Live from Emo Dojo
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Reality Check for Artists Entering New Places


John talks about the odds of making it as an artist, what to expect, and who to beware of in the NFT space on Twitter

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Welcome back to live from EMO Dojo. I'm John and here's the theme song. So, as you noticed, Itook the ads off. It was ridiculous, you know it was.I think I explain last time. Sounder FM, my hosting company, implementedthis new thing where your podcast was now going to be monetized by default unlessyou turned it off. It was easier to connect the stripe accounts, thebank account than it was to turn off the monetization at first. And thenI listened to it and I'm like that's horrible, because all these big corporatecompanies and the like. Well, maybe it'll pay for something. But thenI looked at how many ads were listened to. Hundreds of people were interrupted, their day was wasted at some point by an ad, and it equaledlike forty two cents. I'm like, that's stupid, that's embarrassing and soundersshould be ashamed of themselves. Artists make lots of money now, and Podcasters, I think, our artist. So interrupting people for forty two cents,to interrupt hundreds of people's listening, that's a ridiculous so just turn them off. You probably. I think they come off automatically. So they're no longeron any of the episodes either, which is awesome. Not Going to dothe ADS, although if you want me to promote something, fuck I'm happyto promote whatever you're working on. You can even send me an ad.I'll read your ad because you're like you know where, you're a human andif you reach out I'll do this. But now the corporate thing, justplaying random ads based on where you live or whatever fucking data they gathered onyou. Kind of thing you don't want to play. So I've got anothercool artist coming up on this weekend. Marcy is a appears to be apainter. Not sure if it's digital. I'm almost certain it's real life painting. Probably looks like watercolor to me. We'll get more information, obviously,from Marcy when we talk. That'll be great. And then I've got anotherfella name. I think his name is Doug. I'll check. I'll letyou know next week for sure. And he's a photographer out of Georgia thattakes some Rad photos. So I know talking about art is one thing,but we are talking. We're not having a video conference so that when Italk to these artists we will have the best kind of audio conversation possible andI'll get them to describe their art in meaningful ways so that you, alistener, can going to get what they're trying to convey with their visual art. Cool, cool, I think. If you've heard on previous episodes atalk about this thing called Neophilia, there's...

...a neophilia and Neophobia, neo obviouslymeaning new, phobia meaning fear, and Philia meaning love. Right. Soif you have neophilia, you have love of the new. If you haveneo phobia, and means you don't like new Shit, you won't like thestick to tradition. Well, I have neophilia pretty bad and that just meansI'm always on the quest for new things. So that's kind of what led meto the NFTE, the hype that's happening right now. I'm sure you'resick of hearing from it if you're not into it, but I'll just explainhow and why I got to that point and the kind of the pit pallsof some of the things, and also just a reality check on success.Right. So nfts as a thing had been around for a couple of years. There just was no use for them unless you had like cryptocurrency and thatjust wasn't into cryptocurrency in a large part because I didn't have any money tobuy into it when it was affordable. So I just wasn't on my radar, and I think a lot of you are probably the same way and maybestill don't have anything to do with it. Well, what a change was thatsome market places, will call them, that's what they call themselves, openedup, and basically a market place is like a website, like,if you're familiar with the old website like deviance art, something like that,where artists can just go put up their pictures or whatnot and try to sellthem. Well, a big one called open sea came about and let everybodynow, in a more organized way, sell their nft's, and then thecrypto people had something to do with their crypto because even though cryptocurrency is highlyvaluable, it's the way of the future, all that sort of thing. Butif the rest of the world isn't caught up and not that many placesaccepted as currency, what are you going to do while you're waiting for itto increase in value? Hey, buy some art. That's what the oldschool people with money sitting around did so why not use some of your newschool money that's just sitting around to invest in some art to try to increasethe value of your money while it waits for it to naturally increase on itsown? But then think about this, the people that did crypto and allthat. So let's call it like the generation x, not boomers, butx people after that, right up to millennials. They grew up with games, Atari Nintendo, playstation xpots, et Cetera, and now all the onlinegaming. But that all started back, like generation x, when they werekids, when we were kids, and so they're used to the idea ofthings being a game. So with the nft rage, that's happening now.What's really happening in many of the test use cases are these profile pick projects. He's what I call PP project.

They they try. They call themselvesPFP projects, but there's no fucking F word in profile pick, so they'repep. You're working out a PP project anyway. The whole purpose of themas gamified the purchase and collection, curation and anticipation of art. So thatart is largely generated by computers and it doesn't have a lot of merit bytraditional art standards. But that doesn't matter because they're just using it as thefaces of things to trade, like trading cards or pokemon cards, and notto be little the trading of any of those things, especially trading profile picks, but that's kind of what they're doing. They're you know, they're signing valueto a thing that you know other people don't care about at all,and that's totally fine. So, as an artist, you have to knowthis going in, because you are not a development team creating code and tenzerodifferent profile picks and trying to figure out some quote unquote, utility for yourartwork beyond art. Now, any artists will tell you that art is utilityonto itself. The enjoyment that is the utility. If you're trying to doanything else with it, good for you, but then you're expanding beyond the meetingof art. Really you're moving from art to utility. I think that'sthe kind of the beauty of art. It doesn't need utility. In fact, when you add utility to art, doesn't make it Uber Art or moreart or extreme art, it just it's still art by itself. In theutility can always be removed. Art Is Art. It needs no utility.So when you see profile pics and things like terms like Dev teams and utilityand, quote unquote community, what they're all talking about is investors into theirgamified investment scheme based on graphics. And again, that's probably not what you'reinto. It's not what I'm into. What I'm into is locking down therights of anything I create so that in the future, if it becomes valuable, me or my offspring will get some of that value. That's pretty simple. But as an artist I have to realize like, okay, take music, for example. You can take youtube or music. There's an article thatcame out a couple of years ago that was pretty telling and it mentioned howspotify at the time had two million songs on its platform that had never beenplayed at all. That means even the person that uploaded it, or theband that created the music, the artist that made the music, didn't evenlisten to it themselves. This leads to the nft thing. If you gotartists out there scribbling out a piece the... you know it's junk, it'sgarbage, it's chaos. Of course you can call it are you can calla fucking pile of shit. Art literally a pile of Shit. You cancall it art, but you know, what's the true value of people?Just if you're able to scribble something out without thought, day after day afterday after day, what is the value in that? Is it valuable atall? I don't know. And if you know a million other people aroundthe world are doing exactly the same thing, hmmm, is there now? Where'sthe value? Now you have to compete. Are you even clicking orliking your own stuff? Are you sharing your own stuff? Back to thespotify example, if you're not listening to Your Own Music that you upload orif you're not even you know, would you even hang your own art onyour own wall, then? What are you doing there? You just likescribbling with crayons all day long. Sometimes I see art and pretty much lookslike that. But you know, I'm entitled to my opinion and that's whatI think about some of the Shit I see on the Internet, especially ontwitter. Regarding NFTS. But if there's two million unplayed songs plus on spotify, imagine how many unseen pieces of art there are on open see like nftart. There's tons that people have never even seen. So it's not goingto be easy to generate the kind of money you see people making in thequote unquote nft world right now. What it is? It's people with developmentteams that are already keyed into the crypto crowd to the people with the moneycould because they work together at previous jobs and things like that and just knoweach other from the space, as they call it. And there are afew individual artists that make one of one pieces, you know, individual piecesof art, like traditional artist, but in the digital realm. But theseguys who are making the big money, they're they've been doing it for twentyyears, so they're not new to digital art. They can make things thatyou and I cannot make. They are legendary in that respect. So doesthat mean we should not try NFTS? No, fuck no, get involvednow, get into it. So one of the cooler things that I foundabout it is that to get an nft account you have to at least buya little bit of Crypto, Fifty Bugs, hundred bucks whatever, put it ona wallet and learn all the steps. That's the cool thing. So Ilearned how to do crypto and now I have some and regardless of ifmy nft's ever sell, I don't know I don't care, but I'm goingto keep putting them up there and promoting them because it's a fun hobby.But if, if they never sell, I'm going to just let that cryptosit in there until it goes up and up and up and up and up, and then, you know, if I need it, ten or fifteenyears from now, and I would try to retire cool, I'll have somecrypto I could turn to cash or if you even need to turn it tocash at that point, do you feel me? So there's no bad inlearning new things, investing in Crypto for...

...a little bit, you know,if you got a few extra bucks, and I hear you. If youdon't have any extra bucks, I know I've been there and I don't planon going back, and this is one of the ways how I plan tostay out of that, you know, poverty. I guess, is toyou know, invest in your trust, in yourself when you can and tryto keep pushing it forward. But then, of course, in Crypto you alsohave to beware of the hype boys, the salesman and things like that.Effectively like the Tony Robbins of the world, the Gary v's of theworld. These people are manipulating people's emotions, the taking psychological techniques that we sciencehave known for a while, but just marketing and advertising. People havecode of ethics and have not used them to hypnotize and brainwash people into multilevelmarketing schemes. But there's new people that do this and they're out there cultof personality. By my thing, you'll be important as long as you keepbuying into my thing. And, by the way, I'm keeping all theintellectual property. So you know, that's that's why use quote unquote quote marksaround community when they all preach community, because it's really only it's fan clubShit. It's multilevel marketing, crowd like. As long as you're paying to bein the crowd and display it and promote it and maintain the hype andthe positivity, then you're in. There's no room for individuality, which iskind of the keystone of a great artist. So I kind of sense, youknow, disconnect. Their great art comes from individual perceptions of their ownworld. You know, brought forward after hours and years of trial and error, practice, critique, rints, wash, repeat over and over and again.You know, twenty, thirty, forty years and now you have,oh a genius cool, and that's the same way with digital art. Thepeople that are true digital artists have been doing it for twenty years. Thepeople that are playing money games with you know, playing cards and profile picks, those are development teams and Crypto people. So where do we fit in?Well, where we've always fit in. This is just a new way toput your stuff. Frankly, if you've been just posting on instagram orPinter wrist or something like that, even facebook, still just post some ofthat up into an accounts that is on the blockchain so that all your stuffis protected. Hell, if you make memes, if you just make memesand their original, you can put those on the blockchain and sell those.They might not be worth much now, but they might be worth something alot twenty years from now when people look back on like, oh, rememberthe original NFTA memes? It can happen. The more I think of this,the more I just keep thinking it's the same that it's always been.There's always hucksters and get rich quick people...

...out there hyping the thing that they'retrying to sell and getting, you know, you to buy into it, thinkingthat you'll be them. But they're an individual. You can't copy somebodyelse's template your you. You have different resources. You started at a differenttime. Things are different now. The whole thing. You can have thesame mindset and you could copy even the same steps of one of your gurus. It's not going to work out for you. You're not going to makeit not that way. You going to make it by being yourself. Andwhat are you going to make? Oh, you're going to become more of yourself, which that totally reminds me of some book I was reading, epicurious, something like that, maybe cast I can't remember, I don't know.It was read about the stoics and doesn't doesn't really matter which one this particularone was it, because it got right at me and the stoics were allabout virtue, like just be virtuous, be quiet, keep to yourself,don't stir this shit. But one of the things was like don't talk somuch about yourself, and I'm like fuck, that's that's all this show is isme talking too much about myself. I thought about that several weeks agobefore I started hunting down guests, so I can, you know, shareand talk more about them and then you'll hear another. You know, podcast, how to make better podcast kind of podcasts or article or something thing,and the whole thing is like no, be authentic, share about yourself.The Michael Fuck. To Be Successful you have to be not a virtuous personanymore. I'm confused. To talk more about myself, less talk with otherpeople. I don't know, mix it up. The great thing is,though, I can do what I want. That's awesome. Just change tune innext week see what the fuck John's going to do. Oh and Iam doing something new here. Check this out. All right. So updateon the voice acting thing? Yep, I'm still doing that. Like Isaid, I think the last day updated. You have phone numbers of local talentagents who book voice actors for local commercials and corporate things. So I'mworking towards that. It's a little slow now, so I'm going to kindof put that on the burner through the holidays here and pick it up inJanuary. And the nonprofit thing, now here's an issue. I love thedrums, the drum idea emo Dojo's great for that. Or do I do? I don't want to have time for to and I really want to playmy drums and help others play drums and, you know, get the both thephysical exercise and the mental therapy, for lack of a better word.I love that. But the other thing I think is important now as wellare the poor people, trying to get them into NFT's when they don't haveeven a regular bank accounts. Well, I'm going to do a photo projectright take street photos, which means photos...

...of people when they don't know theirpictures being taken. They're out in public and stuff, so it's okay totake their picture. You have no reasonable right to privacy and public that's whythere's surveillance cameras everywhere out there. The twist is I am going to letthem know I did take their picture and let them know where it's going tobe on my gallery and if they want a part of it, to hitme up in a little while and I'll put their picture up as an NFT, like a high end art and fte that you not high end photography likeyou'd see in a gallery, but of Gritty Street photography featuring individual people,and those people then have an opportunity to continually make royalties as the nft oftheir's cells. So in a weird way, it's kind of like those TV commercialswhere you could adopt a starving child in a foreign country or adopt abroken animal and America. Well, this would be like adopting poor person oranybody. Really doesn't even have to be a poor person. It could bea rich person that happened to take a picture of. The point is Iwant to be able to let anybody there to take a photo of in publicprofit from their photo alongside me, as the photo sits on the Internet asan NFTE forevermore. And the whole purpose of doing that would be so thatthey would have to if they want to get paid, would be to get, you know, Coin Base App, get a phone, get a bankaccounts and then hook it up to a mask, I mean not to Metamasks, you like a different like a ledger or something, and except theroyalties. So basically I'm going to have to come up with probably, Idon't know, hundred bucks or so. I got to get in a bankaccount. Got To get the poor person a ledger, maybe not a hardwarewallet, preferably. I'd like to teach them right from the beginning. Anyway. There's a lot of other logistics involved, like what if they lose their ledger. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. I mean,I don't know, but my intent is in the right place, so Ithink I can make it work. It is provocative, though. Could youknow? People just say you can't take pictures of people like that? Well, for one, yes, I fucking can, because I'm just as atitle to be outdoors as anybody else's and if I don't want my picture taken, I can go away. That's not the point. The point is Igo to some places where people are in some pretty fucked up spots, just, you know, looking dead on the sidewalk and stuff. They don't needhelp, you know, but whatever doesn't bother me. I see it asan outsider looking in on humanity, as if a person from like another planet, alien from another planet, came down and just was on a tour ofearth, much the same way we would be on the two were of azoo. So that is called humans,...

...spelled H Oom l out you,Ama and S. it's a Humanscom and that could be a nonprofit as well, humans dot Org, and I get on board people, onto the metaverse. I don't know. I'm into your input because you're going to have togo on this journey with me, I'm not going to shut up about itor stop podcasting. So, if you think I should have a nonprofit forhumans that on boards poor people into the metaverse and gets them hooked up withNFT's and cryptocurrency, or emo Doo Joe, which is a drum therapy clinic wherepeople can come and beat on drums no pressure and get their Yah Yahsout, either one. They both sound fun to me. Let me knowwhat you think is a cool one. So yeah, that's all I gotfor now. I knew I could fucking talk for like a half an hourwithout even thinking about it. So there you have it. Another podcast inthe CAN. By John. Oh Yeah, my name is going to be forthis art project, the humans one, my name is going to be June. It's the Jay Oom l out OH H N. You could findme at junecom. The magic of all these weird ooml out names is that, while I can register them, most people don't know how to type themon their fucking computer. So while I'll have like Humanscom on the back ofmy truck or something and people might try to type it in, but theywon't figure it out. If they do figure it out, they'll actually getto the site. Cool, right. But yeah, I'm creating yet anothercharacter part of the Jay Lily project called June, and look for that.Yeah, I get bored easy. So anyway, check in next week.I appreciate you. This week I appreciate you all the time. Thanks forlistening and making me feel like I'm not so alone in the world when I'mphysically by myself. And next week I'll have a guest and the week afterthat I'll have a guest. So we'll have a fine artist this week comingup and the week after that a photographer. Awesome. If you want to beon the show and just have a chat, we can work it out. Whether you want to just call in on your cell phone, if yougot the podcast set up in a mica or whatever. We'll do the bestto make you shine and I love hearing from you. It doesn't matter howmentally ill you are or what type of art you do, let's talk aboutit. Cool, all right, I'm John and I appreciate you. Andnow back to the wall.

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