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How come there are no grumpy old chimps?

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Chimpanzees stay happy until the day they die because they are not aware of the concept of death or dying. Gary and John talk about self-awareness, happiness and growing old ... and grumpy.

Ay. So, anyway, whatI was saying, Oh hey, welcome back to Emo Dojo. What Up, Gary? What up? So Gary and I just stopped by the Dojotoday. Becky will be back tomorrow when we're interviewing podcaster Jacob Thornton. Thatshould be fun. We're doing that live Sunday at noon central time. Youcan look on the Internet to figure out what time that is in your area. Jacob should be fun. He's Autistic, tells it like it is and he'sreally interested in starting his own show and getting that up and running.So I figured why not? Who a better guests to have to chat withabout fun stuff? Cool? anyways. Yeah, we were just talking abouthow fucking Matthew mcconaughey is everywhere. Dude, tell so it started because I geton the live TV. A lot of people don't watch live TV oreven have live TV anymore, but I turned it on because I live whereit's flat. So on most modern TV's, if you just turn on your antennayou can catch real signals where it's flat, of actual TV. It'samazing. It's this weirdest shit. I feel like I'm in the S.I see commercials for furniture stores and all kind of stuff. Anyway, yousee like three hours of various programmings from NBC, abccbs. Still I forgetwhat they're called. Good morning to America type shows, ring shows, morningtalk shows. Yes, swear to God, he was on every single one ofthem. I tries to escape them like this guy. I mean Ilove the Guy, but I'm like whatever, not in the mood right now.So I switched to the other channel. Too much, it's over saturation.Well, HMM, now what he was told, what he was talkingabout? Our just wasn't in the mood for him that time or whatever,you know, because you can't be in the mood for your favorite thing allthe time. So just looking for something else and nic switch to the otherchannel. Little coming up, Matthew mcconaughey. I'm like Na, what next channel? Same thing. I got the fuck. And then later that night'sflicking by that hot wing show, hot ones, there's fucking matthew mcconaughey onhot ones, my Jesus Christ. And then you told me you see Matthewmcconaughey on Rogan. I'm like, Oh my God, that guy's fucking everywhere. All you figure, since the whole covid thing. You can't really goon to these shows in person, so you might as well bring the showto him. Yeah, well, when you're Matt mcconaughey, you probably havethe best pr campaign people ever. So they just make it effortless. Justget out of there and do it. And you're trying to promote your memoir, it's like you got to go everywhere. Yeah, here's a good storyteller toI mean even like prisons, presenting his self in these interviews. He'slistenable. I just I'm like, Whoa, that's overwhelming. It's amazing. Yeah, my first taste was stern. He was on stern on Wednesday andthen it went from there. MMM, yeah, and I saw them likeentertainment tonight. Can you believe entertainment tonight is still on? No, weird, like when you're flicking by the real TV late at night, like whatentertainment tonight? Of these old reruns, and like Nope, it's actually stilla show. Like Damn, some really runs. Why the fuck would yourerun entertainment tonight? Do they rerun all the old shows? I'm like,this is weird. This like entire channels of just old reruns. Of evenlike game shows and TV, I mean topical shows, that of the timeI'm like, Oh, this is weird. They include the old commercials in manycases to that's fascinating. That is fascinating, especially the commercials. Butthat actually reminds me of hold. Things don't change. They seem to change, but the glossy covering change, the frosting on the cake changes a littlebit. But man, humans have been the same way for generations and generations, definitely far back as I can see.

HMM, for sure. So Iwas looking at article talking about emotions and happiness and grumpy old men.So do you think? Okay, here's an interesting side thought. So insome cultures happiness is not even a goal, right, like in Japan, I'veheard. It's just not a goal. It's not a thing. It's notlike it's that's something you it's not something you can achieve. It's somethingyou experience in a moment or not. It's not something. Chinese or thesame way as well, right. So Asian culture, basically, that's notthey understand that. Happiness is not a state you live in. It's somewhereyou pass work, work, work, yeah, or well, they're notantihappiness. They just don't think it's something that you can keep working towards andthen one day get to. They acknowledge it as just a thing you experienceand you then you go to the next thing. Well, that probably explainsthe oppressiveness feel of Japan. I've heard from many, many people that havebeen there that they say, yeah, there's an oppressive feeling going on there. Kind of Dour. Explains the strange Japanese suicide forest. Have you heardof that? The suicide for us now? Yeah, it's apparently there's some forestout there were a lot of people hang themselves and it's kind of likethe Golden Gate Bridge here right. Yeah, very much a landmark in that sense, and a lot of people visit it just to get creeped out andyou know, apparently a lot of people just go there to hang themselves.Creepy, wow. But anyway, so in those countries, here's the interestingthing. So in America, where a lot more supposed to be self sufficient, you know, autonomous humans, individualistic, right, not so much community oriented, socialist, Blah Blah Blah. We're supposed to be strong individuals,pick ourselves up, that kind of thing. MMM, so getting back to thehappiness bit. How important do you think self awareness is to happiness?I'll I think it's the whole thing. You think you have to be awareof yourself in your existence, in the in the universe to find happening.I'm not saying that's the key to do happiness, but I'm like, doyou think that's the key towards the path to happiness? Yes, for sure, the relative compared comparing of things. Well, as the saying goes,when you're comfortable in your own skin, you put out an energy that otherpeople can feel, you know, because you're if you're uncomfortable in, say, like public situations, you know like you're an introvert, you're you're puttingit out there and people are going to be kind of standoffish, you know, because, okay, what, so what if you're introvert and yourself awarethat you are an introvert, so you're saying just the gesture behavior accordingly becauseyou're selfaware. Got You? Okay? Yes, well, this starts toget to the point, then, about happiness. So I was reatting anarticle about grumpy old men. Right, okay, and it's not to pickon man at all. Didn't even mention women, but grumpy old men's athing. So they're looking at to why are men grow dumpy? Why?Why are man grumpy as they get older? So can you hypothesize? Could whatdo you think that is? Hmm, I think it has a lot todo with when you get old and you think about the past, youthink about, I guess, those good things that were there and you maybewant them now but you can't get it. So kind of a long a longingfor the things you've lost. That makes sense. That's a good one. Just the nostalgic remembrance of the past.

But all on the flips you've noticedwhen you do run into a grumpy kind of person, it's just likethings used to be better and simpler back in my day. You know,every generation has that. Yeah, so what do you think they mean bymy day? I got a new hide when you're when you're younger, andmore piss and vinegar that more so, I guess, of where. Idon't know here. Here's what I think it is. Okay. So Ithink when people say things were better in my day, the quote unquote,my day that they are referring to was a time when they were not awareor concerned with their own death. And I think the older we get,the more we become concerned, or at least aware are, of our owndeath, and we become aware of the fact, or at least subconsciously aware, that are quote unquote, best days or behind us. And that,I think, makes us mad, because we have death is common, it'smuch closer than it used to be. There for Goddamn it. I'm madbecause when, and you're saying, you get closer to death agewise, makesyou matter, makes you grow, make you matter. Here's here's the thing. But apparently it's the self awareness, the awareness of our death, isthe problem, because they did a study with chimpanzees, monkeys, while theyhave emotions and feelings like humans, chimpanzees in particular in this study, theyhave emotions, they cry, they do a lot of amazing things. Peopledon't actually realize that. They react, they have emotions. What chimpanzees don'thave is any knowledge of death. Chimpanzees grow old and they stay happy untilthe day they die. I said, that is fucking fascinating, Dude.So it's our awareness of death in the future that makes us grumpy? Yes, because chimpanzees also have memories of the past and they have knowledge of thepresent. Conscious awareness to what's that? It's kind of subconscious awareness too,because as you get older, there's going to be times where you're not thinkingabout death, right, but you were already taught about it, like youknow what I mean. It's already in your head, like you're not consciouslythinking about how you learned English, but you're reading a book. So theday of the day your existence, you're not. You've hardly ever thinking aboutdeath, but I think somewhere gnawing at the back of your brain that eachminute that takes away you like one step closer to death, one step closerto death, God damn it. Things used to be better when I didn'tknow so close to death. Even though you're not thinking about it, you'resubconsciously yet thinking about your subconsciously knowing about it, let's say knowing. Yes, yes, it's throughout your whole soul that you know about death, andthe older you get there's more validation. Your friends start dying, your familyahead, if you starts passing away, you know your there's a pandemic ofpeople all around you die. So you still like, wow, death isimminent and if I don't get my shit together, God damn it. Andthen you start to get frustrated with yourself and that makes people grumpy because nowyou just angry at yourself for not having your shit together. Nothing but clockis ticking. Or you're surrounded by people that are health challenged. You know, Oh yeah, my immediate family, mother and father and brother, healthchallenged right now. That reminds you. So that reminds you like death isreal like that. We deterior rate,...

...we end some point so that,I mean it becomes our our overwhelming knowledge, and the thing is like, yeah, that's that was what I was found strange that chimpanzees don't know that, because I knew that chimpanzees had feelings. I knew that they could remember thingsthat because they could learn, like language and things like that too.So they have remembrance of things like sign language. But is really funny thatmy favorite thing thoughts of the future, thinking of the future, you shouldjust hypothesizing a dreaming and Daydreamman and imagining of a future. All right,chimpanzees don't have any of that. They stop right here, right now.This is it. Living in the moment. Yeah, or the past, butbut not the future at all. In the moment, Fred stops laughing. Fred's not here now. It's like, do you really think that chimpanzees livein the past? At some point I think they learned from the past. I don't think they have the capacity to, quote unquote, live inthe past like we do. Are John With Each Other? Okay, rememberabout two years it can know. Here's the thing, though, because monkeysdo more in the loss of a loved one, for example, if amonkey dies, they'll more aren't the they'll miss that interaction and they won't knowwhat to do and they'll mourn in their special little monkey way. But thenthey're little tribe community. But for some reason that morning never implants in theirmind that that will happen to them one day too. They've just thought.Doesn't cross their mind that that will happen to all of them. Never Crossthe point. That totally makes sense and that's probably a key to life.Well, it's a key. There's this sense it's a key to a happylife from start to finish. If you just don't know that you're going todie, you're just as happy as you're going to be. I mean notto say every monkey's a baseline level of happiness. They're all not at ahundred. But if a guy lives at sixty five, is whole life.He'll just hit the wall and die sixty five level of happiness. Just willremember when I told you that empathy seems to be a thing that is,Liz, a little thin on me. In other words, when people die, it's like, yeah, I'm sad, but I'm not like mourning. Iget more into a maybe tribute mode of like you start really thinking aboutthe good times you had with that person. Yeah, that's totally valid. Justbecause you don't cry about it doesn't I don't think every like because whenyou when you lose people and you go to grief counseling, the first thingthey teach you is, like everybody grieves differently. There is no right orwrong way. So right that if that's your way to grief, that's totallyvalid and and special. You know what I mean? Well, I've saidthat. You know, when I die, if if someone can do it,you know, just have a celebration of life. Don't mourn me justfucking yeah. You know, I pick the good parts. Talk about those. You know, have a have a party, celebrate an excuse. Yeah, just use it as an excuse too, for a party. Why not?Yeah, this fucker died. He was cool, you know, hepartied as well. So so makes me wonder if it's honest party for him. Is that the key to our happiness or is that a key to ourhappiness? Is just trying to put aside the idea that we're going to dieone day? I think it's a key to a happiness because, you know, of course there's a I actually had a conversation with a new friend that'sCatholic and you know, I brought up I go, what is it withyou Catholics and just celebrating the dead so much? It seems to be.What's that with you fucking cat looks over here? Be in Latin culture tothat there's just a celebration of the dead. Yeah, for sure, I don'tget it. I don't understand it. I just don't understand wasting time ina cemetery talking or just staring at...

...the gravestone of someone that passed.I mean, don't you think that person would probably go hey, why don'tyou go do something instead as being here? Do you think they're actually think they'retalking to that person. I think there is some sort of connection inthat way. Yes, at that I think there is. Well, Imean they're not having you could be right, so maybe having a conversation, butmost are just there just to I guess I could see that like honestly. Because, okay, here's how I could see that. Like, forexample, you and I both like nature. We like hiking and riding our mountainbikes off into the hills and stuff. So, given that most cemeteries arealso quiet, a lot of them are hilly, they're beautifully camp they'rejust kind of pleasant, peaceful places to be. I like peacefulness a lotand I don't really think of the dead is creepy at all. So tome it's I don't really have a loved one or even anybody I know that'sin a cemetery I can visit, but if I did, it would definitelybe a place I would consider. Riding my bike maybe once or twice ayear, stopping, buying, just chilling and in the few minutes I wouldstop and just kind of pay a quiet observance to the headstone and think ofthe good times. But beyond, what I see here makes sense to me. But and on top of and on top of a nice place to bikeride, if it was a shitty place on top of a dark hill?No, I'm not sorry, I'm just not going there, but you knowI mean so agree with you, though. Is the peacefulness? Yes, thepeacefulness and feel of you know it's someplace. Why you just want toescape to that part. I totally get that. Next time. They're fascinatingto especially the old ones. Like there's a over in black diamond mines upin Pittsburgh, California. It was old mining town and the whole town gotwiped out by black lung disease or some shit because of all the cold dustthey were bringing out of the mind. So there's a whole bunch of tombstonesup there from like the eighteen hundreds and then I think smallpox came and wipedout the rest of the town. So it's really trippy. Is like littleheadstones at like born one thousand eighteen, ninety six, diedeousand eight hundred andninety seven, like yeah, I was a little baby in there. CrazyShit, but that's just historic stuff. That's not that's a little different thanwhat you're talking about. Yeah, but is it a Catholic thing? Don'tchoose go to Jewish cemeteries, or don't military families do the same thing atmilitary cemeteries? I don't know. I'm only going by the people that I'vecome in content just with. You. Just know more Catholics than Jews ormilitary people? Maybe I don't. Don't know. I knew know of anyJewish, Jewish descendants. Vicky Coker at the money yeah, and the momentmy mother in Law Jewish. Yeah, for you, definitely. I Idid have one tape trader friend in New York City. He was definitely Jewish. But yeah, that was it. That because there's not really a lotof what unquote you, I mean to your point. I think all thereligions do it, the semetary thing. So you just just seeing the onesin your social circles, but I'm fairly certain all the different ones do it. I'm you're probably right, although I'll say Catholics have some of the moreinvolved rituals about death that I've seen. If, like, I went toa proper Catholic funeral when my buddy rays father passed away, and they allhad the same uniform, they all had the same beads. They all hadthe same Crucifix Cross and they're all like seeming to do similar prayers and bymultitude of numbers. Remember when you have to write sentences on the chalkboard whenyou got in trouble at school? That's what they would do. They wouldrepeat these prayers over and over and count a bead and beat and beat it, push the beat up, as they would say the prayers. So that'swhat a lot of them are doing. Their reciting a prayer each time theypush a beat up. Will look how long that necklace is. That's alot of beads right there. So a...

...lot of them are spending time doinga ritual. That's what I know. That about Catholics. I don't knowif Jews have prayer beads or native Americans dance around the Wigwam or some shit. I don't know that makes sense. The the ritual part. Yeah,because I mean I think the ritual does take a number of times. Ifyou go to the church on Sunday and said I've been missing my dead husbandand he says Oh, well, go, you know, read the Blah bladpassage a hundred times and you'll feel better. Well, really he's justtelling her to meditate for people that don't know how to meditate. So yougo there and you get a hypnotic state. You read it over and over andit, you know, washes away your troubles because you now focused ona new thing. HMM, it's fine. It's different because we don't do it, but it's it's fine. Learn something new every day. I've rememberShit I didn't know every day. That does make sense, though, thatevery type of religion as their own rituals towards the passing of loved ones orfriends or whatever. Once some Barry, some burn, some, you know, putting on a pire and a raft and float down the river. Still. Yeah, I'm not sure what the rest do. I just I meanI was raised in a Christian society by mostly kind of Christian people. Sowe either like cremated or put into a casket, whichever you wants or afford. It used to be the casket thing, but it seems like most people havegone towards cremation lately and a lot of people are into the don't putme in urn, spread me out around my favorite place. HMM, thoseare that's that's my folks directive. Yeah, that's pretty much most Americans I knoware like that. Yeah, I mean my folks bought a what doyou call that when you're in one of those mausoleums? I don't know,a slot, nitch? Yeah, okay, they bought into a niche. Whatgoes into a niche? As they got closer towards now, Dude,even they're still alive. Yeah, they said, you know what, ifyou guys need the money, go ahead and sell the niche and just,you know, spread our remains on like Monte a blows. That amazing.Like that, semitary spots and mausoleum spots, like niches, are like time shares. Basically, you just buy into it, but there is value becauseother people want that. Correct. So we've actually noticed that it's increased inBackley. You will look, it's almost like property. So it's property.It's literally property. It's like timeshare. You don't own the land, butyou own a by agreement, the value of that piece of the land thatyou have been paying into. MMM, I think that's neat. How bigis the niche and what's supposed to go into it? Like a couple urns, I mean ideally, is that originally what those are for? Are theylike a locker size space inside of a big marble room? I think.There you go, but you just said Yep, yeah, Marble Room andsome little locker deals. Racial can have like your name ingrained on it.So you put a little plaques or a little mounted flower urns and things likethat on the side if you if you upgrade. This is a fancy one, not the Hollywood forever cemetery, but one west of there in Hollywood whereMarilyn Monroe is born. It's like that. It's almost all like that around theedges. It's like, Huh, you said born. Oh, Barryde Emmittt. Okay, but she's not actually bad. I think she's inone of those niches. Are you talking the big huge what's it called?It's the wanting. It's not forest lawn either. That was enough. Yeah, I know it's not that one. I didn't. My friend of mine, who has a deep history of Hollywood,...

...showed me where it was. It'sdown sunset, basically, oh, wait a minute, there's it's bad. It's like a celebrity one. Well, this too, okay. This isthe Hollywood for everyone, which is in kind of the heart of Hollywood. With Dee Dee Ramone statue and all that really Badass like pyramid glass,stained glass, pyramid mouzle. The whole thing is super cool. It's notthat one. I'm like, oh well, where is it? So he droveme down to Beverly Hills. It's just like a square block in BeverlyHills. It looks like a city park, almost, just like one square blockwith a bunch of trees and grass, but it's full of headstones and that'swhere mel blank was, Marilyn Monroe, like that level of celebrities were downthere. Wow. But yeah, forest lawn is a trip to ifI fasten the whole thing about dying is fascinating. That the fact that it'san industry is really interesting. It is an industry the undertaker. I waslistening to a country station the other day. Here in Oklahoma. They got astation called Hey Gif am. It's like that's perfect, so we'll listento this. Well, one of the lyrics in one of the country songsI was listening to they to talk about how they're hanging around. I thinkthe song was called down home and how GRANDPA was buried up under the mapletree. I start to think, how fucking simple of a life can weget? Let's just bury our families on her property and we just go sitout on the bench by GRANDPA and GRANDPA. So then it wouldn't be as weird. Like that would be an interesting ritual for white people in America todo instead of counting beads, but it would still be a ritual. Yeah, this is before all the the big cities started, and you know everybodyhad land too. Yeah, yeah, and just do a dig a plot. Couldn't see that that'd be weird anyway. So, yeah, we get grumpybecause we feared death. Apparently, are we compared death to our earlier, more youthful times? I've always found cemeteries just to be kind of Iguess because of its quietness. It just feels weird. So, yeah,that's all in our head. I don't think a chimpanzee with no Dick abouta cemetery. He probably goes shit on a headstone. They just don't know. They're like death. What's death? I have no respect for the deadbecause I don't even know what death means. I like that. I actually likethat perspective. I think I might adopt that go for it. Well, the part problem is I actually do, though, what death means. Likehe can't UN learn what shall already know. You can unlearn whatever youwant, just better, whether you want to. You can't be can't yourbrain to day whatever you want it to do. You can't on learn it. You have to overlearn it. You have to put new stuff on topof it that's stronger than the earlier shit. In other words, you can't peelit back and just go back to nothing. You can't pour nothing intoyour head and say, okay, cover up that like a eternal sunshine ofa spotless mind. IDEA. HMM, selective memory, racuer. All right, dude, let's get out of here. Tomorrow at noon. Send it atnoon central time. We're going live with Jacob Thornton and our cohost,Pecky, will join us, which you do in the rest of the day. I'm waiting back up a second, so I won't you meant. Youmentioned that you want to do like a half hour before the guest comes on. So do you are you doing earlier than that and then the guest comeson? It twelve. What do you want to do? In other words, do you want to start broadcasting to this audience at thirty, when we'requote unquote, practicing, and let the guests drop in at noon, ordo you want to just shoot the shit and warm up before noon and thenstart recording when he gets here? It's up to you. A minute,fifteen minute ahead of time, I'm mean, yeah, yeah, who doesn't matterhow many minutes. I'm just saying, which way do you want to go? Do you want to like open up the mics and talk to thisaudience like we're doing now, before the...

...guest gets here? Yes, youdo. Okay, so they'll. So this will all go live and thenthe guests will drop in live. And then if the guest doesn't drop in, that'll be live too, and we'll publicly humiliate the guess for not showingup. It'll be live. We want to have any choice. Now.We won't publicly hubiliate them, but the fact that they've liked will be broadcastlive. Yeah, I think it should be. I think these people thatflake all the time, who cannot keep I mean it's like, Dude,you're taking our time away and you're flaking on this thing to promote. Youwant to promote something and you're flaking on it. Right right, exactly.Hey, oh, hey, fuck you. It's what it feels like. Sothe way I look at it is if they flake, then yeah,we cool some out. Well, we'll still have a show. That's thecool thing I like about doing a show with you and Becky is that,if the guess flakes, will just keep talking about whatever the fuck we weretalking about for as long as a show needs to be. Hell Yeah,I love it. Doesn't always need a guest. I don't. I don'tthink everybody needs a guest all the time. Sometimes we have enough to get offour chest. We could have included that whole bore at review you onthis show, but I had to tell you about that secret thing. Soyou know, we've got plenty to talk about all the time. And,by the way, I might send over an email to Jacob Thornton. Idon't know. Tell me if this is weird, but I want to seeif he'll watch off the rails before he comes on, because Jacob is allso autistic. But is that like asking a black person to watch birth ofa nation before they come on the I mean, you know what I meanis that weird asks hisstic person. They go watch this really powerful movie aboutan autistic person. I don't find it offensive. If that's what you're asking, I don't either. I I think seen this movie? If not,highly encourage you to check it out. It would be a great to discussthis topic with you. Right, I agree. I think it's powerful,regardless of where you are on the spectrum. Right. I mean, I did. I I looked up, what was it? Free Darius now?Yeah, yeah, there's. There's actually a fundraiser for him. I sawthat. I got his address from the psychiatric hospitals in New York. ToDude, he's in a I mean the way they describe the place. They'relike, yeah, he's around psychotic murder his people, and it's like theand this is what I don't understand. It's like he has shown no signsof violence, yet they treat him like he's like a murderous criminal as Idon't get it. Easy. What Gary and I are talking about? Thisa thing on Amazon, was it? Yeah, Amazon prime called off therails the story of Darius McCallum. You gotta check it out. I don'tdon't have want to give it away. Just watch the trailer. If itlooks like it's something you might be into, you'll definitely be into it. It'san incredible story, man, it's touching. It it's just like thisdude literally fell in love with something and, yeah, he went into Unorthodox waysof yeah, pursuing his passion, of his that thing to him.So I guess a good way to put it was his he pursued his passionand so intensely that he crossed the line. All because of that stabbing. That'sall I'm going to say. Because of the trauma he into art.Yeah, well, it's that was shocking. In the very beginning of the movieyou'll find out what we what Gary just said. He was like stabbed. Oh my God, that is shocking. But anyway, so he pursued apassion in trains. That hints the...

...name off the rails, and thenyou'll see what becomes of his life. But because he did love from otherpeople, yeah, or the acceptance to like do what he wanted to dolegitimately, would you say? He's better off, though, in a crazyhospital around psychotics, better than riker's island, though? I think so. Idon't know by what I read about that place. In upstate New York. It's pretty brutal play. It's as bad as they get as far asmental facilities go, because it's locked down and you're stuck in there with actuallypeople who have killed others because they're psychotic. He's not psychotic. Yeah, andhe hasn't killed anyone. It's like he hasn't, he isn't. Heisn't hurt anyone like you know, I mean isn't. He hasn't rape,he hasn't a salt and he hasn't done anything to any other human that's thecrazy thing. So and the fact that it's exposed that, you know,he impersonated, you know, a trained person work or went in on meetingsand, you know, never showed any I mean and they embraced him.They were just like, Oh, yeah, you know, it's fucking darious.Yes, it's a fucking a fit. So, anyway, I think he'sbetter off on as how the New York treats Oh yeah, but thedisabled. I just say disabled honestly, because where he falls on the spectrumis up to you to decide as the viewer. And how we treat peoplewith various disorders, like do you consider a mental disorder the same as aphysical and which do the same thing to somebody that was simply physically disabled.It's a lot of interesting kind of ways to slice the movie. It's reallycool. Yeah, and I'd love to see if someone's going to create somethingthat counters what we saw. Is just like, well, well, youonly saw the inside of it, you know. You didn't see his darkside. You know, they kind of covered that. We know they protectedthat side with the prosecutor. So I mean fairer if it's not like theyignored it. They gave the prosecutor space give it side. Anyway. Idon't want to give the rest of the way. So go watch that ifyou're into it. So check it out. and been figured a good way topromote this show is to go on other people's podcasts. One of thedudes podcast I did yesterday was Travis, Travis Brown, the guy who inventedthese pod deck things. What are pod deck? These cards with the questions? Oh yeah, so in honor of my interview and Travis Graciously having meon his podcast yesterday, I'm not sure when that's coming out, but it'llbe out eventually and then we'll get a big spike in our viewers, forour listeners, for this show. So that's kind of cool. Anyway,I really appreciate what he's doing. So let's go do a couple questions andthen get the fuck along with their lives right on. What makes you feelold? MMM, I could think of two things. Let me go first. Yeah, please do because I'm blanking. Okay it. The first one's kindof a Combo, but they're definitely combined. It's aches and pains,recovery time. That's a good one. That definitely makes me feel old.I'd never felt that way as a kid. You could drink, you could party, you could skateboard all day, you could swim, you could fuckingdrink again, you could all this crazy shit right nothing next day. Justsleep it off. Not even a full night sleep, you just binding thenext day. I noticed when I got really close to fifty, almost exactlyfifty, for some reason I like just kind of ache a little bit gettingout of bead of like that's funny. I didn't I didn't help anybody moveyesterday. I didn't do anything worthy of aches. Or sometimes I'll just dosomething like right about it, neck crept.

Yeah, or I rode a bikeand I'm like why am I? Thighs are it's like because you haven'trot a bike in like at least six or seven days, like like sixor seven days in. My muscles are aching already. I'm like, whatthe fuck? So you just get that aches and pains and the recovery timewhen you do actually injure yourself, like you fall or you bonk your kneeor cut your skinner. My skin still heals fast, but I'm just theakiness of bunking, damage of falling and that kind of stuff. That sucks. That makes me feel old. That's a good one, I think.The other thing that kind of makes me feel old is I have a updid this. I like to be home before it gets dark. I loveit. That's awesome. You know what I mean. Fuck, you know, I know the vibe you're talking about. Now it I'll jump in the carand go somewhere, but more or less I'm not really in the moodof investigating the night anymore, like, yeah, used to be. Nothinggood happens after dark, like my grandma always said. Like maybe grandma hada point. That's where I see stories about bad shit happening to people threein the morning and like, well, that's what you get, you DOUNBfuck, go bad, go to bed, go home, shut up. JustRock said it best. He's like, if you're at the ATM at threeo'clock in the morning and you're withdrawing two hundred dollars, say you ain't. You Ain't getting it for, you know, going to the hospital oranything like that. You're you're gonna do some fucking illegal stuff. Yeah,yeah, agreed along those lines. Yeah, after dark, Shit, that's good. The other thing that makes me feel old currently is ticktock. It'sthe first thing I just fucking don't get. I don't get it. I don'tthink about Tick Tock, so it doesn't turn into my brain. Idon't. I try not to think about these brand new social media type APPSthat you know, just keep putting in the you are. She really hassome think about it our life. You really have to think about to makeit for it to make you feel old anytime. So you're a are ofit, though, and you've seen a screenshot of or video or two ofit. I've never seen a video. I've only seen screenshots and links andI just go now. I don't I don't care. Yeah, so,you get it, so that the it's popularity is what makes me feel old, like I the fact I don't get why it's popular is what makes mefeel old. Ah, Oh, okay, well, I don't feel old inthat regard. I just feel like this is something that I I don'tgive a shit about, whether that makes me old or just yeah, know, that is it. That's it, like I holly don't give a shitabout and normally I try to give a shit about all things entertainment industry ormusic industry related. Right, not this one, like just not only don'tgive a shit, it's not apathy, it's like discussed like hatred, likeI dislike it. I don't think it's ruining shit and like totally so,yeah, really, but because I feel that way, I'm like, wait, I sound like something an old person would say. That's why I'm like, is that make me feel old? Yeah, it's just that kind ofthing. It's a but that's just indicative of any kind of new media thatI'm not understanding. But so far I understand, like almost. I understandthe allure of Youtube, I understand the allure of Netflix, video gaming,online gaming, all those things. But when it came to tick Tock,I'm like, and then it got super popular and like why? Like,what, it my old now? Is it that I finally get old?That's what I start thinking. Well, I think usually what happens when somethinggets super popular is it has a money, a big money backer behind it.That was, yeah, a try mass a marketing type thing to theaudience they're going after, which is mainly...

...teens and S. Yeah, well, it's also I mean that's Chinese money. The basically the Chinese military government hascontrol over ticktock. Bad Right. That troubles me to but I'm notlike a conspiracy freak about it. I just like, well, that's justone other layer of my hatred for a dumb thing I don't understand already.HMM, yeah, I guess because I don't think about it, I don'thave hatred towards it when I should. You know now you shouldn't like you. I don't know. It's like when snapchat came along, I'm like,oh great, another thing that, yeah, I'm exactly looks a fine. Snapchat, this ticktock thing, all of that. When our age try anduse it, that's where I just go suka crazy to try to be kid. I mean just live in its society right now, where everything is gearedtowards being a fucking teenager, and that's what really annoys me about do thinkhow how we've become come? It's like when the whole social media thing cameabout, I'm like, Oh, it feels like we're all teenagers again andwe're in dividical it's like to you, I think. Do you think Iagree with you? Do you think it's because we've feared death? We're like, we're just going to cling to our teenage years because we're unlike chimpanzees,were aware of death, and even more so now, because people stare atthe screens and all they see are riots and corrupt politicians and pandemic. Sodo you think? Fine, we are you talking our age group? Arejust humans in general, American Society in general, American Society in general.Okay, well, brought all the Western world, all the developed countries thatuse the Internet, basically, dude, that's so. I mean going tosay global. Now we're all trying to be youthful or trying to be young, because maybe we just fear death. Maybe we need to go back toour monkey heritage and stop worrying about death. Just live happily until we're old andthen we just drop ope. Well, I've kind of noticed that since I'veadopted a little bit of a hippie lifestyle, meaning that I love doingthings naked and just, you know, just feeling what it's like to justbe naked and do things and be comfortable, you know, in my own house, naked. So and the end of those times I'm not well.So answer the question. What makes you feel Oldbough, what moment? So, what makes you feel old? I think there's a number of things,but trying to narrow it down to just a talking point is difficult for meat this moment. Stick the top one off the list. Well, youyou nailed the one about, you know, the egges and pains. That that'sa given, in my opinion. Yeah, Oh, only because weknow now. I would not have thought that that was a given. Iused to hear old people bitch about the ages and pains when I was youngerand I try not to be that old guy bitching about the pains. Honestly, they're not that bad. They're just noticeable more than when I was young. Like when you're young you don't have any great too I have that goesalong at the eggs and pains, I'd say memory. Oh No, that'sa good one, dude, for sure that does. That make you actuallyfeel like you're losing it? Well, I think it's by design because,you know, when these smartphones came along, my memory started getting worse because it'sjust overloaded with information. And you know, with that bombardment of information, I have a hard time retaining other important information because it's it's just swimmingin this pool of other information that I may or may not know what todo with. Yeah, I've read an interesting story about how the human brainworks and it's kind of a bad to...

...compare the human brain to a computer. But I did like this metaphor that scientists use and they say the reasonwe have a hard time pulling up data when we're older is, simply put, our hard drives are full. It's we have more data to sort through. When you're three years old and you only know eight hundred words and fifteencolors or whatever, like life is easy. As you progress through life, youare loading up your hard drive and you might have to sort through allthat data to get to the right answer, and it just takes a little bitof time, even at light speed. Yeah, I need to defrag myhard drive. Yeah, exactly, that's good, man, those aregood. Anyway, that's good enough for up to like forty five minutes.I think we've had enough, but anything more than forty five minutes, Ithink whence people see the length of a podcast in the in the kind ofrack, I think I might scare them off. So anyway, just ifyou're listening, most of the podcast can be trimmed down. I just don'tfeel like trimming this one down because it's casually. It's casual Saturday. Ithink of it this way, though. If we did not have these smartphonesand social media, would my memory still be just as bad? That's whatI'm kind of driving at. I would saying no. You'd be forced intousing that those muscles more your memory. Would be forced into remembering my phonenumber, your mom's phone number, your brother's phone number, like you'd beforced in knowing your own. I mean even just numbers alone, all thenumbers in your better now, in your phone that you don't think of.All that stuff is muscles that it takes. Not True Muscles, but you knowI mean burns things, because before these cell phones and smartphones, wewould pick up a phone and just be like, Oh yeah, what's that, dude? Oh yeah, that's that's number. I can't pull up Cathieor fucking Angie or whatever, you know. Right. Yeah, it's now justlike a number. Luckily I'm able to retain my parents phone number,my brother's cell phone number and my phone number. Let's see, only three, but those haven't changed. Imagine, if imagine if they change them everycouple of years like people do nowadays. Then you just be like fuck,it'd be too much. But yeah, so I think you're right. Justour communic well, here's the thing. I think we used to be ableto read minds and all kinds of crazy things, and I think when theindustrial age came around, the Bronze Age, tools, all these things, andespecially later with the printing press and knowledge and then computers, we've slowlystarted to think that, oh, that will help us replace our organic abilities. But it does not. It doesn't at all. It's stupid. It'salmost as life. We used to be able to fly and read minds andnow we're stuck staring at plastic screens, Yep, Yep, and I'm notjoking, I mean I'm I'm not socializing like we used to. Don't evenknow how. All we know how to socialize us through a plastic now wedon't even know. Take the plastic away between us, whether it's clear sneezeshield at CVS or whether it's this clear plastic shield here between you and meand different states on the Internet, and we don't know how to interact withpeople with there's no plastic between us. I mean the only cool thing rightnow for technology is what we're doing right now, for example, you know, being able to well, here's this tons of cool stuff. You surehave conversations. Yeah, I mean I was talking to somebody else about this, like we're in this shit age of technology. We're like the experimental agewhere she just doesn't work. It's clunky. In the future, we're talking fortyor fifty years, that'll be great. Technology will read our mind, itwill actually serve humanity. Right now we're just on that. None.Yeah, it's not serving us. Where the Guinea Pigs? We're testing allthese fucking Beta to we're basically the Beta test generation. We're testing all ofthis shit and it's clunky. Half the people don't use it. There's nostandards. Shit don't work all the time.

There's no tech support. So we'reliving in the shit age of technology. There's some cool stuff out there,but not compared to fifty years from now, not by a long shot. People will laugh at us. In fifty years people look back and said, you get to use a keyboard on a computer what? You drove yourown cars. That's crazy. You know, I heard a really good analogy yesterdayabout time traveling. It was like our aliens, you know, thesealiens that have been seen? Are Those the time travelers? Those are us, those are us from the future. Yes, there is nothing but us, and aliens they talk about are just variance of what we are, ifyou want to call it human or whatever. But the humans morphed throughout infinity.So yes, we morph into those things in the future and those thingscome back to try to warn us about shit exactly. Or is our timetravel just does not exist, because if it did, don't you think they'dbe able to warn us about like, Oh, yeah, I guess youguys didn't blow up the world yet because we're not. Well, they's comingback to warn us. They do warn us, but they warn, butare they? They warn people who then get shut down by the powers thatbe, like the inherent evil forces on earth try to intercept those messages andif they can't intercept them, they'll paint them as conspiracy theorists and cooks.So we'll never get the true message. But it seems sort well have peopleare the ones that actually have the shall we say, antenna. For thesepeople, I think they're on the right track. They just don't have theresources to be incredible. Yep, like obviously a tinfoil has silly. Butthe idea that there's extra energy floating around and in the universe that comes througheverything. Well, photons will come right through alone them to so I don'tknow what they're trying to protect themselves from anyway, because there's most the energyin the universe will come straight through me, my desk, to Earth, China, everything right now just passed through all of us instantly. MMM,how do we capture that? How do we hop a ride on that?How do I disintegrate myself into Proto Art photons and just hop a ride onlight and go somewhere else? I got a steady signs for that. Myfriend. We used to know how to do this. This is the thing. Whatever way, too, I want to say that Silicon Valley definitely istouching into alien technology, because what is this smartphone thing that came about atjust the one time? I think they're just a bunch of middleman that insertedunnecessary technology between us and our creator. Unnecessary layer of silicone, if youwill, still a con sorry, that doesn't need to be there. Ifwe take away the whole layer of technology, we will be equally in touch withthe rest of the universe as we ever were. But think of itthis way. To Silicon Valley had one of the biggest defense contractor companies.Yeah, on the West Coast. No, it's just an entirely industry of shiphumanity doesn't need because it's based on constructs. Silicon Valley makes his moneyoff war. Well, we don't need war. It's a human idea.It's just a construct. Human Silicon Valley and makes this idea on the ideathat we need to communicate better. But we communicate just fine before, inthe days of the titans and the and the gods. Right now. Thinkof it this way, though. I social media to me is what waswhat I called the downfall is just like a it's like a Shitty fucking oldass fishing that just stuck in the river,...

...or something of yourself that you're thatyou're you're you're actually inputting the informations in. Some call it up apremulation of yourself. I'll call the presentation of yourself. Yeah, because it'snot simulating you at all, it's only simulating the parts of you that youchoose to present. So right, it's a presentations people out there that wantto just show them everything about themselves, and then now there's not not eventhat they it. It's very carefully curated, quote unquote, everything to look quoteunquote, authentic, but it's all bullshit really. HMM, that's that'swhat's fuck up. Saying is is some of the technology that is come outfor computers. Like before the whole social media thing, I was happy justtext are. What was it? Instant messaging. I had no problem withthe instant messaging and, you know, sharing links or whatever through emails.I didn't need a facebook or a my space or a you know, whateverelse is that. It's like the whole thing with instagram. Everything is like, let's stare at the screen with stare at pictures and then give our reactionsit. Did you ever write a secret love letter to a girl you hada crush on in school? Did I do? Yeah, I'm pretty sureI did. Dude. That's one to me. That's old school right there, Dude. I remember that. That was fun and that was risky.Man, when you're like in fifth or sixth grade and you got the ballsand the work, it up to the gumption, the courage, the audacityto write a letter, to tell some girl, the hottest girl in theclass, like hey, your secret admire Lah, Blah Blah. Also towrite it, not present it to her. That's as far Scot for me.My most embarrassing thing was that I wrote I love you, Paula onmy drumstick and I did not sign it. I think I put hot eyes onit, though. The name of my man's shot hot nice. I'msixth grade, okay, come on. So hot ice, dude, remindsyou I graduated when I was sixteen, so it's sixth grade. I hadto be in like ten. Okay, that's just hot ice is dope.Dude. That's a great name. The logo you see to seeing the Iit was a ice cube on fire. That's like fire and ice. It'sbetter. It's hot eyes. It's like sexual chocolate is good shit. Sohot ice your new nickname, man, John, hot ice lily. Allright, she got it, I got for you. So I put thisdrumstick on Paula's door, the pretty girl in the neighborhood and in my class. I get to class, that particular class, like third period. Thenext day there's the kind of peppermint patty like butch kind of girl who's nosePaula. She's all like, you know, she doesn't even like you, JohnLily. Aren't you in that band? Hot Ice? Like fuck, thisis sixth grade, mind fucking sixth grade. I was fucking humiliated.I didn't know about cutting cutting class yet, right, but I learned real quickafter that about cutting class. I was so fucking humiliated. Like meand a good friend, we shared a crush on a girl and we usedto have what we're called, I'm not going to say your name, butBlah Blah Blah attacks, and I can't really re call what it is wedid, but we would just like look at each other and go, we'rehaving a blah, blah blah attack. To and yeah, I don't II'm trying to remember what the fuck it was. But yeah, dude,she was a hotty. Oh my God.

And here's what cybronic about this wholething. I had a crush on her then never had the balls toask her out because, you know, you had that whole thing like she'snot gonna like me, Blah, blah, blah. So the self esteem wasn'tthere, but dyed. Fast forward round Shin years later we met up, I think it was at the five year reunion, and she was kindof a college hippie chick kind of thing, and I was starting to do myconcert stuff and, you know, just out of the Blue I toldher I was like yeah, you know, I'm going to go tape the there'slike a free benefit going on its city hall that has the cult playingand Bonnie raid and it was free, and I said I'm going to tapeit. You want to come along? She's like yeah, that'd be awesome. So she came along and, Oh my God, dude, she juststirred up feelings again and me and and then I revealed her. I wasjust like, you know, Adina, I used to have a fucking crushon you back in sixth grade but never had the balls to say Shit.And she kind of found that funny and it didn't really go anywhere after that. Nice, but yeah, that's and then a fast forward to what wasit, the twenty year we yeah, I think it was the twenty yearreunion. And and she is our class president and she married a dude andthe dude was at the reunion and I saw him in the back in thebathroom while I was washing my hands, and I said, I'm all hatedude. I'm just going to level with you right now because I got toget this out. I go, I used to have a big crush onyour wife and you told me, told her husband this at the fucking classroomnight. Yeah, in the bathroom and Gary and he goes, he goes, Oh really, and I go yeah, Dude, she was. She wasa hotty. You're lucky guy. Congratulations, I'm jealous. And that'spretty much all it was left at all. Right then, well, that's fantastic. Maybe we should just leave it at that. So noon tomorrow centraltime, we'll be here a little earlier and come nude will also get Jacobin here to talk about his podcast. Cool, cool, okay, sothat means ten. What the fuck is going on on tears? Nine hundredand thirty for me. So sure you want know? Are we starting atnoon or are we going to start a little earlier and then your guests isgoing to be at noon? I don't remember. What was it our dueyes, the second one. So we are starting at now. Okay,Jacobs coming noon and we're starting early. Right. So what I'm saying is, do I get on at thirty, quarter two? What time you cancome on? ADS WHAT I don't know if you want to come on ahalf an hour early or fifteen minutes earlier. You tell me and then I'll passthat on to becky. Half an hour sounds fine, because we liketo digress a lot and we should get that out of our system before Jacobcomes on. Good idea, and thirty it is. Okay, I'll seeyou then. And for all you people still listening, we appreciate you andlisten to tomorrow noon. You could also go to Emo Dojo DOT ORG andchat with us, and I'm also going to I think I'm going to livestream my camera from my studio, just my side of the audio, tothe facebook so if you want to hear or watch that, go for it, but to hear the whole thing you're gonna have to subscribe to our Goddamnpodcast, like you're supposed to write. Hmmm, all right, then we'reout of here.

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