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Episode · 6 months ago

Reality Check for Artists Entering New Places


John talks about the odds of making it as an artist, what to expect, and who to beware of in the NFT space on Twitter

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Welcome back to live from EMO Dojo. I'm John and here's the theme song. So, as you noticed, I took the ads off. It was ridiculous, you know it was. I think I explain last time. Sounder FM, my hosting company, implemented this new thing where your podcast was now going to be monetized by default unless you turned it off. It was easier to connect the stripe accounts, the bank account than it was to turn off the monetization at first. And then I listened to it and I'm like that's horrible, because all these big corporate companies and the like. Well, maybe it'll pay for something. But then I looked at how many ads were listened to. Hundreds of people were interrupted, their day was wasted at some point by an ad, and it equaled like forty two cents. I'm like, that's stupid, that's embarrassing and sounders should be ashamed of themselves. Artists make lots of money now, and Podcasters, I think, our artist. So interrupting people for forty two cents, to interrupt hundreds of people's listening, that's a ridiculous so just turn them off. You probably. I think they come off automatically. So they're no longer on any of the episodes either, which is awesome. Not Going to do the ADS, although if you want me to promote something, fuck I'm happy to promote whatever you're working on. You can even send me an ad. I'll read your ad because you're like you know where, you're a human and if you reach out I'll do this. But now the corporate thing, just playing random ads based on where you live or whatever fucking data they gathered on you. Kind of thing you don't want to play. So I've got another cool artist coming up on this weekend. Marcy is a appears to be a painter. Not sure if it's digital. I'm almost certain it's real life painting. Probably looks like watercolor to me. We'll get more information, obviously, from Marcy when we talk. That'll be great. And then I've got another fella name. I think his name is Doug. I'll check. I'll let you know next week for sure. And he's a photographer out of Georgia that takes some Rad photos. So I know talking about art is one thing, but we are talking. We're not having a video conference so that when I talk to these artists we will have the best kind of audio conversation possible and I'll get them to describe their art in meaningful ways so that you, a listener, can going to get what they're trying to convey with their visual art. Cool, cool, I think. If you've heard on previous episodes a talk about this thing called Neophilia, there's...

...a neophilia and Neophobia, neo obviously meaning new, phobia meaning fear, and Philia meaning love. Right. So if you have neophilia, you have love of the new. If you have neo phobia, and means you don't like new Shit, you won't like the stick to tradition. Well, I have neophilia pretty bad and that just means I'm always on the quest for new things. So that's kind of what led me to the NFTE, the hype that's happening right now. I'm sure you're sick of hearing from it if you're not into it, but I'll just explain how and why I got to that point and the kind of the pit palls of some of the things, and also just a reality check on success. Right. So nfts as a thing had been around for a couple of years. There just was no use for them unless you had like cryptocurrency and that just wasn't into cryptocurrency in a large part because I didn't have any money to buy into it when it was affordable. So I just wasn't on my radar, and I think a lot of you are probably the same way and maybe still don't have anything to do with it. Well, what a change was that some market places, will call them, that's what they call themselves, opened up, and basically a market place is like a website, like, if you're familiar with the old website like deviance art, something like that, where artists can just go put up their pictures or whatnot and try to sell them. Well, a big one called open sea came about and let everybody now, in a more organized way, sell their nft's, and then the crypto people had something to do with their crypto because even though cryptocurrency is highly valuable, it's the way of the future, all that sort of thing. But if the rest of the world isn't caught up and not that many places accepted as currency, what are you going to do while you're waiting for it to increase in value? Hey, buy some art. That's what the old school people with money sitting around did so why not use some of your new school money that's just sitting around to invest in some art to try to increase the value of your money while it waits for it to naturally increase on its own? But then think about this, the people that did crypto and all that. So let's call it like the generation x, not boomers, but x people after that, right up to millennials. They grew up with games, Atari Nintendo, playstation xpots, et Cetera, and now all the online gaming. But that all started back, like generation x, when they were kids, when we were kids, and so they're used to the idea of things being a game. So with the nft rage, that's happening now. What's really happening in many of the test use cases are these profile pick projects. He's what I call PP project.

They they try. They call themselves PFP projects, but there's no fucking F word in profile pick, so they're pep. You're working out a PP project anyway. The whole purpose of them as gamified the purchase and collection, curation and anticipation of art. So that art is largely generated by computers and it doesn't have a lot of merit by traditional art standards. But that doesn't matter because they're just using it as the faces of things to trade, like trading cards or pokemon cards, and not to be little the trading of any of those things, especially trading profile picks, but that's kind of what they're doing. They're you know, they're signing value to a thing that you know other people don't care about at all, and that's totally fine. So, as an artist, you have to know this going in, because you are not a development team creating code and tenzero different profile picks and trying to figure out some quote unquote, utility for your artwork beyond art. Now, any artists will tell you that art is utility onto itself. The enjoyment that is the utility. If you're trying to do anything else with it, good for you, but then you're expanding beyond the meeting of art. Really you're moving from art to utility. I think that's the kind of the beauty of art. It doesn't need utility. In fact, when you add utility to art, doesn't make it Uber Art or more art or extreme art, it just it's still art by itself. In the utility can always be removed. Art Is Art. It needs no utility. So when you see profile pics and things like terms like Dev teams and utility and, quote unquote community, what they're all talking about is investors into their gamified investment scheme based on graphics. And again, that's probably not what you're into. It's not what I'm into. What I'm into is locking down the rights of anything I create so that in the future, if it becomes valuable, me or my offspring will get some of that value. That's pretty simple. But as an artist I have to realize like, okay, take music, for example. You can take youtube or music. There's an article that came out a couple of years ago that was pretty telling and it mentioned how spotify at the time had two million songs on its platform that had never been played at all. That means even the person that uploaded it, or the band that created the music, the artist that made the music, didn't even listen to it themselves. This leads to the nft thing. If you got artists out there scribbling out a piece the... you know it's junk, it's garbage, it's chaos. Of course you can call it are you can call a fucking pile of shit. Art literally a pile of Shit. You can call it art, but you know, what's the true value of people? Just if you're able to scribble something out without thought, day after day after day after day, what is the value in that? Is it valuable at all? I don't know. And if you know a million other people around the world are doing exactly the same thing, hmmm, is there now? Where's the value? Now you have to compete. Are you even clicking or liking your own stuff? Are you sharing your own stuff? Back to the spotify example, if you're not listening to Your Own Music that you upload or if you're not even you know, would you even hang your own art on your own wall, then? What are you doing there? You just like scribbling with crayons all day long. Sometimes I see art and pretty much looks like that. But you know, I'm entitled to my opinion and that's what I think about some of the Shit I see on the Internet, especially on twitter. Regarding NFTS. But if there's two million unplayed songs plus on spotify, imagine how many unseen pieces of art there are on open see like nft art. There's tons that people have never even seen. So it's not going to be easy to generate the kind of money you see people making in the quote unquote nft world right now. What it is? It's people with development teams that are already keyed into the crypto crowd to the people with the money could because they work together at previous jobs and things like that and just know each other from the space, as they call it. And there are a few individual artists that make one of one pieces, you know, individual pieces of art, like traditional artist, but in the digital realm. But these guys who are making the big money, they're they've been doing it for twenty years, so they're not new to digital art. They can make things that you and I cannot make. They are legendary in that respect. So does that mean we should not try NFTS? No, fuck no, get involved now, get into it. So one of the cooler things that I found about it is that to get an nft account you have to at least buy a little bit of Crypto, Fifty Bugs, hundred bucks whatever, put it on a wallet and learn all the steps. That's the cool thing. So I learned how to do crypto and now I have some and regardless of if my nft's ever sell, I don't know I don't care, but I'm going to keep putting them up there and promoting them because it's a fun hobby. But if, if they never sell, I'm going to just let that crypto sit in there until it goes up and up and up and up and up, and then, you know, if I need it, ten or fifteen years from now, and I would try to retire cool, I'll have some crypto I could turn to cash or if you even need to turn it to cash at that point, do you feel me? So there's no bad in learning new things, investing in Crypto for...

...a little bit, you know, if you got a few extra bucks, and I hear you. If you don't have any extra bucks, I know I've been there and I don't plan on going back, and this is one of the ways how I plan to stay out of that, you know, poverty. I guess, is to you know, invest in your trust, in yourself when you can and try to keep pushing it forward. But then, of course, in Crypto you also have to beware of the hype boys, the salesman and things like that. Effectively like the Tony Robbins of the world, the Gary v's of the world. These people are manipulating people's emotions, the taking psychological techniques that we science have known for a while, but just marketing and advertising. People have code of ethics and have not used them to hypnotize and brainwash people into multilevel marketing schemes. But there's new people that do this and they're out there cult of personality. By my thing, you'll be important as long as you keep buying into my thing. And, by the way, I'm keeping all the intellectual property. So you know, that's that's why use quote unquote quote marks around community when they all preach community, because it's really only it's fan club Shit. It's multilevel marketing, crowd like. As long as you're paying to be in the crowd and display it and promote it and maintain the hype and the positivity, then you're in. There's no room for individuality, which is kind of the keystone of a great artist. So I kind of sense, you know, disconnect. Their great art comes from individual perceptions of their own world. You know, brought forward after hours and years of trial and error, practice, critique, rints, wash, repeat over and over and again. You know, twenty, thirty, forty years and now you have, oh a genius cool, and that's the same way with digital art. The people that are true digital artists have been doing it for twenty years. The people that are playing money games with you know, playing cards and profile picks, those are development teams and Crypto people. So where do we fit in? Well, where we've always fit in. This is just a new way to put your stuff. Frankly, if you've been just posting on instagram or Pinter wrist or something like that, even facebook, still just post some of that up into an accounts that is on the blockchain so that all your stuff is protected. Hell, if you make memes, if you just make memes and their original, you can put those on the blockchain and sell those. They might not be worth much now, but they might be worth something a lot twenty years from now when people look back on like, oh, remember the original NFTA memes? It can happen. The more I think of this, the more I just keep thinking it's the same that it's always been. There's always hucksters and get rich quick people...

...out there hyping the thing that they're trying to sell and getting, you know, you to buy into it, thinking that you'll be them. But they're an individual. You can't copy somebody else's template your you. You have different resources. You started at a different time. Things are different now. The whole thing. You can have the same mindset and you could copy even the same steps of one of your gurus. It's not going to work out for you. You're not going to make it not that way. You going to make it by being yourself. And what are you going to make? Oh, you're going to become more of yourself, which that totally reminds me of some book I was reading, epicurious, something like that, maybe cast I can't remember, I don't know. It was read about the stoics and doesn't doesn't really matter which one this particular one was it, because it got right at me and the stoics were all about virtue, like just be virtuous, be quiet, keep to yourself, don't stir this shit. But one of the things was like don't talk so much about yourself, and I'm like fuck, that's that's all this show is is me talking too much about myself. I thought about that several weeks ago before I started hunting down guests, so I can, you know, share and talk more about them and then you'll hear another. You know, podcast, how to make better podcast kind of podcasts or article or something thing, and the whole thing is like no, be authentic, share about yourself. The Michael Fuck. To Be Successful you have to be not a virtuous person anymore. I'm confused. To talk more about myself, less talk with other people. I don't know, mix it up. The great thing is, though, I can do what I want. That's awesome. Just change tune in next week see what the fuck John's going to do. Oh and I am doing something new here. Check this out. All right. So update on the voice acting thing? Yep, I'm still doing that. Like I said, I think the last day updated. You have phone numbers of local talent agents who book voice actors for local commercials and corporate things. So I'm working towards that. It's a little slow now, so I'm going to kind of put that on the burner through the holidays here and pick it up in January. And the nonprofit thing, now here's an issue. I love the drums, the drum idea emo Dojo's great for that. Or do I do? I don't want to have time for to and I really want to play my drums and help others play drums and, you know, get the both the physical exercise and the mental therapy, for lack of a better word. I love that. But the other thing I think is important now as well are the poor people, trying to get them into NFT's when they don't have even a regular bank accounts. Well, I'm going to do a photo project right take street photos, which means photos...

...of people when they don't know their pictures being taken. They're out in public and stuff, so it's okay to take their picture. You have no reasonable right to privacy and public that's why there's surveillance cameras everywhere out there. The twist is I am going to let them know I did take their picture and let them know where it's going to be on my gallery and if they want a part of it, to hit me up in a little while and I'll put their picture up as an NFT, like a high end art and fte that you not high end photography like you'd see in a gallery, but of Gritty Street photography featuring individual people, and those people then have an opportunity to continually make royalties as the nft of their's cells. So in a weird way, it's kind of like those TV commercials where you could adopt a starving child in a foreign country or adopt a broken animal and America. Well, this would be like adopting poor person or anybody. Really doesn't even have to be a poor person. It could be a rich person that happened to take a picture of. The point is I want to be able to let anybody there to take a photo of in public profit from their photo alongside me, as the photo sits on the Internet as an NFTE forevermore. And the whole purpose of doing that would be so that they would have to if they want to get paid, would be to get, you know, Coin Base App, get a phone, get a bank accounts and then hook it up to a mask, I mean not to Meta masks, you like a different like a ledger or something, and except the royalties. So basically I'm going to have to come up with probably, I don't know, hundred bucks or so. I got to get in a bank account. Got To get the poor person a ledger, maybe not a hardware wallet, preferably. I'd like to teach them right from the beginning. Anyway. There's a lot of other logistics involved, like what if they lose their ledger. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. I mean, I don't know, but my intent is in the right place, so I think I can make it work. It is provocative, though. Could you know? People just say you can't take pictures of people like that? Well, for one, yes, I fucking can, because I'm just as a title to be outdoors as anybody else's and if I don't want my picture taken, I can go away. That's not the point. The point is I go to some places where people are in some pretty fucked up spots, just, you know, looking dead on the sidewalk and stuff. They don't need help, you know, but whatever doesn't bother me. I see it as an outsider looking in on humanity, as if a person from like another planet, alien from another planet, came down and just was on a tour of earth, much the same way we would be on the two were of a zoo. So that is called humans,...

...spelled H Oom l out you, Ama and S. it's a Humanscom and that could be a nonprofit as well, humans dot Org, and I get on board people, onto the metaverse. I don't know. I'm into your input because you're going to have to go on this journey with me, I'm not going to shut up about it or stop podcasting. So, if you think I should have a nonprofit for humans that on boards poor people into the metaverse and gets them hooked up with NFT's and cryptocurrency, or emo Doo Joe, which is a drum therapy clinic where people can come and beat on drums no pressure and get their Yah Yahs out, either one. They both sound fun to me. Let me know what you think is a cool one. So yeah, that's all I got for now. I knew I could fucking talk for like a half an hour without even thinking about it. So there you have it. Another podcast in the CAN. By John. Oh Yeah, my name is going to be for this art project, the humans one, my name is going to be June. It's the Jay Oom l out OH H N. You could find me at junecom. The magic of all these weird ooml out names is that, while I can register them, most people don't know how to type them on their fucking computer. So while I'll have like Humanscom on the back of my truck or something and people might try to type it in, but they won't figure it out. If they do figure it out, they'll actually get to the site. Cool, right. But yeah, I'm creating yet another character part of the Jay Lily project called June, and look for that. Yeah, I get bored easy. So anyway, check in next week. I appreciate you. This week I appreciate you all the time. Thanks for listening and making me feel like I'm not so alone in the world when I'm physically by myself. And next week I'll have a guest and the week after that I'll have a guest. So we'll have a fine artist this week coming up and the week after that a photographer. Awesome. If you want to be on the show and just have a chat, we can work it out. Whether you want to just call in on your cell phone, if you got the podcast set up in a mica or whatever. We'll do the best to make you shine and I love hearing from you. It doesn't matter how mentally ill you are or what type of art you do, let's talk about it. Cool, all right, I'm John and I appreciate you. And now back to the wall.

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