Emo Dojo™ Presents: John Emotions
Emo Dojo™ Presents: John Emotions

Episode · 1 year ago

Neophobia Vs. Neophilia

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John's boys come to stay with him in Louisiana; quick review of the Cajun Rodeo Championship; then an interesting conversation about neophobia vs. neophilia.

Its only and now it's online Ai Leeswith mystyle, Oh hey, you may have noticed, I didn'tthe name of the podcast- has changed sort of. I got tired of using the wordby polar in pretty much anything, because what purpose does it serve? Why are welabeling all of this and then I realized like when I was going to kaiser out inCalifornia they're the same way you see apsychiatrist, Ora Therapist, and if you try to tell them about your priorhistory, like Oh, this doctor said I had this for that they don't want tohear that they're. Just like oh well, let's just fix how you feel like how doyou want to feel, and what do you want to be doing in life? Let's focus onthat. We don't really care about the label so kind of based on that. I'm justchanged the name of the stove show from by polar style to just emotions likejohnny motions. So that's actually what brings us to today, which is super cool one of my favorite podcasts I've everdone in my entire history of podcasting. Is this one? So this is the first onethat both of my sons are actually here in the studio theyare taking part ofProject Louisiana with me and if you've been listening to the show for a while.You know I've been kind of a vagabond drifting from interesting project oneto the next and so we're starting to mood garden. And it's going to be for people's mood andmemory disorders should be awesome. So my sons are here with me and it turnsout they're into shit like this to podcasting and what not? So I guess ina way, if I were johnny motions, these two I'mabout to introduce would be nikemotions and Jackie motions. It's the emotions is so what's up to it's his great to have youand thanks for partaken, I think the listener will enjoy hearing,multilayered family approach to podcasting so nick and Jack, and I were over at the local, like hamburger,diner place called rocket, driveing rocket drive through and getting some Burgers, some shakesand whatnot, and there ware some otherwise normal. Looking folks infront of us right, jeans and t shirts straight up, CUN tell they're from the countryunless they open their mouth yeah and apparently we're doing it kind of rightbecause they look at us like y'll from round here. You know, what's good likeasking us what's good on the menu and straight I mean we just kind of like gofor the Burgers and shakes anywhere so we're like. Oh No we're from California.You are tastonished. I know right and we hadlittle Chit Chat with the fellows and...

...it was like kind of father and sonlooking crew or maybe just taller guys and shorter guys or something. But they were. You know getting their food ahead of us,but yea had to wait for a minute. So you kind of stuck there in small chatand small talk, Shit Cet and what thing led to the next. So thenthey're saying what are youall doing tonight and we had considered going toa theater down the street to a standup comic. But instead they said well we'regoing to the Rodeo like Oh fuck, so Rodeo, so the first night nick and JackGout. Here we straight up, went down to the Rodeo, the Jannins Rodeo part ofthe Caje in Rodeo series and Ho Shit. It was something else which think ofthat it was more like. It was more. It was more funny to me, but I feel likepeople would get Gettin mad because of like it's like Ik. Oh, that's like tortured animalsand stuff, but it's like yeah, but it's just funny that they get into that kindof thing. Don't know it's just funny. Like I don't know, funny's the rightword, maybe yeah. I thought it was funny for sure that, especially thepart where I was pretty sure it was both animal abuse, handchild abuse.That shit was funny where, because they had this thing, where okay, they havenormal cowboy shit, where it's like a guy on a horse chasing a little babycow and they rope it by the neck jump off the horse, jump down, throw the cowon its back and rope up three of its legs. So it can't get up for likethirty seconds or something I couldn't remember sixteen or sixty whatever. Itwas anyway, the that's normal, and then they had theother part where the fucking guy, like cowboys, just jump out of the shootwith the medium size cow. That kind of has horns and they got to wrestle thatto the ground. That was cool and then they had something. That was amazingthat I don't think I'd ever seen at a Rodeo in California, and that is where they put little kids on the backsof sheep and let the sheep run out of the shoe like a Goddamn Bull. So that was amazing and they had like some older kids. You know, but mostlyit was little kids and some of them ie wearing helmets, other ones that shouldhave been had helmets on did not, and the one thing that just struck mehas nuts was. There was a little baby strapped like a backboard, like you puta injured patient from the street into anambulance on something like that. A little baby version with the baby strapto hits head there held on fucking handle if thiy Ay fuckit just the clowdran with this poor baby bounce along the back of a sheep, and I was Testraps of a fucking of a parachut without the parashotts like a biggass,Harness Theyre Sasa, gym bag handler totally that that was maniacal, I'm alllike Yep, that's pretty much...

...t well, I was like that's definitelychild abuse and that's Annibal abuse like what but then like. Well, theymust be doing this for generations, because do people just hop right on top of ahorse like it? Oh I'm, fifteen yeah hopping on top of a horse sounds fine.You Get up there, it's hell, scary, but man if you've been jumping on since theinfancy jumping on the backs of things and trying to rive them, I guess beinga cowboy pretty easy, like the transition, the man that it's like hetheyre Kingseniera, yeah, t whatever age, that that one thing was not evenyear old. On the back of that sheep, that was nuts Tao UN well plus and likethe listeners to the show know that I'm like Apeis, it was super super religiously. They like at onepoint we felt like we were in a vice documentary. whereit's, like H, expectsome crazy shit to happen. It felt kind of cult like, and I don't know if you've ever taken acid,but when you take acid, you like everything, is so predictable. Everypeople and the way they act, because you just hypeer ware of Shit and we erepretty big. So fucking people were coming up in the in the stands and Ithink everybody knew each other and by that standard I think we stood out,because I saw people like moms and shit standing at the base of the stairs justkind of looking ut like who they knew so who could they wave to because they,God bless America and that fucking alarm so yeah. It felt kind of weird in thatsense and yeah, it was pretty enjoyable, though Idog it yeah. I fiurit on the first day to the most surrealthing you can thinkof Yeah d. They kept like waving the flag and like well give a big round ofa blause for your Louisiana cowboys. It's like, but they got football here to Wi isweird yeah for sure for sure onder whats bigger like what's I don't know, I bet itsplit to because you kind of have to pick one. Don't you think, or could youhave time to do too? I don't know I don't know if the seasons overlap ornot, I think t fuckthe far or the Rodeo Shits, probably more family broughtdown. I feel like more than the football. It's probably just see someonline yeah because and if you do Rodeo gonna have to have access to horses,yeah either throughonl a farm at the family, Farmand Shit Yeah like eitherthrough property or through just Muney to Rantom, whatever yeah that'. So thatwas pretty interesting and there's IT's Marty Gras time too. So we'll probablyfind some cool, Mardi Gra place to go to and check out that weirdness. Sothere's the topic I was going to have on the podcast and it's great yere,because now you guys can help me Hash it out. So, okay, so you know how everything getsbinary and hashed out to either or black or white red state blue stateRepublican Democrat. I mean fucking up down sonight and day ones in Zeros.It's all two choices, but it seems so...

...artificial. Like we live, we live in agreat spectrum, so why are we just getting down the Horsall, the GRACspacin between the yeah, and I think in that spacis color too, you know what Imean like: That's where all the powers in there for sure and why do people act and think the waythey do and I started thinking because I'm hyper right, I always want to getout and fucking do things like. How can people want to to sit and then I alsorealize hi have this neewjerk reaction against holidays and I'm like. Why isthat I m, like holidays, never hated on me or hurt my feelings or anything, andthen I realized the older. I get the less I like them. The reason I thinkcomes down to these two concepts- ones called NEOPHOBIA and the other isNeophelia, so neophobia neo means new and phobia means fear. So neophobia isfear, fear of the new and then Neophilia is basically a passion for novelty like acraving love of novelty, things of love of the new so to speak. But what is inthat sense the new researchers are saying: It's novelty,it' things you have not experienced yeah, so my God, that's it because, asa person with like Adhd, I'm always craving the novelty I gotto have new,I'm even in school. When I was a kid I'm like, why are we learning aboutstuff already people already know, you know I mean like if they already knowit and they already wrote a book about it. Why are we? Why are we studying it? Who cares like?Can we go, learn new shit and even like in as adult I'MPASS? I'm always like.Can we move on to the next idea? Can we come on this next thing? Jis Gone solike o that that's bothersome and it's also e tradition, but it's so. I lookedinto it. Man and that's like part of the political divide is conservativestraditional conservatives. They really just want to maintain thestatus quote same old thing. You know, have offices be office, workers, theman and his place, the woman in her place, you know, shopping malls, payyour taxes, get a fat refund, Goin a little vacation by a House CollegeStudent Yeah. All that is worker yeah the whole. It's Super Cliche, there's just a model,but the modelis not very effective nowadays in modern times. So I think it's important that we justexplore different ways of thinking about it. So the one idea is like awell: some of US are spassy. Some of us do like tradition, what it came. What came down to waslike people who, like tradition, aren't evil. Inherently, I just o. Now I justsee it as like the hallmark holidays, eveeeryholidays, a hallmark holiday. It seems, like you know, O created, like crafted purposely forcapitalism, for commercial grievs or just game, orain costume, Halloween,decrae like who needs Halloween,...

...decorations or in yeah, no for sure AinChristmas decoratod who needs Thanksgiving decorations. I thoughtItday of these are the questionsyeah. Well for sure, and that's I think, theread that that is why people who crave tradition and things not changing those ofe the people but to us. Wethink so we think so t those are the fobs, the neophobes yeah they are like.No, that's not it's tradition. We have to do this this way. This is din, getTurkey. This is the way we've always done things and that's kind of apopular catch phrase with neophobs like that's the way we've always done it, but I think in what's reallyinteresting was I found out that some tribes, some cultures and civilizations,are more neopheliacs, more neophilic, I guess itwould be the word they're moreinto the newth craving things, because they've had no homeland they've beenpushed around the earth through either slavery or Das. Bors just be pushed outof their homeland. So I wonder in some ways, if us being so connected to theChickasa tribe, that those people ere just continually pushd so whand theirDNA, it starts to become beneficial to adapt to the new. So now we're likewired to like yeah. We like new shit, that's how we thrived right. We thrivefor that and others they benefit from staying still. So that's what I'm like!Oh it's, not really a political argument. We s just two different typesof people, two types of brain thinking yeah and I think the world needs bothneopheliax an deophobs because tradition is fine. It adds stability tothe structure of humanity kind of, but without neophiliax craving new shit allthe time there would be no new inventions, a we wouldn't have gone tothe moon. Wi strive to now yeah because I used to think man striving seems likeit's a crime, but why? Why does it feel that way? And it's becausebecausestutht you have to use or he yeah, because you kind of do- have toadapt and live with modernness to like Achiev in moderntimes. I guess is that what you're saying jet source yeah, that's true for sure, justgetting used to so many different types of new things like the new advances and well yeah andevern o like not really but the spurlock wherethey're, like? Oh, you need to you, the on your new contract, we're going toforce you to upgrade for a little tiny, faint Oli for a new fan when you don'tneed it and shit like that. That's, Oh yeah! They locked you into perpetualupdates yeah, whether it's hardware or software, and it's almost that way withhumans. But again then I'm like that doesn't work on people who don't wantto change. So I'm like. Oh, we need to rethink society in general and justacknowledge that there are some people who crave change and should be allowedto be strivers left alone...

...to strive at all costs and then otherpeople who, like tradition, should be able to celebrate those traditionswithout getting fights with each other about politics or who they're going tovote for who gives a fuck who people a going to vote for just vote for you,personal, but don't vote for a person, because you need to make your opinionknown. It's like they give you the option that it's the whole purposeis togo into a silent little room and keep it private whi. Do you have the voiceherup and you'll like it's a whyl? You have to be so partic predictable toknow you're going to vote for yeah, totally Hashtag Shet up and votetherethat's. First. First things, first shut upyes. A second thing vote shut upand vote in that order. Please, but again, that's me, I'm, like that's thenew way of doing things, just shut up and vote B. T I'm like wait, I'mactually a traditionalist! That's the way we used to you', never talked boutwho you were going to vote, for it was a secret. It was like it's private likeI'm, not telling you and but there was also pre internet. Now everybody wantsto discuss the INS and out of every fucking character, flaw of everybodyrunning for office and nobody's perfect enough, and meanwhile one side's likewell. We just put a clown in and they're like okay dirfteer, so it's soweird and they call that conservative. So those are thetraditionals. Those are the neofoks. That's what they'e like. Oh New People.Now we don't want no Mexicans here, they're new. We mean we're afraid ofthe outsiders. That's a neofob somebody who's, afraid of the outsider that fearof the outsiders really a fear of the new. So what do you call it?Xenophobics theyre, really neiophols at heart, they're, afraid of anything new,so we're kind of threatening their existence by all this progress, likehey we're going to let transgender people just be normal and they're likewhat that's insane. But you know it's just a matter of our brains likeNeopelix were like progress, neet cool, interesting, weird, go forward. That'sawesome! Do that and meanwhile half the voks ar like what Yo de Gattin di fine like like Vince Neel, keep onRockand, shout the devil and Wel just fucking. If you hit them withthe facts, they'll just lock up. I know I'm hot to do well, especially if thefacts are countered to what they've been programmed to think is realbecause they could people most people could acknowledge facts when you showthem the facts like look, the sun rises in the east and goes across the Westand here's a compass that shows you that's east and Thatswester, like nowhati was t flat. It's rises in the bottom and goes to the top you, yourphraseologyis, all wrong, yeah like Vince Ad Bird Du, so I think I think mostly our familyis,all about Neophenia neopheliacs yeah, we're likelove the new the novelty at all costs, although, like your grandmas, my mom and your mom'smom they're kind of traditionalist, they like having their little partieson Easter or Christmasphobic they just...

...like that, they're like no that's justjust the way, we think no need to change. I think OER BLOOD EA! That'sway, we do it. Er Hetsey, my dad, my dad's aneopheliacrophobic somewhere in between, like he's kind of balanced in thatrealm. Well, when we talk to him, he he was Trye to make it seem like heknew his place in the world. He's like. I know, I'm just a retired old man thatjust has it kind of good in old folks, home and I got to just get the mopearound smoke. Pot Watchi at that sounds like SOE shited to say, Rht Cou, just see him walking around is hisold folks home all day every day, isturnd towards like forward yeah. Like thit's like a off blue aged pullot a polo, but you know the opened up button shirt with his chest, haircoming out like a golf shirt, oh yeah same pipe too, that old, Woodi ll havethat Ti his casket, my dad's, a old hippie from California, and he smokesout of a wood pipe yeah, there's technology. Nowadays at heas hetried the volcano bag. I think maybe once Theys Somtin hot up, how can you guys do this she's?Resisting change? A just yeah I get no seriously probably isreally speaking of volcano bag. Yeah was one calling your dame over there yeah we'll hook that up into second,because you know hat the bag is way too crispy on the Mikes. I think Jack is onVocano duty. MAB IS ONT pick up frome here, maybe I don't know we've Gotteblong enough. I think you know, because if it goes more than twenty two minutes,the listenership just drops to their bottom, that's righ to get metal izaionsmodetization, modecesationMonterail. We need just healthy thoughts. That'sit healthy thoughts. So anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts aboutneophobia versus Neophelia and maybe next time, itfe I'll feel us, like I'mbeing interviewed, it's the first time he's ever been on a podcast Mike, livelike this O. don't really know how to think, because it's not actually lobecause your it seems like eare talking to an audience yeah. Iknow what I'm sitting here. Just looking at you and listen to whatyou're saying and when Jack I just feel like we're in the room together havinga conversation. Yeah, that's Yep, you gotta jump in for sure, because it'slike well, I know what the listener expects to hear. So, there's like aconsistency thing either way, but they also know I have kids, so...

...you talking and just jumping inwhatever, because I always break the fourth wall anyway, I talk aboutproducing podcast and fucking. Hey, listen to my new sound effects. I madeand shit like that, and then you make it kind of Nazal. Yes, so that's part of the thing. So what we're doing is starting somegardening stuff because all of us kind of want to get into gardening, but nickwants to get into voiceover work. So he and I are going to like scan through Joshua, Gordon Levittz, hit recordcomor Dotworg or whatever start doing some voice over stuff should be fune. I digit and Jack's going to plant a garden and kicksomebody's ass in a video game. We're going to film it shortly so anyway,yeah things are pretty cool and I'm glad you listen. So anything you want to share with thisperson here and HR with us. Shauthe devil keep on rocking and for Bur Eno Shit, thats funny now we'll just findan outtro that suits this show and I will be done. Lasi the Mani Lasti to Ma for you, AI,Ti Leofor. You last o Mae, see you e Wasos,so stupid and now back to the wall.

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