Emo Dojo™ Presents: John Emotions
Emo Dojo™ Presents: John Emotions

Episode · 11 months ago

How come there are no grumpy old chimps?

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Chimpanzees stay happy until the day they die because they are not aware of the concept of death or dying. Gary and John talk about self-awareness, happiness and growing old ... and grumpy.

So anyway, what I was saying: Oh, Hey,welcome back to Emo Dojo what up Gary, what up so Gary I just stopped by theDojo today. Becky will be back tomorrow when we're interviewing podcaster JacobThornton. That should be fun, we're doing that live Sunday at noon. CentralTime you can look on the Internet to figure out what time that is in yourarea. Jacob should be fun, he's autistictells it like it is, and he's really interested in starting his own show andgetting that up and running. So I figure why not an who a better guess tohave to chat with about fun, stuff, cool, anyways yeah. We were justtalking about how fucking Matthew mcconey is everywhere. Dude do s. It started because I get onthe the live TV, a lot of people. Don'twatch, live, tu or even have live TV anymore, but I turn it on because I live whereit's flat, so on most modern TVs. If you just turn on your antenna, you cancatch real signals where it's flat of actual TV. It's amazing this weird shitI feel like I'm in the hts. I see commercials for furniture stores andall kind of stuff, but anyway you see like three hours of various programmings from NBC abccbs. Still I forget what they'recalled good morning. America type shows morring shows morning. Talk shows, yeswere to God. He was on every single Waner of them y Tri Yo Escape Hi'm.Like h this guy I mean I love the Guy, but I'm like whatever not in the moodright now. So I switch to the other channel too much it's over saturation.Well now what he was telling what he wastalking about, or I just wasn't in the mood for him that time or whatever youknow, because you can't be in the mood for your favorite thing all the time,just looking for something else and now switch to the other channel. Well,coming up matthew, mcconnangh, Hey, I'm like Yah. What next channel same thing,I got the fuck and then later that night s flicking by that hot wing showhot ones. There's fucking Matthew, maccottahey, I'm Ny one, my teethsChrist and then you told me: You see Matthew mccoahey on Rogan, I'm like, Oh,my God at guys, fucking everywhere, all you figure since the Ol covid thing youcan't really go onto these shows in person, so you might as well bring thisshow to him yeah. Well, when you're Matt, mcconnag, Hey, you probably havethe best pr campaign people ever so they just make it effortless just getout o there O do and you're trying to promote your memoir. It's like you gotto go everywhere. Yeah, it's a good story. T tell her to I mean even likecoursespresenting hisself in these interviews, he's listenable. I just I'mlike Whoa. It's overwhelming. It's amazing yeah. My first taste was stern.He was on stern on Wednesday and then it went from there Myeah and then Isamalike entertainment tonight. Can you believe entertainment tonight is stillon no weird like when you're flicking by the real TV late at night, like what heertanment tonight havethese old reruns and like nope? It's actually still a show like damn SOM reruns y of the fuck. Would you rerun entertainment tonight? Do they rerunall the old shows, I'm like tha. This is weird Thi's, like entire channels ofjust old reruns of even like game shows and TV I mean topical shows, but of thetime I'm like o. This is weird. They include the old commercials in manycases too. That's fascinating. That is fascinating, especially the commercials,but that actually reminds me of how things don't change. They seem tochange, but the glossy covering Chans, the frosting on the cake changes alittle bit, but man humans have been the same way for generations andgenerations. Definitely far back as I can see mm for sure. So I was lookingat article talking about emotions and...

...happiness and grumpy old man. So do you think? Okay, here's an interesting sidethought sin. Some cultures happiness is not even a goal right like in Japan.I've heard it's just not a goal. It's not a thing! It's not like it's, notsomething you it's not something you can achieve. It's something youexperience in a moment or not. It's not something Chinese are the same way aswell right so Asian culture. Basically, that's not. They understand thathappiness is not a STAK. You live in it's somewhere Yeo as work work, work,Yeahwell, they're, not anti happiness. They just don't think it's somethingthat you can keep working towards and then wone dey get to. They acknowledge it as just a thing youexperience, and then you go to the next thing. Well, that probably explains theoppressiveness feel of Japan. I've heard from many many people that havebeen there that they say Heah, there's an oppressive feeling going on therekind of dower explains the strange Japanese suicide forest. Have you heardof that Thi Suicide Force now yeah? It'sapparently there's some forst out there with a lot of people, hang themselveskind of kind of like the Goldengate bridge here right, yeah, yeah, verymuch a landmarkin that sense and a lot of people visit it just to get creepedout and ye. Apparently, a lot of people ust go there to hang themselvese creepywow, but anyway, so in those countries. Here's the interesting thing so inAmerica were a lot more supposed to be self sufficient. You know autonomoushumans individualistic right, not so much community oriented socialist blackblack bad we're supposed to be strong individuals pick ourselves up that kindof thing M, so getting back to the happiness bit. How important do youthink self awareness is to happiness? I think it's the whole thing. You thinkyou have to be aware of yourself and your existence in the in the universe.To Find Happen, I'm not saying that's the key to do happiness, but I'm likedo you think, that's the key towards the path to happiness. Yes, lesure, therelative comparent, comparing of things well, as the saying goes, when you'recomfortable in your own skin, you put it out an energy that other people canfeel. You know because you're, if you're uncomfortable in say, likepublic situations, you know like you're, an introvert, you're you're, putting itout there and people are going to be kind of stand offish. You know, becauseokay, but so what? If your introvert and yourself aware that you are anintrovert, so you're saying just the gest yure behavior accordingly, because you're selfaware Gotya, okay,Ye h Wel, this is starts to get to the point that about happiness. So I waswritten article about Grumpy, old man right, okay and it's not to pick on man at all.Didn't even mention women, but drumpy old man's a thing so they're looking atto why or men grumpy why? Why are men grumpy as they get older?So can you hypothesize? Could what do you think that is hi think it has a lot to do with whenyou get old and you think about the past, you thinkabout, I guess those good things that were there and you maybe want them now, but you can't get it so, I'm kind of a long longing for thethings you've lost. That makes sense. That's a good one,...

...just the nostalgic remembrance of thepast, but won the fiits Youv notice when you do run into a grumpy kind ofperson. It's just like things used to be better and simpler. Back in my day,you know every generation has that yeah. So what do you think they mean by myday I got a new I, when you're, when you'reyounger and more Pissan, vinegar, that more I gess somwere. I don't ev herjust what I think it is okay, so I think when people say things were better inmy day the quote unquote my day that they arereferring to was a time when they were not aware or concerned with their owndeath, and I think the older we get the morewe become concerned, or at least aware, are of our own death, and we becomeaware of the fact- or at least subconsciously aware that are quoteunquote best days are behind us and that I think, makes us mad because weknow death is coming it's much closer than it used to be. Therefore, God damnit I'm mad, because o Wen an you're saying you get closer to death age wise makes you man, make sure CoraCane heres, here's the thing, but apparently it's the self awareness. The awarenessof our death is the problem because they did a study with chimpanszes, monkeys wow. They have emotions andfeelings like humans, Jim Pansyis in particular. In this study they haveemotions, they cry. They do a lot of amazing things. People don't actuallyrealize they react, they have emotions. What CIMPANS Ese don't have is any knowledge of death, chimpanzs grow old and they stay happyuntil the day they die. I said that is fucking, fascinatingdude, so it's our awareness of death in the future. That makes us grumpy yes,because chimpanss also have memories of the past and they have knowledge of the presentsawareness too. What's that it's kind of subconscious awareness too, because as you get older, there's going to be times where you'renot thinking about death right, but you were already taught about it. Like youknow what I mean it's already in your head, like you're, not consciouslythinking about how you learned English, but you're, reading a book so the dayof the day, your existence you're not you've, hardly ever thinking aboutdeath, but I think somewhere gnawing at the back of your brain that eightminute that takes away you like one step closer to death, one step closerto death, God, damn it things used to be better when I didn't know was soclose to death, even though you're not thinking about it. You'resubconsciously, inking about your subconsciously, knowing about it, let'ssay knowing: Yes, Ye s, it's throughout your whole soul that you know aboutdeath and the older you get. There's more validation. Your friends startdying, your family ahead of you start passing away. You know y there'sabandemic on people all around Tou die, so you stat, like wow death, isimminent and if I don't get my shit together, God them and then you startto get frustrated with yourself, and that makes people grumpy, because nowyou're just angry at yourself for not having your shit together. Nothing heclock is ticken or or your surrounded by people that are health challenged.You know, yeah my immediate family, mother and father and brother Healthchallenged right now that reminds you, so that reminds you like death is real,like that, the we deterior rate we end...

...some point, so that I mean it becomesour our overwhelming knowledge and the thing is like yeah, that's. That waswhat I was found strange that Chim Panzis don't know that, because I knewthat Jim Pansy's had feelings. I knew that they could remember things thatbecause they could learn like language and things like that too. So they haveremembrance of things like sign language, but is really funny that myfavorite thing thoughts of the future. Thinking of the future. You could justhypothesizing a dreaming and day dreamming and imagining of a future allright, Shim Panzies, don't have any of that. They stop right here right now.This is it living in the moment yeah or the past,but but not the future at all. In the moment, Fred stops laughing freds. Not here now it's like. Do youreally think that Chimpan sees live in the past? At some point? I think theylearn from the past. I don't think they have the capacity to quote. Unquotelive in the past, like we Doa John with each other. Okay remember about twoyears. It can now here's the thing, though, because monkeys do more in theloss of a loved one. For example, F the monkeydies, they'll mourn the the they'll miss that interaction, and they won'tknow what to do and they'll mourn in their special little monkey way, but then they'r etribe community, butfor some reason that morning never in plants in their mind that that willhappen to them. One day too, they just thought doesn't cross theirmind that that will happen to all of them. tever cross the point thattotally makes sense and that's probably a key to life- well I's a Ky Aparin.This sense, it's a key to a happy life from start to finish. If you just don'tknow that you're going no die, you just as happy as you're going to be,I mean not', say every monkeys, a baseline level of happiness. They'reall not at a hundred, but if a guy lives at sixty five, his whole lifehe'll just hit the wall and dies sixty five level of happiness. Yus. Well,remember when I told you that empathy seems to be a thing that ISS a little thin on me. In other words,when people die, it's like yeah, I'm sad, but I'm not like mourning. I get more into a maybe tribute mode of like you startreally thinking about the good times you had with that person. Yeah that'stotally valid. Just because you don't cry about it. Doesn't I don't thinkevery like, because when you, when you lose people and you go to griefcounseling, the first thing they teach, you is, like everybody grievesdifferently, thereis, no right or wrong way. So right that, if that's your wayto grieve, that's totally valid and and special. You know what I mean. Well.I've said that you know when I die. If, if someone can do it, you know justhave a celebration of life. Don't mourn me just fucking yeah, you know Ye pickthe good parts talk about those o. You know have a have: a party celebrate anexcuse. Yeah just use it as an excuse to for a party. Why not yeah thisfucker died. He was cool. You know he partied as well. So so t makes mewonder if it'sest already forhim is that to key to our happiness or is thatUky to our happiness is just trying to put aside the idea thatwe're going to die one day? I think it's a key to a happiness, ecause Youo,of course the I actually had a conversation with a new friend, that's Catholic, and you know I brought up. I go. What is it with you,Catholics and just celebrating the dead so much it es to be? What's at with you,fulking Catholics over here being lan culture to that there's just acelebration of the dead yeah for sure Adon't get it. I don'tunderstand it. I just don't understand wasting time in a cemetery talking or just staring...

...at the gravestone of someone thatpassed, I mean. Don't you think that person would probably go hey? Why don'tyou go do something instead of being here? Do you think theyre? Actually thinkthey're talking to that person, I think there is some sort ofconnection in that way. Yes, at that, I think there is well I mean they're, notHel. You could be right, so maybe having a conversation, but most arejust there. Just to. I guess. I cound see that, like honestly, ecause,okay, here's how I could see that like, for example, you and I both like nature-we like hiking and riding our mountain bikes off into the hills and stuff. Sogiven that most cemeteries are also quiet, a lot of them are hilly. They'rebeautifully, kept they're, just kind of pleasant, peaceful places to be. I likepeacefulness a lot and I don't really think of the dead as creepy at all. Soto me, it's it. I don't really have a loved one or even anyone. I know that'san a cemetery I can visit, but if I did it would definitely be aplace. I would consider riding my bike, maybe once or twice a year, stopindbuyind just chilling, and in the few minutes I would stop and just kind ofpay a quiet observance to the headstone and think of the good times. But beyondyou. What see here makes sense to me well and on top of and on top of a niceplace to bike ride if it was a shitny place on top of a dark hill? No, I'mnot Sarre, I'm just not going there, but you know e so agree with. You,though, is the peacefulness. Yes, the peacefulness and feel of you know some place why you just wantto escape. To that part, I totally get that that meyare fascinating toespecially the old ones like there's a overand black diamond mines up inPittsburgh, California, it was old mining, town and the wholetown got wiped out by black lung disease or some shit because of all thecold dust they were bringint out of the mine. So there's a whole bunch oftombstones up there from like the eighteen, hundreds and then I thinksmallpox came and wiped out the rest of the town. So it's really trippy as likelittle headstones at like born eighteen. Ninety six die eighteeed. Ninety seven,I'm like yeah. I was a little baby in there crazy shit, but that's just historicstuff. That's not that's a little different than what you're talkingabout yeah, but is it a Catholic thing? Don't jus go to Jewish cemeteries ordon't military families do the same thing at military and scimetars? Idon't know I'm only going by the people that I've come in contentes with youjust know more Catholics than Jews or military people. Maybe II, don't knowknow of any Jewish Jewish descendants, a vicky coker, themoney, Yeah Wen, the my motherinlaw jowish yeah. For you definitely I I did have one tape trader friend in New York City. Hewas definitely deiish but yeah. That was it because there's not really a lotof o Wat unclte. I mean to your point. Ithink all the religions do it the cemetery thing. So you just just seen the ones in yoursocial circles, but I'm fairly certain all the different ones to it. You're probably right, although alsoCatholics have some of the more involved rituals about death that I'veseen afe like I went to a proper Catholic funeral when my buddy raisefather passed away and they all had the same uniform. They all have the same:beads they'll, Hade, the same Crucifix Cross and they're all like seeming todo similar prayers and by multitude of numbers. Remember when you have towrite sentences on the chalkboard, when you got in trouble at school, that'swhat they would do. They would repeat these prayers over and over and count abead and beat and bea it push the beat up, as they would say the prayer. Sothat's what a lot of them are doing: they're, reciting a prayer each timethey push a beat up. Well, look how long that Necklaceis! That's a lot ofbeads right there, so a lot of them are...

...spending time doing a ritual. That's what I know that about Catholics.I don't know if Jews have prayer, beads or nativeAmericans dance around Ta Wigwam or some Shit. I don't know that makessense. The the ritual part yeah, because I mean I think the ritual doestake a number of times. If you go to the to church on Sunday and said, H'vebeen missing my dead husband and he says oh well, go, you know, read the B,Blah Bla passage a hundred times and you'll feel better. Well, really he'sjust telling her to meditate for people that don't know how to meditate. So yougo there and you get a hypnotic state. You read it over and over and it youknow, washes away your troubles because you'r know focused on a new thing: HM.That's fine, it's different, because we don't do it, but it's it's fine, learn something new. Every day. I've I remember Shit. I didn't knowevery day. That does make sense, though, thatevery type of religion has their own rituals towards the passing of loved ones or friends orwhatever. Once some Berry some burn, some, you know putting on a pire and araft and float down the river still yeah, I'm not sure what the rest of Yo I justI mean I was raised in a Christian society by mostly kind of Christianpeople, so we either like cremated or put into a casket whichever you want orafford it used to be the casket thing, but it seems like most, people havegone towards creemation lately and a lot of people are into the don'tput me in urn spread me out f around my favorite place. Those are that's. That's my folksdirective. Yeah, that's pretty much most Americans I know are like that. Yeah I mean my folks bought a. What do you call that when you're inone of those mausoleums, I don't know a slot, it yeah? Okay, they bought into a Nidge what goes intoand it they got closer towards no dud teven, tnow they're still aliveyeah. They said you know what, if you guys needthe money, go ahead and sell the Nich and just you know, spread our remains on like Monttaablo. Thatamazing, like that cemetery spots and Masolem spots like nitches, are liketimeshares. Basically, you just buy into it, but there is value becauseother people want that correct. Yo We've actually noticed that it'sincreased in Valleula, it's almost like property, so it's property is literallyproper. It's like timeshare, you don't own the land, but you own a byagreement, the value of that piece of the land that you have been paying intomm. I think that's neat, how bigs de Nitian, what supposed to go into itlike a couple Erns I mean ideally, is that originally what those are for? Arethey like a locker size space inside of a big marble room? I think there you goJoe Wa seur said Yep yeah, marble ROM and some little locker deal Ian have like your name ingrained on it,so geting put little plaqs or a little mounted flower urns, and thingslike that on the side. If you get if ye upgrade, there's a fancy, one, not theHollywood forever cemetery, but one west of there in Hollywood, whereMarilyn Monro is born, is like that. It's almost all like that around theedges, it's fun Huh, you said born Oh Barryd, Demitt, okay, but she's, notactually there. I think she's in one of those naches. Are you talking the big huge? What's IT CA? It's the oning. It's not forest lot, either THAEOUGHYEAH! No! It's not that one! I didn't my friend of mine, who has a...

...deep history of Hollywood, showed mewhere it was it's down sunset. Basically, Oh, wait a minute! There's bad like acelebrity one! Well, Thir's, two: okay, there's the Hollywood for everyone,which is in kind of the heart of Hollywood with DDI remone statue andall that yeah, really bad as like pyramid, gless, stayined, Glass Pyramid,Mosle. The whole thing is super cool. It's not that one! I'm like! Oh well!Where is it so? I drove me down to Beverly Hills. It's just like a squareblock in Beverly Hills. It looks like a a city park almost just like one squareblock, with a bunch of trees and grass, but it's full of headstones. That'swhere mal blank was Marilyn Moro, like that level of celebrities were downthere wow, but yeah forst lines. A trip too, if I fastened the whole thingabout dying is fascinating that the fact that it's an industry is reallyinteresting. It is an industry, the undertaker I waslistening to a country station the other day here in Oklahoma. They got astation called Hank Etham. It's like that's perfect, O I'm GNTO. Listen tothis well whate are the lyrics ind one of the country songs. I was listeningto they're talking about how they're hanging around I think a song wascalled down home and help GRANDPA was buried up under the maple tree. I startto think how fucking simple of the life can we get? Let's just bury ourfamilies on our property and we just go sit out on the bench by GRANDPA andGRANDPA. So then it wouldn't be as weird like that would be a interestingritual for white people in America to do instead of counting beads, but itwould still be a ritual yeah. This is before all the the bigcity started, and you know everybody. A Land Y to yeah yeah, just dia, dig aplot, couldn't see that that'd be weirdanyway, so yeah we get grunpy because we fear death. Apparently, are wecompared death to our earlier more youthful times? I've always found cemeteries just to bekind of. I guess because of it's quietness. Itjust feels weird yeah. That's all in ourhead. I don't think a Champianzwoulh, no dick about a cemetery. He probably goes shit on a headstone. Theyjust don't knowhe like death. What's death, I have no respect fo to dead,because I don't even know what death means. I like that. I actually likethat perspective. I think I might adopt that go for it. Well, the problem isactually do know. Whith Deathmans, like you, can't unlearn what you alreadyknow: Ow You can unlearn whatever you wantjust matter whether you want to you can't you cant your brain to dowhatever you wanted to do you can't unlearn it you have to overlearn it.You have to put new stuff on top of it, that's stronger than the earlier shit. In other words, you can't peel it backand just go back to nothing. You can't pour nothing into your head and say:Okay cover up that, like a eternal sunshine of a spotless, mind idea, hmmselective memory, racier, all right, dude, let's get out of here tomorrow, noon, Sunday, an noon centraltime, we're going live with Jacob Thornton and our cohost becky will joinus. What you doing the rest of the day I waitit back up a secores. You meantyou mentioned that you want to do like a half hour beforethe guest comes on. So do you wh? Are you doing earlier than that? And then the guestcomes on at twelve? What do you want to do? In other words, do you want tostart broadcasting to this audience at eeven thirty, when we're quote unquotepracticing and let the guests drop in at noon? Or do you want to just sooit the shit andwarm up before noon and then start recording when he gets here it's up Plevin en minute, fifteen minute ahead of time I meanyeah yeah. It doesn't matter how many minutes, I'm just saying, which way doyou want to go? Do you want to like open up the Mikes and talk...

...to this audience like we're doing now before the guest gets here? Yes, you do.Okay, so they'Llso thisill all go live and then the guest will drop in liveand then, if the guest doesn't drop in Thati'll be live too and will publiclyhumiliate the guests for not showing up it'll be live. We Wan't have any choice.Now We wan't publicly habiliate them, but the fact that they flicked will bebroadcast Lov yeah. I think it should be. I think these people that flake allthe time who cannot keep- I mean it's like dude you're, taking our time away and you're flaking on this thing topromote you want to promote something and you'R flaking on it right right, exactly how someot feels like so the way I lookat it is if they flake then yeah, we coll some out well, we'll still have ashow. That's the cool thing I like about doing a show with you and BEC isthat if the gas flakes we'll just keep talking about whatever the fuck we weretalking about for as long as a show needs to be hell, yeah I love it like, doesn'talways need a guest. I I don't think everybody needs a guest all the time.Sometimes we have enough to get off our chest. We could have included thatwhole Borat review on this show, but I had to tell you about that secret thing.So you know, we've got plenty to talk about all the time and by the way Imight send over an email to Jacob Thornton. I don't know tell me if thisis weird, but I want to see if he'll watch off the rails before he comes on, because Jacob is also autistic, but is that like asking a black person to watch birth of anation before they come on the SA, I mean you know what I mean is that WeirdDask Atistic Person Tho go watch this really powerful movie about an autisticperson person. I don't find it offensive. If that'swhat you're asking I don't either, I think maybe you should wearn. It isjust like hey. Have you seen this movie? If not highly, encourage you to check it out?It would be great to discuss this topic with you right. I agree. I think it's powerful,regardless of where you are on the spectrum. Right I mean I did I I looked up. What was it free Dariusnow yeah yea 's, there's actually a funraizor for him. I saw that I got hisaddress from the psychiatric hospitals in New York toodude he's in a I mean the way they describe the place. They're like yeahhe's around psychotic murderous people, and it's like the-and this is what I don't understand. It's like. He has shown no signs ofviolence, yet they treat him like he's like a murderous criminal, as I don'tget crazy, WHA, Gary and iare talking about Thi's a thing on Amazon. Was ityeah, Amazon, prime, called off the rails, the story of Darius mcallum? Yougot to check it out. I don't Eve, want to give it away just watch the trailer.If it looks like it's something you might be into you'll definitely be intoit. It's an incredible story: man, it's touching! It's just like this. Dudeliterally fell in love with something and yeah. He went into anorthodox waysof yeah pursuing this pans of his of thatthing to him. So I guess a good way to put it was his. He pursued his passionso intensely that he crossed the line all because of that stabbing. That'sall I'm going to say because of the trauma handdart yeah. Well, that wasshocking in the very beginning of the movie you'll find out what we, whatGary just said he was like, stabbed a like. Oh my God, that is shocking, butanyway, so he pursued a passion in...

...trains that hencs the name off therails and then you'll see what becomes of his life, but because he didt lovefrom other people yeah or the acceptance to like do what he wanted todo legitimately. Would you say he's better off, though, in a crazy hospitalaround psychotics, better than riker's island, though I think so. I don't know by what I read about thatplace in upstate New York. It's pretty brutal plait's as bad as theyget as far as mental facilities go because it's lockddown and you're stuckin there with actually people who have killed others, because they'repsychotic he's not psychmotic yeah and he hasn't killed anyone. It's like hehasn't. He isn't, he hasn't hurt. Anyone like you know, t me, isn't hehisn't rape? He has an assault D. He hasn't done anything to any other human,that's the crazy thing so and the the fact that it's exposed that you know heimpersonated. You know a traind person worker went in onmeetings and you know never showed any, I mean and theyembraced him. They were just like. Oh Yeah, you know it's fucking, deriis heshe's fucking sa fit so anyway. I think it's better off o o New York treats Oh yeah, the disapled, it just saydisabled honestly, because where he falls on, the spectrum is up to you todecide as the viewer and how we treat people with various disorders. Like doyou consider a mental disordeer the same as a physical, and would you dothe same thing to somebody that was simply physically disabled 'so, a lotof interesting kind of ways to slice the movie? It'sreally cool, yeah and I'd love to see if someone's going to create somethingthat counters. What we saw is just like. Well, Welyou only saw the one side ofit. You know you didn't see his dark side. You know they kind of coveredthat yea. They protected that side with the prosecutor, so I mean fair ough, it's not like theyignored it. They gave the prosecutor space give hit side anyway. Don't wantto give the rest of the way so go. Watch that, if you're into it so checkit out and been figure, a good way to promote this show is to go on otherpeople's podcasts. Where are the DUDES podcast? I didyesterday was Travis Traviss Brown, the guy, who invented these pod deck things, water, pod, deck these cards with thequestions, Oh yeah, so Ok in honor of my interviewand Trivis graciously having me on hispodcast yesterday. I'm not sure when that's coming out, but it'll be out eventually and thenwe'll get a big spike in our viewers for our listeners, for this show sothat's kind of cool anyway. I really appreciate what he's doing so. Let's go.Do a couple questions and then get the fuck on with their lives right on what makes you feel old. Hmm, I could think of two things. Let me go first yeah! Please do because I'm blanking,okay, the first one's kind of a Combo but they're, definitely combined it's acs and pains slash, recovery time. That's a good one. That definitelymakes me feel old. I'd, never felt that way as a kid you could drink. You couldparty, you could skateboard all day D. You could swim, you could fucking drinkagain. You could all this crazy shit right. Nothing next day, just sleep it off,not even a full night sleep you just bing the next day I notice, when I gotreally close to Fifte, almost exactly fifty for some reason, like just kindof ache, a little bit getting out or Bater. Like that's funny, I didn't Ididn't help anybody move yesterday. I didn't do anything worthy of aches orsometimes we'll just do something like...

...right, Aboutii, neck, correct, yeah orI wrote a bike and I'm like, why am my thighs ar its like, because you haven'twrote a bike and like at least six or seven days like and like six orseven days, and my muscles are aching alread 'm like what the fuck, so youjust get that Achs and pains and the recovery time when you do actuallyinjure yourself like you fall or you bok. Your kneers cut your skinner, myskin steel, heals fast, but I'm just the Achy bess of balking damage of falling and that kindof stuff, that's luks. That makes me feel old. That's a good one. I think the other thing that kind ofmakes me feel old is I've adapted this I like to be home before it gets dark. I love it. That'sawesome, you know what I mean Ifucki. I know the God you're talking aboutit'Snot I'll jump in the car and go somewhere, but more or less I'm notreally in the mood of investigating the night anymore. Like I ust Ave, beennothing good happens after dark. Like my grandma always said, and like yeah,maybe grandma had a point. That's whan. I see stories about badshit happeningto people three in the morning and like well. That's what you get you don'tfuck go bed go to, bed go home, let'shout up, Trus Rock said it besthe's like if you're at the ATM at three o'clock in the morning and you'rewithdrawing two hundred ollars. So you ain't, you ain't getting it foryou know going to the hospital or anything like that. You're gonna do some fucking illegalstuff, yeah yeah agreed among those lines yeah after dark sat, that's good.The other thing that makes me feel old currently is tick. Tock, it's the first thing I just fucking,don't get! I don't get it. I don't think about tick talk, so it doesn'tinturnto. My Brain o'ti try not to think about these brandnew social media type. APPS that you know just keep putting in the yous you really to thinkabout it. Oour life, you re, have to think about it to make it for it tomake you feel old, anytime. So you're, aware of it, though, a you've seen ascreenshot OFOR, a video or two of it. I've never seen a video. I've only seen screen shots and links,and I just go. No, I don't I don't care yeah, so you get it so that the itspopularity is. What makes me feel old like the fact I don't get. Why it'spopular is what makes me feel old, okay. Well, I don't feel old in thatregard. I just feel like this is something that I I don't give a shit about. Whetherthat makes me old or just yeah know that is it that's it like. I woly don'tgive a shit about, and normally I try to give a shit about all things,entertainment, industry or music industry related right. not this onelike just not only don't give a shit, it's not apathy! It's like discussed,like hatred like I dislike. It Don' think it's ruining shit and liketottally so yeah, but but because I feel thatway, I'm like wait. I sound like something an old person would say:that's why I'm like ies that make me feel old yeah. It's just that kind of thing it's,but that's just indicative of any kind of new media that I'm not understanding,but so far I understand, like almost I understand the allure of Youtube. Iunderstand the elor of netflix video gaming online gaming, all those things,but when it came to tick Tock, I'm like and then it got superpopular like what.Why like what my old now is it d? I finally get old. That's what I startthinking. Well, I think usually what happens when something gets superpopular? Is it has a money, a big money, backer behind it that yea a mass, a marketing type thing to theaudience they're going after, which is...

...mainly teens and tties yeah. Well, it's also mean that'sChinese money, but basically the Chinese military government has thecontrol over tick tock that right. That troubles me too, butI'm not like a conspiracy freak about it. I just like: Well that's just oneother layer of my hatred for a dumb thing. I don't understand already hm yeah. I guess, because I don't think about it. I don't havehatred towards it. When I should you know now you shouldn't Lik, he it's like when snapchack came along,I'm like Oh great another thing that yeah exactly Uka Vine Snapchat, thistick tock thing all of that when tour age try and use it. That's where I justgot Suka gradit to trying to be Kidan, I mean ecause Fuyo live in it societyright now, where everything is geared towards being a fucking teenager andthat's what really annoys me about do think how how we've become it's likewhen the whole social media thing came about, I'm like! Oh, it feels likewe're all teenagers again we're in HIGECOLT's. Like do you think. Do youthink I agree with you? Do you think it's because we've fear death we'relike we're just going to Clim to our teenage years because we're unlike CIMPanss, we're aware of death and even more so now, because people stare atthe screens and elious see are riots and corrupt politicians and pandemic.So Youa n? Fine? We Are you talking our age group or just humans in general,American Society in general, American Society in Generalyeahoall, the WesternWorld Il Wul, develop countries that use the Internet, basically dude thitssomemane's, going to say it's pretty coble. Now we're all trying to beyouthful trying to be young, because maybe we just fear death. Maybe we needto go back to our monkey heritage and stop worrying about death. Just livehappily into we're old and the we just drop op. Well, I've kind of noticedthat since I've adopted a little bit of a hippy lifestyle, meaning that I lovedoing things naked and just you know just feeling what it's like to just benaked and do things and be comfortable. You know in my own house naked so and in those times I'm not wellsoanswer the question. What makes you feel old bout what moment? So, whatmakes you feel old, I think there's a number of things buttrying to narrow it down to just a talking point is difficult for me atthis moment. Take the top one off the list. Well, you you nailed the one about. Youknow the ANCs and pains that that's a given, in my opinion, yeah o onlybecause we know now. I would not have thought that that was a given. I usedto hear old people bitch about the ags and pains when I was younger, and Itrie not to be that old guy of bitching about the pains honestly they're, notthat bad they're just noticeable more than when I was young like when you'reyoung you don't haveree to I have that goes along with the EGS and pains I'd,say memory! Oh No, that's a good one DU for sure that does that make youactually feel like you're losing it well, I think it's by design, becauseyou know when these smartphones came along. My memory started getting worsebecause it's just overloaded with information- and you know with that.Bembarment of information, I have a hard time retaining otherimportant information, because it's it's just swimming in this pool ofother information than I may or may not know what to do with yeah. I've read aninteresting story about how the human...

...brain works and it's kind of a bad tocompare the human brain to a computer. But I did like this metaphor thatscientist use and they said the reason we have a hard time pulling up datawhen we're older is simply put our hard drives, are full it's. We have more dadat the sort through when you're three years old- and you only know eighthundred words and fifteen colors or whatever like life, is easy as yourprogress through life. You're loading up your hard drive and you might haveto sort through all that data to get to the right answer, and it just takes alittle bit of time. Even at light speed yeah I need to defrag my hart driveyeah exactly ats man. Tho are good aay, that's goodenhough, we're up to like forty five minutes. I think we've had enough, butanything more than forty. Five minutes, I think, once people see the length ofa podcast, an the in the kind of rack. I think I might scare him off so anyway,just if you're listening most of the PODCAST OIN be trimm down. I just don'tfeel like trimming this one down because it's casualy it's casual Saturday. Ithink of it this way, though, if we did not have these smartphones and socialmedia, would my memories still be just as bad? That's what I'm kind of drivingat, I would say, no you'd be forced into using those muscles more. U Yourmemory would be forced into remembering my phone number, your mom's phonenumber, your brother's phone number, like you, be forced in knowing your own.I mean even just numbers alone, all the numbers in your life theare. Now onyour phone, that you don't think of all that stuff is muscles that it takesnot true muscles, but you know I mean burns tha your right, because beforethese cell phones and smartphones we would pick up a phone and just be likeOh yeah. What's that dude? Oh yeah, that's that's number! I can't pull upcaty or fucking Ange or whatever you know right, yea, it's now just like anumber. Luckily, I'm able to retain my parents phone number, my brother's cellphone number and my phone number to only three, but those haven't changed.Imagine if imagine if they change them every couple of years, like people donowadays, then you just be like fuck it be toomuch but yeah. So I think you're right just our COMMUNI. Well, here's e thing.I think we used to be able to read minds and all kinds of crazy things,and I think when the industrial age came around the Bronze Age tools, allthese things nd especially later with the printing press and knowledge, andthen computers, we've slowly started to think that h. That will help us replace our organicabilities. But it does not. It doesn't at all it's stupid. It's almost as lifewe used to be able to fly and read minds and thow were stuck staring atplastic screens, Yep Yep, I'm not tiking. I mean Mnotsocializing, like we used to W, don't even know how all we know how tosocialize us through a plastic. Now we don't even know take the plastic awaybetween us, whether it's clear sneeze shield at CVs or whether it's thisclear plastic shield here between you and me, and different states on theInternet, man, we don't know how to interact with people with there's noplastic between us. I mean the only cool thing right now for technology iswhat we're doing right now, for example, you know being able to well es ethere's tons of cool stuff. You sure have conversations yeah I mean I was. Iwas talking to somebody else about this, like we're in this shit age oftechnology, we're like the experimental age where she just doesn't work. It'sClunky in the future. We're talking forty or fifty years, thatw'll be greattechnology, will read our mind. It will actually serve humanity right now,we're just NYEAH. It's not serving us. We're the guinea pigs we're testing allthese fucking Betato were basically the batotest generation, we're testing allof this shit and it's clunky. Half the people don't use it. There's nostandards, Shit, don't work all the...

...time. There's no tech support, so we'reliving in the shit age of technology. There's some cool stuff out there, butnot compared to fifty years from now, not by long shot. People will laugh atus. In fifty years, people look back and said you hat to use a keyboard on acomputer. What you drove your own cars, that's crazy! You know, I heard a really good analogy yesterdayabout time: traveling it was like our aliens. You know these aliens that have been seen are those the timetravelers. Those are us. Those are us from the future. Yes,there is nothing, but us and aliens they talk about are justvarianive. What we are, if you want to call it human or whatever, but thehumans more throughout infinity. So, yes, we morphinto those things in thefuture and those things come back to try to warn us about Shit, O exactly oris or time travel does does not exist, because if it did don't you thinkthey'd be able to warn us about. Like Oh yeah, I guess you guys didn't blowup the world yet because we're not well paens coming back towarnus, they do born us, but they warn, but they they warn people who then getshut down by the powers that be like the inherent evil forces on earth, tryto intercept those messages and if they can't intercept them, they'll paintthem as conspiracy, theirs than cooks. So we'll never get the true message,but it seems sort of well Hav. People are the ones that actually have the shall we say antenna for these people.I think they're on the right track. They just don't have the resources tobe credible, Yep, like obviously a ten foil hadsilly, but the idea that thereis extra energy floating around in the universethat comes through everything well photons will come right throughAlointham to so. I don't know what they're trying to protect themselvesfrom anyway, because there's a most the energy inthe universe will come straight through me. My desk the Earth, China everythingright now, just passe through all of us instantlyhow. Do we capture that? Howdo we hop a ride on that? How do I disintegrate myself into Protortophotons and just hop a ride on light and go somewhere else, igot to study sience? For that, myfriend, we used to know how to do this. This is the thing whatevethis way to. I want to say thatSilicon Valley definitely is touching into alien technology, because what isthis smartphone thing that came about it just one time I think they're, justa bunch of middlemen that incerted unnecessary technology between us andour creator, a unnecessary layer of silicone. If youwill stilicon sorry, yeahthat doesn't need to be there. If we take away thewhole layer of technology, we will be equally in touch with the rest of theuniverse, as we ever were, but think of it. This way too, SillikanValley had one of the biggest defense contractor companies yeah on the WestCoast. No, it's just an entirely industry of Shit. Humanity doesn't needbecause it's based on constructs Silicon Valley makes its money off war.Well, we don't need war, it's a human idea. It's just a construct. HumanSilicon Valley makes its idea on the idea that we need to communicate better,but we communicate just fine before in the days of the titans and the ind, theGods right now think of it. This way, though,I social media to me is what was what Icalled the downfall itis, just like a it's like a Shitty, fucking old, assfishing that just stuck in the river or...

...something ation of yourself that you're that Youryou're you'reactually imputting the information anocoul call it OFA fimulation ofyourself, ha've called the presentation of yourself yeah, because it's not simulating youat all. It's only simulating the parts of you that you choose to present so right. It's a present pace, er thespeople out there that want to just show them everything about themselves andthen now there's not not even that they it's very carefully. curiated quoteunquote everything to look quote unquote authentic, but it's allbullshit really mm. That's that's! What fuck saying is is some of thetechnology that his come out for computers like before the whole socialmedia thing. I was happy just text or what was itinstant messaging? I had no problem with the instant messaging and you knowsharing links or whatever through emails. I didn't need a facebook or aMYC space or a you know. Whatever else is that it'slike the whole thing with Instagram, everything is like, let's stare at thescreenlesstared pictures and then give our reaction did Yo. Did you ever writea secret love letter to a girl you had ta crush on in school? Did I do yeah, I'm pretty sure I didDoa as one on me. That's old school right there dude. I remember that thatwas fun and that was risky man when you're like in fifth or sixth grade,and you got the balls and the work it up. Te The gumpthion the courage, theaudacity to write a letter to tell some girl the hottest girl in the class likehey your secret Mie Ladof love O ause to write it not present it to her. That's as Fart got for me. My mostembarrassing thing was that I wrote. I Love You Paula on my drumstick and I did not sign it. I think I put hot ice on it, though thename of my Manhands Hi Nice, I'm sixt grade okay, come onSoice do remind you. I graduated when I was sixteen so at sixth grade it had toH, been like ten okay, jus T, I don't dude it's a great name. Gloga Sho jusseen the the it was a ice cube on fire. That's like fire and ice. That's betteris hot ice. It's like sexual chocolate is some good shit, so t ice, you new, nickname and John Hot ice lilyall rigshegot. It FSOI put this drumstick on Paula's door,the pretty girl in the neighborhood and in my class I get to class thatparticular class like third period the next day, there's the kind of beverment pattylike butch kind of girl, whos Knos, Paula she's. All like you know she doesn't even like you,John Lily. Aren't you in that ban hot ice like fuck? This is sixth grade my fuckin sixthgrade I was fucking humiliated. I didn't know about cutting cutting classyet right, but I learned real quick after thatabout cutting class. I was so fucking humiliated. Like me, and a good friend,we shared a crush on a girl and we used to have what we're called I'm not goingto say your name but Blah Blah Blah attacks, and I can't really recall what it is we did,but we would just like look at each other and go oh we're having a blahblah blah attack to and yeah. I don't I'm trying toremember what the fuck it was. But yeah...

...did. She was a Hauty, Oh my God, andwhat were's what' syeronic about this whole thing. I had a crush on her thennever had the balls to ask her out, because you know you had that old thinglike she's, not Goinna like me, Blah BlahBlah, so the selfesteem wasn't there, but re fast forward round. Sen years later we met up. I think it was at the fiveyear reunion and she was kind of a college Hippichick kind of thing, and I was starting to do my concert stuff and you know just out of the blue. Itold her. I was like yeah, you know I'm going to go tape. The there's like afree benefit going on at City Hall. That has the cult playing and Bonnyraid and it was free- and I said, I'm Gointo tape it you want to come alongshe's like yeah, they be gosesome, so she came along and Oh my God dude. Shejust stirred up feelings again and me, and and then I revealed to her, I wasjust like you know what Dina I used to have a fucking crush on you back in sixth grade, butnever had the balls to say Shit and she kind of found that funny and it didn't really go anywhereafter that Nice yeah, that's and then fast forward to what was it the twentyyear? Re Yeah. I think it was the twenty year reunion and- and she is our class president and she married a dude and the dude was atthe reunion, and I saw him in the back in the bathroom. While I was washing myhands. Andi said: I'm all hey dude, I'm just going to level with you right now,because I got to get this out. I go. I used to have a big crush on your wifeand hit's old. He told her husband this at the fucking classroom O in the bathroom Gary and he cous. He goes. Oh reallyand I go yeah dude. She she was. She was a Hotty, your lucky guy,congratulations, I'm jealous and that's pretty much all it was left out all right, then. Well, that's fantastic! Maybe we should justleave Ito that so noon tomorrow. Central time will be here a littleearlier and comeg noon well also get Jacob in hereto talk about his podcast cool cool. Okay. So that means is GNGONTHT for me sure. Well, no, are we starting at noon orare we going to start a little earlier and then your guest is going to be atnooand? I don't remember what was our dude? Yes, the second one, so we are starting at noon. Okay,Jacobs coming at noon were starting early right. So what I'm saying is: Do I geton at nined, thirty quartertell? What time you can come on adds Wi, don't know you want to come on ahalf about earlier fifteen minutes, earlyou tell me and then I'll pass that on to beckyhalf an hour sounds fine, because we like to digress a lot and we should getthat out of our system before Jacob Gomes on good idea. ninethirty. It isokay, I'll see you then, and for all you people still listening. Weappreciate you and listen to tomorrow noon. You could also go to emo. Do Jo dorg and chat with us and I'm also gonna. I think I'm going to live strain, mycamera from my studio, just my side of the audio to the facebook. So if youwant to hear or watch that go forit but to hear the whole thing, you're coanhave to subscribe to our God. Damn podcast, like you're supposed to writemm. All right then were out of here.

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