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Episode · 2 years ago

Neophobia Vs. Neophilia

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John's boys come to stay with him in Louisiana; quick review of the Cajun Rodeo Championship; then an interesting conversation about neophobia vs. neophilia.

It's only your head, and now it's online and Bible, this stylecom yes, John Emotions with Bible, that style. Oh Hey, you may have noticed. I didn't. The name of the PODCAST is changed. Sort of I got tired of using the word bipolar and pretty much anything, because what purpose does it serve? Why are we labeling all of this? And then I realized, like when I was going to Kaiser out in California, they're the same way. You see a psychiatrist or therapist and if you try to tell them about your prior history, like Oh, this doctor said I had this or that, they don't want to hear that. They're just like, oh well, let's just fix how you feel, like how do you want to feel and what do you want to be doing in life? Let's focus on that. We don't really care about the label. So kind of based on that, I'm just changed the name of the stove show from bipolar style to just emotions, like John Emotions. So that's actually what brings us to today, which is super cool. One of my favorite podcasts I've ever done in my entire history of podcasting is this one. So this is the first one that both of my sons are actually here in the studio. They are taking part part of Project Louisiana with me and if you've been listening to the show for a while, you know I've been kind of a vagabond, drifting from interesting project one to the next. And so we're starting a mood garden and it's going to be for people with mood and memory disorders. Should be awesome. So my sons are here with me and it turns out they're into shit like this, to podcasting and whatnot. So I guess in a way, if I were John Emotions, these two I'm about to introduce would be nick emotions and Jack Emotions. It's the emotions this. So what's up to it? It's great to have you and thanks for partaking. I think the listener will enjoy here and multilayered family approach to podcasting. So Nick and Jack and I were over at the local like hamburger diner place called rocket drive in, rocket drive through and getting some Burgers, some shakes and whatnot, and there were some otherwise normal looking folks in front of us right jeans and t shirts, straight up could until they're from the country. Let's they open their mouths. Yeah, and apparently we're doing it kind of right because they look at us like yell from around here, you know what's good, like asking is what's good on the menu, and straight I mean we just kind of like go for the burghers and shakes anywhere. So we're like, Oh, no, we're from California, you are stanish. I know right. And you had little Chit Chat with the Fellas and it was like kind of father...

...and son looking crew, or maybe just taller guys and shorter guys or something, but they were, you know, getting their food ahead of us. But yeah, the way for a minute. So you kind of stuck there in small chat and small talk hit chat and one thing led to the next. Then they're saying, what do y'all doing tonight? And we had considered going to a theater down the street to a stand up comic, but instead they said, well, we're going to the RODEO. Like fuck, so Rodeo. So the first night nick and Jack got here, we straight up went down to the Rodeo, the Jannings Rodeo, part of the Cajun Rodeo series, and hole shit, it was something else which think of that. I was more like it was more than it was more funny to me, but I feel like people would get hot, getting mad because of like guess like it's like tortured animals and stuff, but it's like yeah, but it's just funny that they get into that kind of thing. It's just funny, like, I don't know, funny as the right word. Maybe. Yeah, I thought it was funny for sure, especially the part where I was pretty sure it was both animal abuse and child abuse. Head Shit was funny where I because they had this thing where, okay, if they have normal cowboy shit, where it's like a guy on a horse chasing a little baby cow and they rope it by the neck, jump off the horse, jump down, throw the cow on its back and rope up three of its legs so it can't get up for like thirty seconds or something. I couldn't remember, sixteen or sixty, whatever it was. Anyway, the that's normal. And then they had the other part where the fucking guy, like a cowboys, just jump out of the shoot with the medium sized cow that kind of has horns and they got to wrestle that to the ground. That was cool. And then they had something that was amazing that I don't think I'd ever seen at a Rodeo in California, and that is well, they put little kids on the backs of sheep and let the sheep run out of the shoe like a Goddamn Bull. So that was amazing. And they had like some older kids, you know, but mostly it was little kids and some of them were wearing helmets, other ones that should have been had helmets on did not. And the one thing that just struck me his nuts was there is a little baby strapped to like a backboard, like you'd put a injured patient from the street into an ambulance on something like that. A little baby version up, the baby strapped to its head and they're haild on my fucking handle. If this they fucking just the clown ran with this poor baby bounce along the back of a sheep and I was just straps of a fucking of a parachute without the parashuet's like a big ass harness. There's like a gym bag handle or totally that. That was maniacal. I'm like, Yep, that's...

...pretty much like. Well, I was like that's definitely child abuse and that's, Hmm, animal abuse, like what? But then I'm like, well, they must be doing this for generations, and that because the people just hop right on top of a horse like it. Oh, I'm fifteen. Yeah, hopping on top of a horse sounds fine. You Get up there, it's hell scary. But Man, if you've been jumping on since the infancy, jumping on the backs of things and trying to ride them, I guess being a cowboy pretty easy. It's like the transition the manhood. It's like they they're King Sinheria. Yeah, at whatever age that that one thing was not even a year old on the back of that sheep. That was nuts and bottle around, probably well plus end. Like the listeners to the show know that I'm like apeist. It was super, super religiously, they'd like. At one point we felt like we were in a vice documentary where it's like you expect some crazy shit to happen. It felt kind of cult like, and I don't know if you've ever taken acid, but when you take acid you like everything is so predictable, every people and the way they act, because you just hyper aware of Shit, and we are pretty big. So fucking people were coming up in the in the stands and I think everybody knew each other and by that standard I think we stood out because I saw people like moms and shit standing at the base of the stairs is kind of looking up like who they knew? So who could they wave to? Because they got blessed America and that fucking alarm. So yeah, it felt kind of weird in that sense. And Yeah, it's pretty enjoyable though. I do it. Yeah, that's there on the first day to the most surreal and a thing you can think of. Yeah, and they kept like waving the flag and like well, give a big round off of flaws for your Louisiana cowboys. It's like, but they got football here too. It is weird. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Wonder what's bigger, like what's I don't know. I bet it split too, because you kind of have to pick one, don't you think? Or could you have time to do too? I don't know. I don't know if the seasons overlap or not. I think fuck the far or the Rodeo. Shit's probably more family brought down, I feel like, more than the football. It's probably just see some online. Yeah, because you, and if you do Rodeo, Kinda have to have access to horses. Yeah, either through a way a farm, at the family farm and should yeah, like either through property or through just money to ransom whatever. Yeah, that's so that was pretty interesting. And there's IT's Mardi gras time too, so we'll probably find some cool Mardi gras place to go to and check out that weirdness. So there's a topic I was going to have on the PODCASTS and it's great here because now you guys can help me Hash it out. So okay, so you know how everything gets binary and hashed out to either or black or white, red state, Blue State, Republican Democrat, I mean fucking up down night...

...and day, ones and Zeros. It's all two choices. But it seems so artificial, like we live. We live in a great spectrum. So why are we just getting down? There is all the gray space in between the yeah, and I think in that space is color, to you know what I mean, like that's where all the powers in there for sure. And why do people act and think the way they do? And I started thinking because I'm hyper right. I always want to get out and fucking do things, like how can people want to just sit? And then I also realize I have this knee jerk reaction against holidays, and I'm like why is that? I'm like, holidays never hated on me or hurt my feelings or anything. And then I realized the older I get, the less I like them. The reason, I think, comes down to these two concepts. One's called NEOPHOBIA and the other is neophilia. So neophobia, neo means new, and phobia means fear. So neophobia is fear, fear of the new. And then Neophilia is basically a passion for novelty, like a craving love of novelty, things, of love of the new, so to speak. But what is in that sense? The new researchers are saying it's novelty, it's things you have not experienced. Yeah, so, like God, that's it, because as a person with like Adhd, I'm always craving the novelty. I got to have new. I'm even in school when I was a kid, I'm like, why are we learning about stuff already people already know you know, I mean like if they already know it and they already wrote a book about it, why are we? Why are we studying it? Who Cares? Like, can we go learn new shit? And even like an as adult, I'm spas. I'm always like, can we move on to the next idea? Can't we come on? This next thing is gone. So like God, that that's bothersome and it's also the tradition, but it's so. I looked into it, man, and that's like part of the political divide is conservatives, traditional conservatives. They really just want to maintain the status quot same old thing. You know, have offices, beoffice workers, the man and his place, the woman in her place, you know, shopping malls, pay your taxes, get a fat refund, going a little vacation by a house college student. Yeah, all that as worker. Yeah, the whole it's super cliche. There's just a model, but the models not very effective nowadays and modern times. So I think it's important that which explored different ways of thinking about so the one idea is like, AH, well, some of us are spazzy, some of us do like tradition. What it can't. What came down to is like people who like tradition aren't evil inherently. I just now. Now, I just see it as like the hallmark holidays. Every every holidays a hallmark holiday. It seems like, you know, so created like crafted purposefully for capitalism, for commercial griefs, or just gain over in costume, Halloween decor like, who needs Halloween...

...decorations? Or are in yeah, no, for sure. Let and Christmas decorated. Who needs Thanksgiving decorations? I thought it'd AH. Of these are the questions outs of yeah, well, for sure, and that's, I think, the read that that is why people who crave tradition and things not changing, those are the people. But to us, we think so. We think so. Those are the Fobes, the NEOPHOBES. They are like no, that's not it's traditional, we have to do this this way, this is the Turkey, this is the way we've always done things. Then that's kind of a popular catch phrase with Neophobes, like that's the way we've always done it. But I think in what's really interesting was I found out that some tribes, some cultures and civilizations are more neophiliacs, more neophilic, I guess it would be the word. They're more into the new, craving things because they've had no homeland. They've been pushed around the earth through either slavery or dispores, just be pushed out of their homeland. So I wonder in some ways if us being so connected to the chickasaw tribe, that those people would just continually push so and their DNA. It starts to become beneficial to adapt to the new. So now we're like wired to like, yeah, we like new shit. That's how we thrive, right, we thrive for that, and others they benefit from staying still. So that's why I'm like, Oh, it's not really a political argument. We've just two different types of people, two types of brain thinking. Yeah, and I think the world needs both Neophilias and neo folks, because tradition is fine. It adds stability to the structure of humanity, kind of. But without neophiliacs craving new shit all the time, there would be no new inventions. We wouldn't have gone to the moon. Will strive to new yeah, because I used to think man striving seems like it's a crime. But why? Why does it feel that way? And it's because the stuff they have to use for the new inventions. Yeah, because you kind of do have to adapt and live with modernists to like achieve in modern times. I guess is that was just saying that just I mean all the resources that you need. Yeah, that's true, for sure, just getting used to so many new, different types of new things, like the new advances, and well, yeah, and we're going to like, not really, but the spurlock where they're like, Oh, you need to you the on your new contract. We're going to force you to upgrade for a little tiny fan, all right, for a new fan when you don't need and shit like that. That's Oh yeah, they locked you into perpetual updates. Yeah, whether it's hardware or software, and it's almost that way with humans. But again, then I'm like that doesn't work on people who don't want to change. So I'm like, Oh, we need to rethink society in general and just acknowledge that there are some people who crave change and should be allowed to be strivers, left alone...

...to strive at all costs, and then other people who like tradition should be able to celebrate those traditions without getting in fights with each other about politics or who they're going to vote for. WHO gives a fuck who people going to vote for? Just vote for your person, but don't vote for a person because you need to make your opinion known. It's like they give you the option that it's the whole purposes to go into a silent little room and keep it private. Why do you have the voice her? You will like. It's why I have to be so predicted, predictable to know you're going to vote for. Yeah, totally Hashtag. Shut up and vote. That's first first things first. Shut up. Yes, a second thing, vote. Shut up and vote in that order, please. But again, that's me. I'm like, that's the new way of doing things, just shut up and vote. But I'm like, wait, I'm actually a traditionalist. That's the way we used to you never talked about who you're going to vote for. It was a secret. It was like it's private, like I'm not telling you. And but there was also pre Internet. Now everybody wants to discuss the INS and out of every fucking character flaw of everybody running for office, and nobody's perfect enough. And meanwhile one sides like, well, we just put a clown in and they're like okay, director. So it's so weird and they call that conservative. So those are the traditionalist those are the NEOPHOBES. That's what it like. Oh, New People, now we don't want to know Mexicans are. They're new. We I mean we're afraid of the outsiders. That's a Neophobe, somebody who's afraid of the outsider. That fear of the outsider is really a fear of the new. So what he calls xenophobics, they're really neophobes at heart. They're afraid of anything new. So we're kind of threatening their existence by all this progress, like hey, we're going to let transgender people just be normal, and they're like what, that's insane. But you know, it's just a matter of our brains, like neophiliax were like progress, N, cool, interesting, weird, go for it, that's awesome. Do that. And meanwhile half the folks were like what we gotten? Did like like the Vince Neil he keep on rock and shove the double and been do. We'll just fucking if you hit them with the facts, they'll just lock up. I know, I don't know to do well, especially if the facts are counter to what they've been programmed to think is real, because they could people. Most people could acknowledge facts when you show them the facts. Like look, the sun rises in the east and goes across the West, and here's a compass that shows you that's east and that's Wester, like, nope, what I was time flat. It's rises in the bottom and goes to the top. Your your phraseology is all wrong. Yeah, like Vince said, bird dude this. So I think. I think mostly our families all about neophilia. Neophiliacs. Yeah, we're like love the new, the novelty at all costs, although like your grandma's my mom and your mom's mom, they're kind of traditionalist. They like having their little parties on Easter or Christmas, earls or Helen. Neo phobic.

They just like that. They're like now, that's just just the way we think, that's no need to change blood and that's way we do it. Or had see my dad, my dad's and NEOPHILIAC, acrophobic, somewhere in between. Ike's kind of balanced in that realm. Well, when we talk to him, he use you try to make it seem like he knew his place in the world. He's like, I know, I'm just a retired old man that just said has it kind of good and old folks home and I kind of just get the mope around smoke pot watch that shows that sounds like some shit you'd say straight you just see him walking around his old folks home all day every day, rest turned towards like forward. Yeah, like this. It's like an off blue aged pole, not a polo, but an you know, the opened up button, sure, with his chest hair coming out like a golf shirt. Oh Yeah, same pipe to that old woody'll have that till this casket. My Dad's an old hippie from California and he smokes out of a wood pipe. Yeah, there's technology nowadays that he has. He tried the volcano bag, I think maybe once they's not. But how can you guys do that Shit? Resisting change? That's just yeah, I get no, seriously, probably is really speaking of volcano bag. Yeah, was one calling your dame over there. Yeah, we'll hook that up in just a second because, you know what, the bag is way too crispy on the mic's I think Jack is on volcano duty. Maybe is on the pick up from over here. Maybe, I don't know. We've gotten long enough. I think you know, because if it goes more than twenty two minutes, the listenership just drops to the bottom. That's right, I get Meta, those monetizations, monetization, monetization, Monterail. We need just healthy thoughts, that's it, healthy thoughts. So anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts about neophobia versus Neophilia, and maybe next time I'll will fill. I'll feel listen like I'm being interviewed. It's the first time he's ever been on a podcast Mike live like this. Don't really know how to think, because it's not actually like because you're it seems like are talking to an audience. Yeah, I know what I'm sitting here just looking at you and listen to what you're saying. And when Jack, I just feel like we're in the room together having a conversation. Yeah, that's Yep, you got to jump in for sure, because it's like, well, I know what the listener expects to hear, so there's like a consistency thing either way. But they also know I have kids. So you talking and just jumping...

...in whatever, because I always break the fourth wall. Anyway. I talk about using podcast and fucking hey, listen to my new sound effects I made and shit like that, and then you make it kind of nasal. Yes, so that's part of the thing. So what we're doing is starting some gardening stuff, because all of us kind of want to get into gardening, but nick wants to get into voiceover work, so he and I are going to like scan through Joshua Gordon Levitt's hit recordcom or dot org or whatever start doing some voiceover stuff. Should be fine. I dig it, and Jack's going to plant a garden and kick somebody's ass in a video game. We're going to film it shortly. So anyway, yeah, thanks, are pretty cool and I'm glad you listen. So anything you want to share with this person here and with us, shall the devil keep on rocking and the Blue Shit. That's funny. Now we'll just find an outro that suits this show and know we'll be done. Don't feels. Don't really feel. Feels to feel. He's so stupid. And now back to the wall.

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