John | Podcasting
John | Podcasting

Episode · 1 year ago

How come there are no grumpy old chimps?

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Chimpanzees stay happy until the day they die because they are not aware of the concept of death or dying. Gary and John talk about self-awareness, happiness and growing old ... and grumpy.

Ay. So, anyway, what I was saying, Oh hey, welcome back to Emo Dojo. What Up, Gary? What up? So Gary and I just stopped by the Dojo today. Becky will be back tomorrow when we're interviewing podcaster Jacob Thornton. That should be fun. We're doing that live Sunday at noon central time. You can look on the Internet to figure out what time that is in your area. Jacob should be fun. He's Autistic, tells it like it is and he's really interested in starting his own show and getting that up and running. So I figured why not? Who a better guests to have to chat with about fun stuff? Cool? anyways. Yeah, we were just talking about how fucking Matthew mcconaughey is everywhere. Dude, tell so it started because I get on the live TV. A lot of people don't watch live TV or even have live TV anymore, but I turned it on because I live where it's flat. So on most modern TV's, if you just turn on your antenna you can catch real signals where it's flat, of actual TV. It's amazing. It's this weirdest shit. I feel like I'm in the S. I see commercials for furniture stores and all kind of stuff. Anyway, you see like three hours of various programmings from NBC, abccbs. Still I forget what they're called. Good morning to America type shows, ring shows, morning talk shows. Yes, swear to God, he was on every single one of them. I tries to escape them like this guy. I mean I love the Guy, but I'm like whatever, not in the mood right now. So I switched to the other channel. Too much, it's over saturation. Well, HMM, now what he was told, what he was talking about? Our just wasn't in the mood for him that time or whatever, you know, because you can't be in the mood for your favorite thing all the time. So just looking for something else and nic switch to the other channel. Little coming up, Matthew mcconaughey. I'm like Na, what next channel? Same thing. I got the fuck. And then later that night's flicking by that hot wing show, hot ones, there's fucking matthew mcconaughey on hot ones, my Jesus Christ. And then you told me you see Matthew mcconaughey on Rogan. I'm like, Oh my God, that guy's fucking everywhere. All you figure, since the whole covid thing. You can't really go on to these shows in person, so you might as well bring the show to him. Yeah, well, when you're Matt mcconaughey, you probably have the best pr campaign people ever. So they just make it effortless. Just get out of there and do it. And you're trying to promote your memoir, it's like you got to go everywhere. Yeah, here's a good storyteller to I mean even like prisons, presenting his self in these interviews. He's listenable. I just I'm like, Whoa, that's overwhelming. It's amazing. Yeah, my first taste was stern. He was on stern on Wednesday and then it went from there. MMM, yeah, and I saw them like entertainment tonight. Can you believe entertainment tonight is still on? No, weird, like when you're flicking by the real TV late at night, like what entertainment tonight? Of these old reruns, and like Nope, it's actually still a show. Like Damn, some really runs. Why the fuck would you rerun entertainment tonight? Do they rerun all the old shows? I'm like, this is weird. This like entire channels of just old reruns. Of even like game shows and TV, I mean topical shows, that of the time I'm like, Oh, this is weird. They include the old commercials in many cases to that's fascinating. That is fascinating, especially the commercials. But that actually reminds me of hold. Things don't change. They seem to change, but the glossy covering change, the frosting on the cake changes a little bit. But man, humans have been the same way for generations and generations, definitely far back as I can see.

HMM, for sure. So I was looking at article talking about emotions and happiness and grumpy old men. So do you think? Okay, here's an interesting side thought. So in some cultures happiness is not even a goal, right, like in Japan, I've heard. It's just not a goal. It's not a thing. It's not like it's that's something you it's not something you can achieve. It's something you experience in a moment or not. It's not something. Chinese or the same way as well, right. So Asian culture, basically, that's not they understand that. Happiness is not a state you live in. It's somewhere you pass work, work, work, yeah, or well, they're not antihappiness. They just don't think it's something that you can keep working towards and then one day get to. They acknowledge it as just a thing you experience and you then you go to the next thing. Well, that probably explains the oppressiveness feel of Japan. I've heard from many, many people that have been there that they say, yeah, there's an oppressive feeling going on there. Kind of Dour. Explains the strange Japanese suicide forest. Have you heard of that? The suicide for us now? Yeah, it's apparently there's some forest out there were a lot of people hang themselves and it's kind of like the Golden Gate Bridge here right. Yeah, very much a landmark in that sense, and a lot of people visit it just to get creeped out and you know, apparently a lot of people just go there to hang themselves. Creepy, wow. But anyway, so in those countries, here's the interesting thing. So in America, where a lot more supposed to be self sufficient, you know, autonomous humans, individualistic, right, not so much community oriented, socialist, Blah Blah Blah. We're supposed to be strong individuals, pick ourselves up, that kind of thing. MMM, so getting back to the happiness bit. How important do you think self awareness is to happiness? I'll I think it's the whole thing. You think you have to be aware of yourself in your existence, in the in the universe to find happening. I'm not saying that's the key to do happiness, but I'm like, do you think that's the key towards the path to happiness? Yes, for sure, the relative compared comparing of things. Well, as the saying goes, when you're comfortable in your own skin, you put out an energy that other people can feel, you know, because you're if you're uncomfortable in, say, like public situations, you know like you're an introvert, you're you're putting it out there and people are going to be kind of standoffish, you know, because, okay, what, so what if you're introvert and yourself aware that you are an introvert, so you're saying just the gesture behavior accordingly because you're selfaware. Got You? Okay? Yes, well, this starts to get to the point, then, about happiness. So I was reatting an article about grumpy old men. Right, okay, and it's not to pick on man at all. Didn't even mention women, but grumpy old men's a thing. So they're looking at to why are men grow dumpy? Why? Why are man grumpy as they get older? So can you hypothesize? Could what do you think that is? Hmm, I think it has a lot to do with when you get old and you think about the past, you think about, I guess, those good things that were there and you maybe want them now but you can't get it. So kind of a long a longing for the things you've lost. That makes sense. That's a good one. Just the nostalgic remembrance of the past.

But all on the flips you've noticed when you do run into a grumpy kind of person, it's just like things used to be better and simpler back in my day. You know, every generation has that. Yeah, so what do you think they mean by my day? I got a new hide when you're when you're younger, and more piss and vinegar that more so, I guess, of where. I don't know here. Here's what I think it is. Okay. So I think when people say things were better in my day, the quote unquote, my day that they are referring to was a time when they were not aware or concerned with their own death. And I think the older we get, the more we become concerned, or at least aware are, of our own death, and we become aware of the fact, or at least subconsciously aware, that are quote unquote, best days or behind us. And that, I think, makes us mad, because we have death is common, it's much closer than it used to be. There for Goddamn it. I'm mad because when, and you're saying, you get closer to death agewise, makes you matter, makes you grow, make you matter. Here's here's the thing. But apparently it's the self awareness, the awareness of our death, is the problem, because they did a study with chimpanzees, monkeys, while they have emotions and feelings like humans, chimpanzees in particular in this study, they have emotions, they cry, they do a lot of amazing things. People don't actually realize that. They react, they have emotions. What chimpanzees don't have is any knowledge of death. Chimpanzees grow old and they stay happy until the day they die. I said, that is fucking fascinating, Dude. So it's our awareness of death in the future that makes us grumpy? Yes, because chimpanzees also have memories of the past and they have knowledge of the present. Conscious awareness to what's that? It's kind of subconscious awareness too, because as you get older, there's going to be times where you're not thinking about death, right, but you were already taught about it, like you know what I mean. It's already in your head, like you're not consciously thinking about how you learned English, but you're reading a book. So the day of the day your existence, you're not. You've hardly ever thinking about death, but I think somewhere gnawing at the back of your brain that each minute that takes away you like one step closer to death, one step closer to death, God damn it. Things used to be better when I didn't know so close to death. Even though you're not thinking about it, you're subconsciously yet thinking about your subconsciously knowing about it, let's say knowing. Yes, yes, it's throughout your whole soul that you know about death, and the older you get there's more validation. Your friends start dying, your family ahead, if you starts passing away, you know your there's a pandemic of people all around you die. So you still like, wow, death is imminent and if I don't get my shit together, God damn it. And then you start to get frustrated with yourself and that makes people grumpy because now you just angry at yourself for not having your shit together. Nothing but clock is ticking. Or you're surrounded by people that are health challenged. You know, Oh yeah, my immediate family, mother and father and brother, health challenged right now. That reminds you. So that reminds you like death is real like that. We deterior rate,...

...we end some point so that, I mean it becomes our our overwhelming knowledge, and the thing is like, yeah, that's that was what I was found strange that chimpanzees don't know that, because I knew that chimpanzees had feelings. I knew that they could remember things that because they could learn, like language and things like that too. So they have remembrance of things like sign language. But is really funny that my favorite thing thoughts of the future, thinking of the future, you should just hypothesizing a dreaming and Daydreamman and imagining of a future. All right, chimpanzees don't have any of that. They stop right here, right now. This is it. Living in the moment. Yeah, or the past, but but not the future at all. In the moment, Fred stops laughing. Fred's not here now. It's like, do you really think that chimpanzees live in the past? At some point I think they learned from the past. I don't think they have the capacity to, quote unquote, live in the past like we do. Are John With Each Other? Okay, remember about two years it can know. Here's the thing, though, because monkeys do more in the loss of a loved one, for example, if a monkey dies, they'll more aren't the they'll miss that interaction and they won't know what to do and they'll mourn in their special little monkey way. But then they're little tribe community. But for some reason that morning never implants in their mind that that will happen to them one day too. They've just thought. Doesn't cross their mind that that will happen to all of them. Never Cross the point. That totally makes sense and that's probably a key to life. Well, it's a key. There's this sense it's a key to a happy life from start to finish. If you just don't know that you're going to die, you're just as happy as you're going to be. I mean not to say every monkey's a baseline level of happiness. They're all not at a hundred. But if a guy lives at sixty five, is whole life. He'll just hit the wall and die sixty five level of happiness. Just will remember when I told you that empathy seems to be a thing that is, Liz, a little thin on me. In other words, when people die, it's like, yeah, I'm sad, but I'm not like mourning. I get more into a maybe tribute mode of like you start really thinking about the good times you had with that person. Yeah, that's totally valid. Just because you don't cry about it doesn't I don't think every like because when you when you lose people and you go to grief counseling, the first thing they teach you is, like everybody grieves differently. There is no right or wrong way. So right that if that's your way to grief, that's totally valid and and special. You know what I mean? Well, I've said that. You know, when I die, if if someone can do it, you know, just have a celebration of life. Don't mourn me just fucking yeah. You know, I pick the good parts. Talk about those. You know, have a have a party, celebrate an excuse. Yeah, just use it as an excuse too, for a party. Why not? Yeah, this fucker died. He was cool, you know, he partied as well. So so makes me wonder if it's honest party for him. Is that the key to our happiness or is that a key to our happiness? Is just trying to put aside the idea that we're going to die one day? I think it's a key to a happiness because, you know, of course there's a I actually had a conversation with a new friend that's Catholic and you know, I brought up I go, what is it with you Catholics and just celebrating the dead so much? It seems to be. What's that with you fucking cat looks over here? Be in Latin culture to that there's just a celebration of the dead. Yeah, for sure, I don't get it. I don't understand it. I just don't understand wasting time in a cemetery talking or just staring at...

...the gravestone of someone that passed. I mean, don't you think that person would probably go hey, why don't you go do something instead as being here? Do you think they're actually think they're talking to that person. I think there is some sort of connection in that way. Yes, at that I think there is. Well, I mean they're not having you could be right, so maybe having a conversation, but most are just there just to I guess I could see that like honestly. Because, okay, here's how I could see that. Like, for example, you and I both like nature. We like hiking and riding our mountain bikes off into the hills and stuff. So, given that most cemeteries are also quiet, a lot of them are hilly, they're beautifully camp they're just kind of pleasant, peaceful places to be. I like peacefulness a lot and I don't really think of the dead is creepy at all. So to me it's I don't really have a loved one or even anybody I know that's in a cemetery I can visit, but if I did, it would definitely be a place I would consider. Riding my bike maybe once or twice a year, stopping, buying, just chilling and in the few minutes I would stop and just kind of pay a quiet observance to the headstone and think of the good times. But beyond, what I see here makes sense to me. But and on top of and on top of a nice place to bike ride, if it was a shitty place on top of a dark hill? No, I'm not sorry, I'm just not going there, but you know I mean so agree with you, though. Is the peacefulness? Yes, the peacefulness and feel of you know it's someplace. Why you just want to escape to that part. I totally get that. Next time. They're fascinating to especially the old ones. Like there's a over in black diamond mines up in Pittsburgh, California. It was old mining town and the whole town got wiped out by black lung disease or some shit because of all the cold dust they were bringing out of the mind. So there's a whole bunch of tombstones up there from like the eighteen hundreds and then I think smallpox came and wiped out the rest of the town. So it's really trippy. Is like little headstones at like born one thousand eighteen, ninety six, diedeousand eight hundred and ninety seven, like yeah, I was a little baby in there. Crazy Shit, but that's just historic stuff. That's not that's a little different than what you're talking about. Yeah, but is it a Catholic thing? Don't choose go to Jewish cemeteries, or don't military families do the same thing at military cemeteries? I don't know. I'm only going by the people that I've come in content just with. You. Just know more Catholics than Jews or military people? Maybe I don't. Don't know. I knew know of any Jewish, Jewish descendants. Vicky Coker at the money yeah, and the moment my mother in Law Jewish. Yeah, for you, definitely. I I did have one tape trader friend in New York City. He was definitely Jewish. But yeah, that was it. That because there's not really a lot of what unquote you, I mean to your point. I think all the religions do it, the semetary thing. So you just just seeing the ones in your social circles, but I'm fairly certain all the different ones do it. I'm you're probably right, although I'll say Catholics have some of the more involved rituals about death that I've seen. If, like, I went to a proper Catholic funeral when my buddy rays father passed away, and they all had the same uniform, they all had the same beads. They all had the same Crucifix Cross and they're all like seeming to do similar prayers and by multitude of numbers. Remember when you have to write sentences on the chalkboard when you got in trouble at school? That's what they would do. They would repeat these prayers over and over and count a bead and beat and beat it, push the beat up, as they would say the prayers. So that's what a lot of them are doing. Their reciting a prayer each time they push a beat up. Will look how long that necklace is. That's a lot of beads right there. So a...

...lot of them are spending time doing a ritual. That's what I know. That about Catholics. I don't know if Jews have prayer beads or native Americans dance around the Wigwam or some shit. I don't know that makes sense. The the ritual part. Yeah, because I mean I think the ritual does take a number of times. If you go to the church on Sunday and said I've been missing my dead husband and he says Oh, well, go, you know, read the Blah blad passage a hundred times and you'll feel better. Well, really he's just telling her to meditate for people that don't know how to meditate. So you go there and you get a hypnotic state. You read it over and over and it, you know, washes away your troubles because you now focused on a new thing. HMM, it's fine. It's different because we don't do it, but it's it's fine. Learn something new every day. I've remember Shit I didn't know every day. That does make sense, though, that every type of religion as their own rituals towards the passing of loved ones or friends or whatever. Once some Barry, some burn, some, you know, putting on a pire and a raft and float down the river. Still. Yeah, I'm not sure what the rest do. I just I mean I was raised in a Christian society by mostly kind of Christian people. So we either like cremated or put into a casket, whichever you wants or afford. It used to be the casket thing, but it seems like most people have gone towards cremation lately and a lot of people are into the don't put me in urn, spread me out around my favorite place. HMM, those are that's that's my folks directive. Yeah, that's pretty much most Americans I know are like that. Yeah, I mean my folks bought a what do you call that when you're in one of those mausoleums? I don't know, a slot, nitch? Yeah, okay, they bought into a niche. What goes into a niche? As they got closer towards now, Dude, even they're still alive. Yeah, they said, you know what, if you guys need the money, go ahead and sell the niche and just, you know, spread our remains on like Monte a blows. That amazing. Like that, semitary spots and mausoleum spots, like niches, are like time shares. Basically, you just buy into it, but there is value because other people want that. Correct. So we've actually noticed that it's increased in Backley. You will look, it's almost like property. So it's property. It's literally property. It's like timeshare. You don't own the land, but you own a by agreement, the value of that piece of the land that you have been paying into. MMM, I think that's neat. How big is the niche and what's supposed to go into it? Like a couple urns, I mean ideally, is that originally what those are for? Are they like a locker size space inside of a big marble room? I think. There you go, but you just said Yep, yeah, Marble Room and some little locker deals. Racial can have like your name ingrained on it. So you put a little plaques or a little mounted flower urns and things like that on the side if you if you upgrade. This is a fancy one, not the Hollywood forever cemetery, but one west of there in Hollywood where Marilyn Monroe is born. It's like that. It's almost all like that around the edges. It's like, Huh, you said born. Oh, Barry de Emmittt. Okay, but she's not actually bad. I think she's in one of those niches. Are you talking the big huge what's it called? It's the wanting. It's not forest lawn either. That was enough. Yeah, I know it's not that one. I didn't. My friend of mine, who has a deep history of Hollywood,...

...showed me where it was. It's down sunset, basically, oh, wait a minute, there's it's bad. It's like a celebrity one. Well, this too, okay. This is the Hollywood for everyone, which is in kind of the heart of Hollywood. With Dee Dee Ramone statue and all that really Badass like pyramid glass, stained glass, pyramid mouzle. The whole thing is super cool. It's not that one. I'm like, oh well, where is it? So he drove me down to Beverly Hills. It's just like a square block in Beverly Hills. It looks like a city park, almost, just like one square block with a bunch of trees and grass, but it's full of headstones and that's where mel blank was, Marilyn Monroe, like that level of celebrities were down there. Wow. But yeah, forest lawn is a trip to if I fasten the whole thing about dying is fascinating. That the fact that it's an industry is really interesting. It is an industry the undertaker. I was listening to a country station the other day. Here in Oklahoma. They got a station called Hey Gif am. It's like that's perfect, so we'll listen to this. Well, one of the lyrics in one of the country songs I was listening to they to talk about how they're hanging around. I think the song was called down home and how GRANDPA was buried up under the maple tree. I start to think, how fucking simple of a life can we get? Let's just bury our families on her property and we just go sit out on the bench by GRANDPA and GRANDPA. So then it wouldn't be as weird. Like that would be an interesting ritual for white people in America to do instead of counting beads, but it would still be a ritual. Yeah, this is before all the the big cities started, and you know everybody had land too. Yeah, yeah, and just do a dig a plot. Couldn't see that that'd be weird anyway. So, yeah, we get grumpy because we feared death. Apparently, are we compared death to our earlier, more youthful times? I've always found cemeteries just to be kind of I guess because of its quietness. It just feels weird. So, yeah, that's all in our head. I don't think a chimpanzee with no Dick about a cemetery. He probably goes shit on a headstone. They just don't know. They're like death. What's death? I have no respect for the dead because I don't even know what death means. I like that. I actually like that perspective. I think I might adopt that go for it. Well, the part problem is I actually do, though, what death means. Like he can't UN learn what shall already know. You can unlearn whatever you want, just better, whether you want to. You can't be can't your brain to day whatever you want it to do. You can't on learn it. You have to overlearn it. You have to put new stuff on top of it that's stronger than the earlier shit. In other words, you can't peel it back and just go back to nothing. You can't pour nothing into your head and say, okay, cover up that like a eternal sunshine of a spotless mind. IDEA. HMM, selective memory, racuer. All right, dude, let's get out of here. Tomorrow at noon. Send it at noon central time. We're going live with Jacob Thornton and our cohost, Pecky, will join us, which you do in the rest of the day. I'm waiting back up a second, so I won't you meant. You mentioned that you want to do like a half hour before the guest comes on. So do you are you doing earlier than that and then the guest comes on? It twelve. What do you want to do? In other words, do you want to start broadcasting to this audience at thirty, when we're quote unquote, practicing, and let the guests drop in at noon, or do you want to just shoot the shit and warm up before noon and then start recording when he gets here? It's up to you. A minute, fifteen minute ahead of time, I'm mean, yeah, yeah, who doesn't matter how many minutes. I'm just saying, which way do you want to go? Do you want to like open up the mics and talk to this audience like we're doing now, before the...

...guest gets here? Yes, you do. Okay, so they'll. So this will all go live and then the guests will drop in live. And then if the guest doesn't drop in, that'll be live too, and we'll publicly humiliate the guess for not showing up. It'll be live. We want to have any choice. Now. We won't publicly hubiliate them, but the fact that they've liked will be broadcast live. Yeah, I think it should be. I think these people that flake all the time, who cannot keep I mean it's like, Dude, you're taking our time away and you're flaking on this thing to promote. You want to promote something and you're flaking on it. Right right, exactly. Hey, oh, hey, fuck you. It's what it feels like. So the way I look at it is if they flake, then yeah, we cool some out. Well, we'll still have a show. That's the cool thing I like about doing a show with you and Becky is that, if the guess flakes, will just keep talking about whatever the fuck we were talking about for as long as a show needs to be. Hell Yeah, I love it. Doesn't always need a guest. I don't. I don't think everybody needs a guest all the time. Sometimes we have enough to get off our chest. We could have included that whole bore at review you on this show, but I had to tell you about that secret thing. So you know, we've got plenty to talk about all the time. And, by the way, I might send over an email to Jacob Thornton. I don't know. Tell me if this is weird, but I want to see if he'll watch off the rails before he comes on, because Jacob is all so autistic. But is that like asking a black person to watch birth of a nation before they come on the I mean, you know what I mean is that weird asks hisstic person. They go watch this really powerful movie about an autistic person. I don't find it offensive. If that's what you're asking, I don't either. I I think seen this movie? If not, highly encourage you to check it out. It would be a great to discuss this topic with you. Right, I agree. I think it's powerful, regardless of where you are on the spectrum. Right. I mean, I did. I I looked up, what was it? Free Darius now? Yeah, yeah, there's. There's actually a fundraiser for him. I saw that. I got his address from the psychiatric hospitals in New York. To Dude, he's in a I mean the way they describe the place. They're like, yeah, he's around psychotic murder his people, and it's like the and this is what I don't understand. It's like he has shown no signs of violence, yet they treat him like he's like a murderous criminal as I don't get it. Easy. What Gary and I are talking about? This a thing on Amazon, was it? Yeah, Amazon prime called off the rails the story of Darius McCallum. You gotta check it out. I don't don't have want to give it away. Just watch the trailer. If it looks like it's something you might be into, you'll definitely be into it. It's an incredible story, man, it's touching. It it's just like this dude literally fell in love with something and, yeah, he went into Unorthodox ways of yeah, pursuing his passion, of his that thing to him. So I guess a good way to put it was his he pursued his passion and so intensely that he crossed the line. All because of that stabbing. That's all I'm going to say. Because of the trauma he into art. Yeah, well, it's that was shocking. In the very beginning of the movie you'll find out what we what Gary just said. He was like stabbed. Oh my God, that is shocking. But anyway, so he pursued a passion in trains. That hints the...

...name off the rails, and then you'll see what becomes of his life. But because he did love from other people, yeah, or the acceptance to like do what he wanted to do legitimately, would you say? He's better off, though, in a crazy hospital around psychotics, better than riker's island, though? I think so. I don't know by what I read about that place. In upstate New York. It's pretty brutal play. It's as bad as they get as far as mental facilities go, because it's locked down and you're stuck in there with actually people who have killed others because they're psychotic. He's not psychotic. Yeah, and he hasn't killed anyone. It's like he hasn't, he isn't. He isn't hurt anyone like you know, I mean isn't. He hasn't rape, he hasn't a salt and he hasn't done anything to any other human that's the crazy thing. So and the fact that it's exposed that, you know, he impersonated, you know, a trained person work or went in on meetings and, you know, never showed any I mean and they embraced him. They were just like, Oh, yeah, you know, it's fucking darious. Yes, it's a fucking a fit. So, anyway, I think he's better off on as how the New York treats Oh yeah, but the disabled. I just say disabled honestly, because where he falls on the spectrum is up to you to decide as the viewer. And how we treat people with various disorders, like do you consider a mental disorder the same as a physical and which do the same thing to somebody that was simply physically disabled. It's a lot of interesting kind of ways to slice the movie. It's really cool. Yeah, and I'd love to see if someone's going to create something that counters what we saw. Is just like, well, well, you only saw the inside of it, you know. You didn't see his dark side. You know, they kind of covered that. We know they protected that side with the prosecutor. So I mean fairer if it's not like they ignored it. They gave the prosecutor space give it side. Anyway. I don't want to give the rest of the way. So go watch that if you're into it. So check it out. and been figured a good way to promote this show is to go on other people's podcasts. One of the dudes podcast I did yesterday was Travis, Travis Brown, the guy who invented these pod deck things. What are pod deck? These cards with the questions? Oh yeah, so in honor of my interview and Travis Graciously having me on his podcast yesterday, I'm not sure when that's coming out, but it'll be out eventually and then we'll get a big spike in our viewers, for our listeners, for this show. So that's kind of cool. Anyway, I really appreciate what he's doing. So let's go do a couple questions and then get the fuck along with their lives right on. What makes you feel old? MMM, I could think of two things. Let me go first. Yeah, please do because I'm blanking. Okay it. The first one's kind of a Combo, but they're definitely combined. It's aches and pains, recovery time. That's a good one. That definitely makes me feel old. I'd never felt that way as a kid. You could drink, you could party, you could skateboard all day, you could swim, you could fucking drink again, you could all this crazy shit right nothing next day. Just sleep it off. Not even a full night sleep, you just binding the next day. I noticed when I got really close to fifty, almost exactly fifty, for some reason I like just kind of ache a little bit getting out of bead of like that's funny. I didn't I didn't help anybody move yesterday. I didn't do anything worthy of aches. Or sometimes I'll just do something like right about it, neck crept.

Yeah, or I rode a bike and I'm like why am I? Thighs are it's like because you haven't rot a bike in like at least six or seven days, like like six or seven days in. My muscles are aching already. I'm like, what the fuck? So you just get that aches and pains and the recovery time when you do actually injure yourself, like you fall or you bonk your knee or cut your skinner. My skin still heals fast, but I'm just the akiness of bunking, damage of falling and that kind of stuff. That sucks. That makes me feel old. That's a good one, I think. The other thing that kind of makes me feel old is I have a up did this. I like to be home before it gets dark. I love it. That's awesome. You know what I mean. Fuck, you know, I know the vibe you're talking about. Now it I'll jump in the car and go somewhere, but more or less I'm not really in the mood of investigating the night anymore, like, yeah, used to be. Nothing good happens after dark, like my grandma always said. Like maybe grandma had a point. That's where I see stories about bad shit happening to people three in the morning and like, well, that's what you get, you DOUNB fuck, go bad, go to bed, go home, shut up. Just Rock said it best. He's like, if you're at the ATM at three o'clock in the morning and you're withdrawing two hundred dollars, say you ain't. You Ain't getting it for, you know, going to the hospital or anything like that. You're you're gonna do some fucking illegal stuff. Yeah, yeah, agreed along those lines. Yeah, after dark, Shit, that's good. The other thing that makes me feel old currently is ticktock. It's the first thing I just fucking don't get. I don't get it. I don't think about Tick Tock, so it doesn't turn into my brain. I don't. I try not to think about these brand new social media type APPS that you know, just keep putting in the you are. She really has some think about it our life. You really have to think about to make it for it to make you feel old anytime. So you're a are of it, though, and you've seen a screenshot of or video or two of it. I've never seen a video. I've only seen screenshots and links and I just go now. I don't I don't care. Yeah, so, you get it, so that the it's popularity is what makes me feel old, like I the fact I don't get why it's popular is what makes me feel old. Ah, Oh, okay, well, I don't feel old in that regard. I just feel like this is something that I I don't give a shit about, whether that makes me old or just yeah, know, that is it. That's it, like I holly don't give a shit about and normally I try to give a shit about all things entertainment industry or music industry related. Right, not this one, like just not only don't give a shit, it's not apathy, it's like discussed like hatred, like I dislike it. I don't think it's ruining shit and like totally so, yeah, really, but because I feel that way, I'm like, wait, I sound like something an old person would say. That's why I'm like, is that make me feel old? Yeah, it's just that kind of thing. It's a but that's just indicative of any kind of new media that I'm not understanding. But so far I understand, like almost. I understand the allure of Youtube, I understand the allure of Netflix, video gaming, online gaming, all those things. But when it came to tick Tock, I'm like, and then it got super popular and like why? Like, what, it my old now? Is it that I finally get old? That's what I start thinking. Well, I think usually what happens when something gets super popular is it has a money, a big money backer behind it. That was, yeah, a try mass a marketing type thing to the audience they're going after, which is mainly...

...teens and S. Yeah, well, it's also I mean that's Chinese money. The basically the Chinese military government has control over ticktock. Bad Right. That troubles me to but I'm not like a conspiracy freak about it. I just like, well, that's just one other layer of my hatred for a dumb thing I don't understand already. HMM, yeah, I guess because I don't think about it, I don't have hatred towards it when I should. You know now you shouldn't like you. I don't know. It's like when snapchat came along, I'm like, oh great, another thing that, yeah, I'm exactly looks a fine. Snapchat, this ticktock thing, all of that. When our age try and use it, that's where I just go suka crazy to try to be kid. I mean just live in its society right now, where everything is geared towards being a fucking teenager, and that's what really annoys me about do think how how we've become come? It's like when the whole social media thing came about, I'm like, Oh, it feels like we're all teenagers again and we're in dividical it's like to you, I think. Do you think I agree with you? Do you think it's because we've feared death? We're like, we're just going to cling to our teenage years because we're unlike chimpanzees, were aware of death, and even more so now, because people stare at the screens and all they see are riots and corrupt politicians and pandemic. So do you think? Fine, we are you talking our age group? Are just humans in general, American Society in general, American Society in general. Okay, well, brought all the Western world, all the developed countries that use the Internet, basically, dude, that's so. I mean going to say global. Now we're all trying to be youthful or trying to be young, because maybe we just fear death. Maybe we need to go back to our monkey heritage and stop worrying about death. Just live happily until we're old and then we just drop ope. Well, I've kind of noticed that since I've adopted a little bit of a hippie lifestyle, meaning that I love doing things naked and just, you know, just feeling what it's like to just be naked and do things and be comfortable, you know, in my own house, naked. So and the end of those times I'm not well. So answer the question. What makes you feel Oldbough, what moment? So, what makes you feel old? I think there's a number of things, but trying to narrow it down to just a talking point is difficult for me at this moment. Stick the top one off the list. Well, you you nailed the one about, you know, the egges and pains. That that's a given, in my opinion. Yeah, Oh, only because we know now. I would not have thought that that was a given. I used to hear old people bitch about the ages and pains when I was younger and I try not to be that old guy bitching about the pains. Honestly, they're not that bad. They're just noticeable more than when I was young. Like when you're young you don't have any great too I have that goes along at the eggs and pains, I'd say memory. Oh No, that's a good one, dude, for sure that does. That make you actually feel like you're losing it? Well, I think it's by design because, you know, when these smartphones came along, my memory started getting worse because it's just overloaded with information. And you know, with that bombardment of information, I have a hard time retaining other important information because it's it's just swimming in this pool of other information that I may or may not know what to do with. Yeah, I've read an interesting story about how the human brain works and it's kind of a bad to...

...compare the human brain to a computer. But I did like this metaphor that scientists use and they say the reason we have a hard time pulling up data when we're older is, simply put, our hard drives are full. It's we have more data to sort through. When you're three years old and you only know eight hundred words and fifteen colors or whatever, like life is easy. As you progress through life, you are loading up your hard drive and you might have to sort through all that data to get to the right answer, and it just takes a little bit of time, even at light speed. Yeah, I need to defrag my hard drive. Yeah, exactly, that's good, man, those are good. Anyway, that's good enough for up to like forty five minutes. I think we've had enough, but anything more than forty five minutes, I think whence people see the length of a podcast in the in the kind of rack, I think I might scare them off. So anyway, just if you're listening, most of the podcast can be trimmed down. I just don't feel like trimming this one down because it's casually. It's casual Saturday. I think of it this way, though. If we did not have these smartphones and social media, would my memory still be just as bad? That's what I'm kind of driving at. I would saying no. You'd be forced into using that those muscles more your memory. Would be forced into remembering my phone number, your mom's phone number, your brother's phone number, like you'd be forced in knowing your own. I mean even just numbers alone, all the numbers in your better now, in your phone that you don't think of. All that stuff is muscles that it takes. Not True Muscles, but you know I mean burns things, because before these cell phones and smartphones, we would pick up a phone and just be like, Oh yeah, what's that, dude? Oh yeah, that's that's number. I can't pull up Cathie or fucking Angie or whatever, you know. Right. Yeah, it's now just like a number. Luckily I'm able to retain my parents phone number, my brother's cell phone number and my phone number. Let's see, only three, but those haven't changed. Imagine, if imagine if they change them every couple of years like people do nowadays. Then you just be like fuck, it'd be too much. But yeah, so I think you're right. Just our communic well, here's the thing. I think we used to be able to read minds and all kinds of crazy things, and I think when the industrial age came around, the Bronze Age, tools, all these things, and especially later with the printing press and knowledge and then computers, we've slowly started to think that, oh, that will help us replace our organic abilities. But it does not. It doesn't at all. It's stupid. It's almost as life. We used to be able to fly and read minds and now we're stuck staring at plastic screens, Yep, Yep, and I'm not joking, I mean I'm I'm not socializing like we used to. Don't even know how. All we know how to socialize us through a plastic now we don't even know. Take the plastic away between us, whether it's clear sneeze shield at CVS or whether it's this clear plastic shield here between you and me and different states on the Internet, and we don't know how to interact with people with there's no plastic between us. I mean the only cool thing right now for technology is what we're doing right now, for example, you know, being able to well, here's this tons of cool stuff. You sure have conversations. Yeah, I mean I was talking to somebody else about this, like we're in this shit age of technology. We're like the experimental age where she just doesn't work. It's clunky. In the future, we're talking forty or fifty years, that'll be great. Technology will read our mind, it will actually serve humanity. Right now we're just on that. None. Yeah, it's not serving us. Where the Guinea Pigs? We're testing all these fucking Beta to we're basically the Beta test generation. We're testing all of this shit and it's clunky. Half the people don't use it. There's no standards. Shit don't work all the time.

There's no tech support. So we're living in the shit age of technology. There's some cool stuff out there, but not compared to fifty years from now, not by a long shot. People will laugh at us. In fifty years people look back and said, you get to use a keyboard on a computer what? You drove your own cars. That's crazy. You know, I heard a really good analogy yesterday about time traveling. It was like our aliens, you know, these aliens that have been seen? Are Those the time travelers? Those are us, those are us from the future. Yes, there is nothing but us, and aliens they talk about are just variance of what we are, if you want to call it human or whatever. But the humans morphed throughout infinity. So yes, we morph into those things in the future and those things come back to try to warn us about shit exactly. Or is our time travel just does not exist, because if it did, don't you think they'd be able to warn us about like, Oh, yeah, I guess you guys didn't blow up the world yet because we're not. Well, they's coming back to warn us. They do warn us, but they warn, but are they? They warn people who then get shut down by the powers that be, like the inherent evil forces on earth try to intercept those messages and if they can't intercept them, they'll paint them as conspiracy theorists and cooks. So we'll never get the true message. But it seems sort well have people are the ones that actually have the shall we say, antenna. For these people, I think they're on the right track. They just don't have the resources to be incredible. Yep, like obviously a tinfoil has silly. But the idea that there's extra energy floating around and in the universe that comes through everything. Well, photons will come right through alone them to so I don't know what they're trying to protect themselves from anyway, because there's most the energy in the universe will come straight through me, my desk, to Earth, China, everything right now just passed through all of us instantly. MMM, how do we capture that? How do we hop a ride on that? How do I disintegrate myself into Proto Art photons and just hop a ride on light and go somewhere else? I got a steady signs for that. My friend. We used to know how to do this. This is the thing. Whatever way, too, I want to say that Silicon Valley definitely is touching into alien technology, because what is this smartphone thing that came about at just the one time? I think they're just a bunch of middleman that inserted unnecessary technology between us and our creator. Unnecessary layer of silicone, if you will, still a con sorry, that doesn't need to be there. If we take away the whole layer of technology, we will be equally in touch with the rest of the universe as we ever were. But think of it this way. To Silicon Valley had one of the biggest defense contractor companies. Yeah, on the West Coast. No, it's just an entirely industry of ship humanity doesn't need because it's based on constructs. Silicon Valley makes his money off war. Well, we don't need war. It's a human idea. It's just a construct. Human Silicon Valley and makes this idea on the idea that we need to communicate better. But we communicate just fine before, in the days of the titans and the and the gods. Right now. Think of it this way, though. I social media to me is what was what I called the downfall is just like a it's like a Shitty fucking old ass fishing that just stuck in the river,...

...or something of yourself that you're that you're you're you're actually inputting the informations in. Some call it up a premulation of yourself. I'll call the presentation of yourself. Yeah, because it's not simulating you at all, it's only simulating the parts of you that you choose to present. So right, it's a presentations people out there that want to just show them everything about themselves, and then now there's not not even that they it. It's very carefully curated, quote unquote, everything to look quote unquote, authentic, but it's all bullshit really. HMM, that's that's what's fuck up. Saying is is some of the technology that is come out for computers. Like before the whole social media thing, I was happy just text are. What was it? Instant messaging. I had no problem with the instant messaging and, you know, sharing links or whatever through emails. I didn't need a facebook or a my space or a you know, whatever else is that. It's like the whole thing with instagram. Everything is like, let's stare at the screen with stare at pictures and then give our reactions it. Did you ever write a secret love letter to a girl you had a crush on in school? Did I do? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. Dude. That's one to me. That's old school right there, Dude. I remember that. That was fun and that was risky. Man, when you're like in fifth or sixth grade and you got the balls and the work, it up to the gumption, the courage, the audacity to write a letter, to tell some girl, the hottest girl in the class, like hey, your secret admire Lah, Blah Blah. Also to write it, not present it to her. That's as far Scot for me. My most embarrassing thing was that I wrote I love you, Paula on my drumstick and I did not sign it. I think I put hot eyes on it, though. The name of my man's shot hot nice. I'm sixth grade, okay, come on. So hot ice, dude, reminds you I graduated when I was sixteen, so it's sixth grade. I had to be in like ten. Okay, that's just hot ice is dope. Dude. That's a great name. The logo you see to seeing the I it was a ice cube on fire. That's like fire and ice. It's better. It's hot eyes. It's like sexual chocolate is good shit. So hot ice your new nickname, man, John, hot ice lily. All right, she got it, I got for you. So I put this drumstick on Paula's door, the pretty girl in the neighborhood and in my class. I get to class, that particular class, like third period. The next day there's the kind of peppermint patty like butch kind of girl who's nose Paula. She's all like, you know, she doesn't even like you, John Lily. Aren't you in that band? Hot Ice? Like fuck, this is sixth grade, mind fucking sixth grade. I was fucking humiliated. I didn't know about cutting cutting class yet, right, but I learned real quick after that about cutting class. I was so fucking humiliated. Like me and a good friend, we shared a crush on a girl and we used to have what we're called, I'm not going to say your name, but Blah Blah Blah attacks, and I can't really re call what it is we did, but we would just like look at each other and go, we're having a blah, blah blah attack. To and yeah, I don't I I'm trying to remember what the fuck it was. But yeah, dude, she was a hotty. Oh my God.

And here's what cybronic about this whole thing. I had a crush on her then never had the balls to ask her out because, you know, you had that whole thing like she's not gonna like me, Blah, blah, blah. So the self esteem wasn't there, but dyed. Fast forward round Shin years later we met up, I think it was at the five year reunion, and she was kind of a college hippie chick kind of thing, and I was starting to do my concert stuff and, you know, just out of the Blue I told her I was like yeah, you know, I'm going to go tape the there's like a free benefit going on its city hall that has the cult playing and Bonnie raid and it was free, and I said I'm going to tape it. You want to come along? She's like yeah, that'd be awesome. So she came along and, Oh my God, dude, she just stirred up feelings again and me and and then I revealed her. I was just like, you know, Adina, I used to have a fucking crush on you back in sixth grade but never had the balls to say Shit. And she kind of found that funny and it didn't really go anywhere after that. Nice, but yeah, that's and then a fast forward to what was it, the twenty year we yeah, I think it was the twenty year reunion. And and she is our class president and she married a dude and the dude was at the reunion and I saw him in the back in the bathroom while I was washing my hands, and I said, I'm all hate dude. I'm just going to level with you right now because I got to get this out. I go, I used to have a big crush on your wife and you told me, told her husband this at the fucking classroom night. Yeah, in the bathroom and Gary and he goes, he goes, Oh really, and I go yeah, Dude, she was. She was a hotty. You're lucky guy. Congratulations, I'm jealous. And that's pretty much all it was left at all. Right then, well, that's fantastic. Maybe we should just leave it at that. So noon tomorrow central time, we'll be here a little earlier and come nude will also get Jacob in here to talk about his podcast. Cool, cool, okay, so that means ten. What the fuck is going on on tears? Nine hundred and thirty for me. So sure you want know? Are we starting at noon or are we going to start a little earlier and then your guests is going to be at noon? I don't remember. What was it our due yes, the second one. So we are starting at now. Okay, Jacobs coming noon and we're starting early. Right. So what I'm saying is, do I get on at thirty, quarter two? What time you can come on? ADS WHAT I don't know if you want to come on a half an hour early or fifteen minutes earlier. You tell me and then I'll pass that on to becky. Half an hour sounds fine, because we like to digress a lot and we should get that out of our system before Jacob comes on. Good idea, and thirty it is. Okay, I'll see you then. And for all you people still listening, we appreciate you and listen to tomorrow noon. You could also go to Emo Dojo DOT ORG and chat with us, and I'm also going to I think I'm going to live stream my camera from my studio, just my side of the audio, to the facebook so if you want to hear or watch that, go for it, but to hear the whole thing you're gonna have to subscribe to our Goddamn podcast, like you're supposed to write. Hmmm, all right, then we're out of here.

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