thousand dollars each, oh, my God, yeah actually ordered hehad this opportunity about. If you order these books. Do you know about that yeah? I rememberthat Uh yeah have been following to a first drew a scribble like what is this,and then it came out a couple weeks later Mike. Oh, that's your Ft. Whatokay, like a few months ago, like he's, he's putting out a new book like twelveand a half forgot the name of it, twelve, something and if you bought twelve books, he'sgoing to air drop Chese. Not, I don't think it's a B friend yeah.It's not it's a new thing, a book friend I think my wife was saying yeah.He differentiates them. So the V friends maintain their value yeah.That's like the original yeah. So I'm going to be getting an air drop from.Oh, you are decide H and I was supposed to get. I ordered like thirty two, butthere was an issue that from Barnes an noble were it canceled one of theorders fuckers because I would have gotten ended up getting three of them.Damn that's still also I'm gonna hold on to that because yeah I mean why notto right a lot of the things that you like. I give away an FT, sometimes topeople I meet they're like Oh, that's, fucking cool! I'm, like you know whatI'm just going to give you one, because my thing isn't about making money withnts right now it's about making money for my kids s in nf a generation fromnow, so I'm always like. Yet I don't...

...need your money right now. Just like Idon't know. I grew up kind of like as a street. Kid Sometimes- and I rememberthe whole thing they used to give away drugs until they got you hooked andthen they can try. They can charge you anything. So I kind of feel the sameway with nts I'm just like get people on like I tell you what, if you set upa fucking wallet, I will give you something just so you can know how toplay the game and receive a thing from person that you know and trust. So,exactly like I've given away I've listed so my ampts for free yeah, youknow, and so people just so people could have my art and there you know intheir collection and if somebody else spread the love. What's this and thenit'll tell click on that and it can take them to my collection, like YeahDude I'll give people to you, keep on and sell one. If you can good luck,sell I mean that's and that's what you know what I do. I'M gonna I'll go on. My abstract visions accountand I will make some better zero dollar right, and so I I as interested theycould just pit a gas fee. Yeah there you go. That's see, I think, that'sgreat so, and especially if you know that person in real life and kind ofhold their hand to walk them through and Theban now, you've on boarded a newperson yeah. So I guess I could. I could send you a la I'm going to gothrough my so my art yeah. I think the abstractvisions, one yeah, send me all your links, I'll put them all in the shownotes anything you want. This is just fully promotional to get in a lower theprice to zero, so somebody wants to buy their first ft or just have one youknow get for free. They can just pay the gas yep straight up. Yeah I'll,definitely send you that how long have you been doing this podcast since, liketwenty sixteen, I worked at a fucking tech company that made software for politicians to run for office and we'relike yeah. Anybody should be able to run for office. Well, trump wasn'tallowed to use anybody software they weren't allowed. He wasn't allowed touse the Republicans or the Democrats, so he fucking came and used oursoftware and then on, and then I got depressed after that and just changejobs. Change Careers got out of ten even doing this in two thousand andsixteen yeah just off and on and sometimes once a quarter sometimes oncea day, but because I don't have like a therapistand I move. A lot set off is like a stable set of social friends or circles.But this like a confessional. I just like get them talk, because if there'snobody like, if there's no guest I'll just get up and talk and maybe talk toomuch share over share a little bit but so but there's a kind of a dividingline like my employers can't find me because my name's not johnny motions inreal life and right people. That know me as johnny motions on Emo do Joe,don't care a thing to look for my real life person, so there's a nice littleline there, but they're slowly kind of squishing into each other in the matoes,so yeah. So you discover me in that twitter spaces yeah yeah, we were, Ithink it was Keith Berry space, one of the spaces he puts up there and yeahany time someone's bold enough to fucking, say yeah, I'm here I havewhatever something if they acknowledge, they have any kind of mental disability.I'm like that's a fucking, bold person right there and need to talk to them.We need to encourage other people like us to go ahead and speak up. You knowwe'll have your back well for what it's worth, but also you just good practiceto get out there and fucking work out. I muscles podcast that I've been onthis. Your first one yeah, Oh dude, awesome you doing fucking killer and,like you kind of a natural at it and in the future, I can imagine you juststarting your own little thing. Dude might as well, if you yeah, and so another thing was when I was younger,like I wanted to be an actor. Oh Yeah Yeah, my like my grandfather was astage actor and so I would to go see his plays all thetime, and so I was like I want to be in, like I wanted to be like ever since Iwas in kindergarten like I knew what I wanted to do. I want to be an actoryeah. I was pursuing it an early age and then I got into music and Iactually I do music to, but I haven't recorded anything in a while, but yeahso anything like artistic and creative. Like Oh dude, you should do the samething. I'm going to try to do not because everyone should do be like me,but because you're a musician and have that skill. So I'm going to put art tomusic and upload the whole fucking thing like I'm, going to take a videoor screen shots of myself, drawing a piece and then I'm going to go sitbehind my electric drum kit and play original beats like those old fashionedlike es Intros to movies were deletion, then something moves. I'mjust going to make shit like that, because I can a dude you can, to yourpart, music part everything yeah. I mean it's really like we're. Unlimited,we C N video photography like there's, there's project number nine for you.Another quill have some art that I that I made I put music to nicesomewhere in in my collections. Yeah. I use a logicpro right and yeah. You make beats and keyboard noise like what kind of musicdoes it sound like like hip hop beats...

...on them. I can make like hip hop, beits like rb, like Techno Type, beats nice. Another thing that I told myself.I don't know how to like read music, but the same now I've been talking themusic custis for years. It doesn't you don't have to read music. Strangely,it's a it's an ear thing. It is yeah and so yeah, like I'm, even like a sackmember like screen actors, go Oh yeah. What d you? What did you used to do?What did you do to get to your sad card yeah? So when we were in, we wereliving in New Jersey like a few years ago, and I was I started up doingbackground work yep an extra you know, and so I was doing a bunch of that Nice.It's pretty good man, isn't it for for Dude, not much because you got a se Roon union. I was non union, so I wasn't making as much but yeah. I was eatinggreat, Oh yeah, a fuck yeah crass, a time yeah you're going to eat and a lotof times he really good Yep, and you get a lot of times you get paid forjust sitting on your ass, like literally hurry up and wait Yep Yep. So at the time like I didn't really know about SAG orafter yeah, but some someone was saying that if you getafter it now at that time, you can get grandfather in to screen.Actors go okay, I got into after at, and I think I hate like. I don't evenknow. Like fifteen hundred L, I forgot exactly how much it was yeah, but oncethat Sagon after merged yep you were in, I was in and to be in the SAGoriginally to be in a SAG. You had to either get cast for a speaking roll or you had to get like three wavers nonunion wavers, and then you can be eligible. Only elegie pay a lot ofmoney, yet all right, grandfathered in so yeah that is God, that's a hardthing to get into for people that don't know the acting industry generally toget a sad card. You need to have an acting speaking role, but you can't geta speaking role. Often without a sad card. Hey, you got a Alec MonopolyShire on that's awesome. Yep there it is BRO official I've seehis qre and everything has got a SAG after a card ikto at these. These, Oh oh dude, just just recur each year.Yeah you got to recur. You got to pay the do, but I haven't been in. Ihaven't done anything in a while, but I will not let that go fuck now. It'sjust like that's stupid to do. Yeah Dude, THAT'S AWESOME! A membership likeyeah, because eventually I want to get back into it. So yeah,that's next level! If you can get fame, you can turn all your project into yourdreams. Yeah I mean like even when you're sag and you just do backgroundwork, Yep, that's good money too. Oh yeah, hundreds of day! That's whymovies cost so much to go see if people is because they're paying every singleperson. In that background, a couple hundred bucks a day yeah and if you're,a SAG member in Yo doing background work like you can make really good, andactually I got a nypd police uniform when we were up there,legit man because yeah because they pay you extra like if you're wearing, ifyou invest in your own, uniform, okay cool because they need that in thebackground, sometimes yeah. So if you were a SAG member, you could actuallygo to the precinct in New York City and by a real police. Uniform Laugh, that'swild, which is insane yeah yeah. No, they don't really. They can't give youthe real bad course, so I have like an my pat uniform and I use it a few timesfor, like blue bloods sure, and then shortly after that we ended up.We had to move out of New Jersey and so everything's on the back run. Er withthat, but eventually that's cool, make it with this and empty. When I make itwith this NDEPA financial freedom, maybe we'll get another house likesomewhere. Like I don't know, yeah you never know what comes dude. I waslistening to Kanye on drink champ IPING. Just talking talking his that's a ypolar. He definitely does like people with bipolar. We see it in other people,even if they don't want to acknowledge it for whatever political reasons orentertainment reasons. You know people anyway, but that's not really a secret,but that fucker's got a great point. I love his new thing so when he wasliving in the Mercedes stadium, that wasn't a thing for him. He wastrying to make a show out of he's. So I live wherever my whole goaling life nowis to have friends in every city. Never pay for anything like I want to go to arestaurant in New York and people say: Hey Kanye, come in we'll feed you forfree, Hey, come over to my house. You can sleep for free, so his whole dreamnow is to just live in a backpack and I'm like well you're drift dude,but I'm like I get it be nice to have that kind of right castto do it and pick up on it like like I'll see. You know like even Gary v Im like he must belike manic or hypomanic right now, like yeah, you know yeah yeah now for sureit's when they throw when all of a sudden they turn dark and like Oh e,these definitely because they could be...

...hyperactive, maybe adhd manic but CONAspecial first year, one Oh yeah he's I mean he's been delusion. He's got bothsides yeah, and we talked about earlier. When you get that that grandiosity, theEGO inflation, I can fucking rule the world. He gets that pretty frequentlyapparently, but then again, it's not horrible, like you and Isuffer from it's so like oh he's, just the regular dude, the rest of the worldseems to demonize him. Because of that I think, and I'm like that's not fair,that guys in a bad position, yeah yeah for sure yeah and it's a double edged, sword, yeah yeahfor sure, because you have that like creative mind and there's so many great leaders andartists and actors and all you know, people scientists throughout historythat have this type of mind. You know- and it's just you know it's just it's a blessing andit can a double et sort. Yeah now yeah. I dig it like, but to your pointearlier I definitely leaned. If I had to choose, it would always be manic. Ihave no use for depression. I have many uses for mania yeah. Do you get the depressed part atall yeah? I have this running mimitate, it's kind of fucked up, so I have thisrecurring like I feel, like I hate myself like the true depression thing,but it's working depression. I get up and I can fucking put on my matic frontsize, that's how I'm similar to that like yeah, but it will be like, for example, lately I'm like I'm like, I feel likeI'm not getting anywhere with his nme yeah yeah, but I have to keep pushingyou know. The mania helps me a was yeah, maybe that be what that PP project,because that's what's you know, that's what's really popping off, but yeah maintain your sanity, Dude you'reon the right you're on the right path, and I think you're going to right,speed right and put it out. What do you call it? I sold one piecegreat congration was in a club house group, and I told my story and peopleare like Holy Shit like wow, like that's crazy, that you've gone throughall that, and so so it was actually my birthday evenbetter, but even better what a great as my birthdayand one of the people in the audience. You know and there's a lot of people ina to space that have a lot of money. Yeah for sure you know, then you haveto have some kind of money to be able to buy these expensive cases, because alot of this is not cheap nope, although when you're when you're, it's so crazy,when you compare e to the at it's just like it's, you know what I mean it'slike still weird right, yeah yeah, it's weird right. It doesn't seem like whenyou have like a little bit of eat the little bit of et. The Way it looks iscomparing it to fee out. It's like it's just my it is. Somebody said You shouldbuy a ledger wall. They only cost point zero, zero, zero to eth, and I, like Oh yeah. Well, you look ata come to that when I first was doing this and I listed up one of my ftes, Iadded a zero and I sold it for L. I forgot how much I sold it for, but itwas too cheap. You know yeah ye get getting used to like this. How manyZeros you put in that's right, yeah! You always got to keep an Owen rushingand your pooing, and you want to sell something real, quick to jump intosomething else. Yeah, you can make a mistake and the Cape the people in like what do you call? I guess in Club Housethey're all talking about what the project is and, like somebody made amistake. So if you sometimes you can get good deals. If you sit by like somepeople a lot of times, people do that yeah. They point out a good projectthat has a mistake somewhere in there of a pricing. Mistake Yeah and youcould see somebody somebody messed up yeah and that hurts and you, in theother one and yeah hurts the floor for sure, because people just start causeor it hurts like your your real pocket book. He madethat mistake, and I made that mistake one time but now like when I'm listingsomething I like double she yeah, it's a like a ten times mistake right. It'sthe difference between a hundred bucks and a thousand bucks. It could be a bigmistake yeah, because the thing was is I sold. This is when I first got into trying toyou, know, buy and sell them. Then p t flip them yeah. I bought something justbecause I was like. I think this could do good right and I listed it. I wokeup in the morning a checked my email and was like it's. So I was like whatyou like to quit US crazy. Like a like, I think I spent like a hundred Lasomething like that, because it was really not a big artist and he startedblowing up and all of a sudden like it's sold it so to like raising righttousand, almost two to like sixteen hundred hours right. So I had that eatand I was like all right: I'm going to buy something in a buy something nowand I bought something and then, when I went to list it, I added an extra zero. Oh Damn Dude and Iwas yeah. I was like man a but everbody...

...else. Ah Well, and it's it's a hardlesson, but it's a well, it's a well! It's a deeply learned lesson. Let's putit that way, you won't forget yeah. I have not been scammed, like you know,that's one. You know that happens a lot in this space too, when you're new yeah,I could imagine- I don't know, I'm just skeptical most shit, I'm like I'm, notclicking anything unless I know yeah that kind of thing like on discord whenthey want to verify you, like you know with that. What is it the somethingbout yeah? I never I'm not going to bear the verify, bought thing, yeahverified by it. I'm not I'm not doing that, not, but a one for that shit. Itmight be legit, but that's a I could do without it as where a lot of people getmessed up. The new bes that getting on to discord yeah, Oh yeah, this cords, ashit, show to me. I just I have a problem with like simplicity andminimalism and discord just whoa. It's like going to a digital jungle, yesyeah, especially in really like. If you ever go to the friends. Discord havebeen that one yeah he's a shout to me. This is a Mike. What could you evenread this Yeah Yeah Yeah? That's wild man. So Cola Dude. I really appreciateyour time. You, like I said you're, always welcome back here. I usuallypromote the hell out of this for, like the next three or four days, and then Istart working on next week's podcast a lot of times like I'm, considering chopping these in the smaller bits andputting them up as ftes, maybe on object or something like that where thelow gas fee. So just because I'm curious like what happens, if you put afucking podcast in n FT, I mean it doesn't matter not be there forposterity sake, a thousand years from now, okay, yeah! Well, it's true! Where is thisgoing to be like on Youtube or bees go out to damn itunes, spotify, audible, Amazon?I heart all those places, all the audit, all the listening places, basicallyaudible, yeah yeah. Strangely I got on to audible about a year ago. Me Too. Ilove digital books and I drive a lot for my job, so I'm always listening tonew shit. Well, mostly, it's been at podcast lately, but that's how Ilearned so fast. That's how I can get uploaded or on boarded to something soquickly, as if you just put your mind to it, you watch it fucking five daysof youtube videos or binge listen to hours and hours to podcast, so yeah Ilike having just something normally, I don't even turn on the cameras, becausesometimes the if you close your eyes and have aconversation, it's a slightly different conversation. So I'll test this. When Igo back to listen to it I'll say: Oh yeah, that worked out just fine. Ibecause a lot of the people I deal with and work with are in the mental healthspace. I just give them the option of nocamera on their side, because body issues and a lot of people have bodyissues they don't want to be seen on a camera at all me I mean is this hasbeen awesome like very natural, like nothing didn't seem like awkward yeah.Yes, no, you do great and I think you'd make an awesome podcast toast of yourown, so you know throw that in another priority, pile list of things to do too,but man you've got your sad card. You've got a great present presentationvoice and you very kind of focused on what you're speaking about to so I's,not a lot of stumbling around. So I think I'd probably heard that in thetwitter spaces, which I reached out to you, like, I didn't reach out toanybody else in twitter space because they were kind of boring to me. Butwhen you start popping off, I'm like guys something special there. So Iappreciate man and keep Ike all the fucking killer work and remind people.Do you have website up yet I just pointing to six twitter? Okay, Idon't have a website right now, so go to twitter, slash, metaverse and ft artand you'll find some o second yeah. Let me just double check that roadway. Ipretty semetipse and FC art yeah, that's the handle, so that's wheremanick keeps up all of his current social links, so jump in there checkout his art. I'm Goin also going put all the links down below in the shownote so, if you're clicking around on your phone or whatever want to go, seesome fantastic art by matic click on those links down below and we'll seeyou next week at the Emo Dojo fucking a- and I know I've been super hyped aboutthe nfd these past, the three or so episodes, and I apologize to mylongtime listeners, who don't give a fuck about ftse and also to my friendswho have been harassing to make their creative works into ftes when they justman, don't really feel like it. So I apologize for that and I will catch youup to speed on this, because there is some drama on the N ft twitter. I haveto talk about so in all the hype I've been talking about for the past threeepisodes. I need to warn you about the downside of n ftes on the next episodecoming right up. So I will post this episode up on Monday night andhopefully by Thanksgiving Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever I will have thatsecond episode about nf t's, like the...

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