Live from Emo Dojo
Live from Emo Dojo

Episode · 4 years ago

Rebranding "bipolar" one podcast at a time.


John and Fiona talk about building a better podcast for bipolar people, including the factors involved in selecting a platform for the social media activities. John wonders how to reach more women and people of color struggling with mental health issues and shares his story about missing the DBSA picnic by 50 feet due to social anxiety.

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Welcome back to by polar style, thepodcast for vy polar people and those who love them Joi as online F, Ipolarstylecom and now his youro Johnny motion, Hey thanks jewels and thank you fortuning in Towih, the bipolish style podcast. I'm your host, Johnny motionslike she said, and this episode is cool. This is the first time I get tointerview somebody testing out the audio. I had one of my closest friendsfrom Louisiana call in and we're going to have a conversation if this firstconversation is a lot about how we're building the PODCAST and establishingsocial media channels- and things like that, so I hope you enjoy it and I'mglad she is a woman because it gives the audio a little more contrast, and Ilook forward to having more guests in the future. So I think Youe probablylike this one one of the best episodes so far so enjoy and follow US along onthe internets twitter, at Bipolar Style and on the web. BYA polar style, com,cool, take a listen, it's recording, okay, it's recording, and I don't edit. The only thing Iaddit is yes, you do. I edit out that when I go because it's super loud and when Iwatch it go by in the edit ind software is, is a giant peak that covers thewhole spectrum. IHAVE. Never even noticed you doing that, because I adthat out, I don't eit anything Os. I cut out a big, oh yeah, because in reallife, it' ust not there like a chipmunk so fiona it is that's okay like fromsthrek as't, she, the princess and an odor. At the end, she turned outto be an ogre proncess, that's cool, and it's alsosimilar tothe name of your cat. Fulon Zonie fell on so yeah yeah, okay cool, so I will start and wll sowe'll assume the music and the intro just happens, but actually might justjump in like and edit something and say: Hey. Okay, I was talking about BlahBlah Blah putting together podcast and my good friend Fiona decided that she'dcome on and talk to me about it on the air. So here's that phone conversation.It might be something like that. You know I might have like a set Ukay, soit doesn't matter whow. We start honestly CE, just faded, OUP and all ofa sudden we're talking. Okay, so hey! What's up Fiona hatty thanks for taking my call w yourself welcome here's my thought soFiona isn't isn't feeing his real name either. It's like you know the stigmais real, but we just want private lives, but here's the thing I think morepodcast like these need female voices and people of colors voices, especiallythat, because I noticed in most of the online mental health warrior typepeople hashtags, there's unless 'm, just not looking in the right places. Idon't see that many people of color compared to how many white people areout there shaking their flags. That's a really really good point. Ican think of a couple that I know that might be willing. OING on this is hathing we have to. You have to get a new twitter account for Fiona, so that hatpeople that hear your voice here will know that they can follow you, becausemaybe they don't want to follow a dude or dudes voice, but maybe they feelmore comfortable following a woman yeah, that's a good call I'll do that cool,so yeah people of Color and women. Probably I would imagine, have more stop me if I'm stereotyping, but theymight have more mental health issues just from the oppression of societythan a white man, but I'm not a doctor.

So I don't know about that. Semtim Eofball day oppress groups would be under morestress. So if you have an issue where you don't respond to stress well- and you also happen to be under morestress because you're amouncike e you're in a pressed class for sureright, cool an so I'm ally sort of Tacai- I guess a only talking out o boybut a little bit. It's good that Yo hear because I talk ut, my out of myass, a lot when I'm by myself fall alone. Talking to yourself yeah,because I get off on these rants, I make my little notes in my Google keepand I pull up my phone a'm like okay, I'm going to just talk about this oneand talk about this one, and then I then I'm out but I'll, get on thatfirst topic and then I'll trail off and I'll hit like down, though yeah IC. Youwant to talk about yeah because, like when I take the train to work orwhatever I have a few minutes to my head to myself and I'm like Oh yeah.That's that that's dwell. I've been dwelling on that. That should be anissue for a podcast, so yeah yeah, I tried to keep it organized, but makinga podcast is is a lot of work for regular folks, and sometimes I'm likedid I buy t off more than I can choew, but it's kind of fun, because I can'tget out to group all the time and I don't have a Therapiyo- do get to golike once a week or something I can but there's the anxiety bit. Oh here'ssomething we could talk about. This is funny because you would totally relatebecause you've probably experienced this with me, sometimes so. Last Sunday,I think it was Saturday or Sunday over at a park in San Francisco. The DBSA,the depression by Polar Support Alliance folks were putting on th the Ryouth group anyway we're putting on a picnic at Doloras Park, my God, that'sgoing to be fucking cool that'd be great. It's going to be a beautiful dayin the city, I'll go over the city and pick up what I need and go over thepark and just hang out with people that can relate sounds great right yeah. SoI get up there and of course it's the youth group. It's not my people, it'snot the people. I normally go to and theyall look cool and pretty sure thatthat's them right there with the blue and white balloons. Looking around like do. I recognizekind of recognize one person just enough to confirm but YEP, that's theDBSA group and then what kicks in the anxiety I was like. I don't know thesefucking people and like it's still a beautiful day in the park. So I endedup sitting about fifty feet away from everybody that didn't they didn't knowme and I didn't know them, but I kind of like Por periperly vicariouslyenjoyed the party just I sitting over here and it didn't look like theybrought a lot of food O or drinks or whatnot. The I had my own snacks withme, so I just kind of sat there and watch the okay there's some bipolarpeople and I'm a bipooer people and we're in a park and this kind of countsright. So I took a picture I haven't posted. I should put it up on fuckingtwitter, but I took a picture from my vange point. Like a stocker of likethere's the party, I told everybody I was going to I'm not actually there,but there it is. I made it this far, a d that you went though right I brokeout and I made it and I got as far as I could, but that social piece at the endwhere you have to like hi, I'm a new guy. How are you I can't fucking dothat today? Well- and you probably could have done it if you'd recognizemore people and if they'd been your age group, sometimes yeah, and sometimes iteven takes somebody to recognize me to say. Oh Hey John, come over Andan Ithatd right right, like a tractor rea. But if that doesn't happen, it kind of makeup every excuse not to him like hop New People, PA they don't even havechapters of it here so hard. You know, like I remember my my disgust andtrying to find one in La Proper and then I wanted to start and all that forsure yeah. They had like the one that I...

...did find was on Broadway in La with theroll of door straight to the sidewalk, and we were trying to have a group withliterally people walking three feet away down: downtown Broadway in La athat was thats. The Pasadena one was cool, but again it's like if there'snot a viable one in downtown La and you got to go all the way to Pasadina. Icould not imagine for someone in Schreeveport or let alone jannings someplace like that. An I mean- and you know thousands of other little citiesacross America, so I guess SOM for Peoria. What's Tha Illinois, one of those Ice Statesi yeah and thisweek sucked on top of it because of all the shooting I' Mus like a fuckingmachine, what yeah yeah so bad ye had to have help. I'm persuaded that he had to have help,help and didn't get help yeah, I'm sure it will turn out Therere, all theclassic sins metally ill. You don't think so. That begs the question, though, rightlike don' Ai Mo think he was radicalized in some way. That's that'sthe conspiracy going around on a lot of conservative talk, radio! That's thething I dont! Rather I'm in the bay area, because I'm a big, liberal, leftyprogressive anyway, but during work I get in the worktruck and I turn in farright talk radio to hear what theyr talking yeah, so they're, totallypushing conspiracy theories that he was ratt radicalized by Isis that I don'tknow about that kind of thing. I yeah yeahthere's a lot of talk that Heoabout Isis, but I also don't know like what else it could be well. You know meI'm the classic conspiracy theorist in that sense where I'm like. Well, Idon't see a video of that motherfucker shooting anything. I see a picture of aguy and I see a picture of some legs in a hotel room and I see guns- and I seeyou know fact fact fact, but at none of them add up to that's actually the guy.So in my mind, like, let's see the government put a guy in there to shoothim up, isis was up there with him. A D killed Im make sense sho. Why note ofit makes sense like that's not how any of this works really right. So Sad,yeah, just stay Hov't come up with a narrative that makes sense yet bad justbad anyway. So a lot of US woke up to that on Monday mornings, Liko Yeah,thatas, onef, Hemai, thes, hundreds of miles away t at was traumatic, and Ididn't know anybody at the concert. I've never heard of Jason Aldeanson,although for his name before yeah, but we were just there a few months ago,right like remember the punk rock bowling, what if somebody decided toshoot up a bunch of punk rockers, exactly that's the answer, fatherlooking for right there or Antifa, as they say, Antifa wit, the fuck. I knowhow do you actually say it well Ma if its I, if it's a Ki, if it's acondensing of antifascist, wouldn't be ANTIFA Antifiantifi a right. I is how Isay it exent. I know somebody who's like with them and they say ANTIFA. Wethey've been watching too much Fox News, then on know. Maybe they were just saying itthat way to jokinly say it I don't know, but it sounds just more like tea partyand Tiva yeah, it sounds like completely missingthe point and the whole thing is heres. Here's mytake on the ANTIFA in general is that people think it's a group like we mustshut them down like call up their ight theadcarters and demand their SanTebesid yeah. I'm like it's just a spontaneous reaction of normal peopleto fascism. THAT'S W! That's how I sand some of those normal people were smartenough to you know, bring face coverings right yeah because they gotthey got day. Jobs and Theyr, unffiliated voters, and they just seethe rise of fascism, is a bad thing. There was an article just recentlyabout how, even with your face mostly covered like even if they can only seeyour eyes they're soon going to be able to identify people- oh yeah, we weretalking about this yesterday, there's...

...gate technology that walks, how peoplethat detect, how powalkur and it's muscular and not muscular but skeletal,and you cannot chance the way skiler, literally like a lift or some crazyshit, and even then Ai Antell, artificial intelligence can detect thatyou probably did that because now you're the only goofball walking withthe goofy limp and it will sort those limpers out a first and recalculate. Soit is amazing and they say gate technology is more accurate than yourthumbprint. So well that, and they are finding people with that. Prance thatmatch people from two different parts of the world who are alive at the sametime, but who's Prince terlep is matching in the that's nuts right inthe future. I'm going to start walking like a door like money, python orsomething just missily, Walk D. I'm wondering how quickly how soon it's going to be before themakeup that right now I looks crazy with like white and black triangles onyour face that kind of stuff yeah. But how long do you think it takes beforethat becomes in, like that's a thing that just normal people just put ontheir makeup like that yeah yeah they'll be like Bandad type stickers?You know you just tempe and Alle Yeah, plus the the stick. The bandads of thefuture will have digital technology that will seep into your Pores D, Nat,O tech and that's going to be exciting to future.That's deep future. So, okay, Anyway Yeah Right, I can't wait. Fall apart inthe next ten years. True Elon Musk has a good hid on his shoulders. I likepeople, Li think like him. He was, he was getting m. He wasgetting into it with some cartoonist about the singularity and what not lastnightits, pretty funny. Oh really yeah good times so, okay, with the show,though, so all right. Here's where I'm stuck the podcasting part is prettyeasy, like you can tell we're, making a podcast right now and the sound soundsgood and you go over to Fiv and get a voice over artist for the front and myfriend Ray made some music. Should I stick with the same music or sayactually find music eventually, I want to pick one song and stick with it,because I believe in like the power, the power of a tone like the Intel,chan or stuff like that. Well, it's stuff like that has to be either likeyou said, the time from that or the Netflix Poompoo yeah or you knowsomething like like that, or it has to be an ar worm right right. I, like thesong of the short one yeah, that song that's playing right now on thisepisode is college Brazil, the theme from Brazil, it's like old class yeah.I love that one bea people wonder like what the FO oes that mean. What'sBrazil all about. So that's one of my all time, favorite scifiv movies, aboutdistopen RCH. I wonder how much it would hale to Licese that I don't knowf. We need to have, I guess I'll, find out if theye ver sometin send a Sesonto sis letter to me I'll find out one day than O so funny, but I don't knownot too concerned about it. Some people have whole podcast with like nothingbut unlicensed music oo like illegal, like license music, that they're notpaying for rand they'll, have like a whole. You know quote unquote.radiotype show strange huh anyway, but my bigger concern is here, and this isalways the thing like. I want to connect people in there, gos Ta what to connect peoplein the real world at the meetings to people that listen to podcast, topeople that are on social media, because I think that's three distinctlydifferent types of people. My biggest hurdle right now is finding people thatare on social media to actually figure out how to work a podcast, becausethat's n, that's not the easiest thing and were that's a new thing I meanpodcast has been around a long time and I have, and I'm usually up on tech,Suff Yep, but I've kind of resisted them in part because don't drive allthat much long distances yeah anywhere and that'swhere I usually listen to things on CD or whatever, but just sitting down and listening to...

...talking, is just not a thing that Ireally do around the house, except that I've started listening to your podcast and and just kind of playing around on theInternet, while it kind of plays in the background. But it's interesting enoughthat it holds my attention and it's not that long. It's not! It doesn't take anhour out of my day Y yeah, that's true, and it even the ones that are superlong like when I'm at work just doing some fabrication. You know out in thefactory part, I will turn on something like Joe Rogan. That literally goes forlike three hours B, but you just find that you pay attention when you do andyou don't pay attention when you're not paying attention. Yeah, that's, okay,so ani thin idea of connecting people in a space like podcast is somethingthat you sort of listen to, but you're not reallyinteracting with, whereas a group online or a group in person you're interactingwith them or you can interact. If you feel like it yeah and you cand learnaide to connect those yeah yeah, you can lark. I think that's important, andthat kind of I guess that's why podcast are cool in a way because you're in away you're like a Voyeur, you're listening in on other others,conversations sure, but so tha anyway, back to the the the group thing is Iwanted like currently I'm trying this thing called the mighty networks, Mi tnetworks and it's a APP. I saw ad scrolling by one day on facebook. A Dsaid: Hey you like networks, you should try this and I put the bipolarjomgolcom domain nheme porting, pointing to that right now it justseems slow and clunky. So now, I'm at the point where, like will shit, shewould just point the bipolar jungle kind of community group domain, nameback to a facebook group, I'm like yeah. I guess I hate facebook and I hate thatwe have to be there. I prefer twitter because it's fast and immediate, a morelike chat like I appreciate well and here's an argument for having an on something: that's not facebook, becausefacebook forces you do use your real name and profile. Oh, I wonder ifthey're going to kick me off, because I just changed mind the Johnny Motions AlTogether and change my picks, my facehel to Baemotil Wer. Unlesssomebody reports it okaybut the so it means that in a group you're not reallyanonymous. That's true! That is true. So you justsaying a better. A different platform would be better just on the ananibitypart alone. Right like because I like slack, is cool, you can an okay, here's,the other problem that I've noticed is huge in the facebook quote: UnquoteSupport Groups and that they get tens of thousands of people. Twenty Sano, Oyeah, you can't even keep. That's God effective and I think, like slack, is agood way. I think we can create channels like by region like okay,there's too many people here now that's going to be New York, that's going tobe California, that's going to be Midwest or whatever, and I think youcan do that and keep people organized that way, but that whole idea aboutblack to Tecki. For that's the thing it's America Ben, then it's yet anotherAP people have to have on their damn phone and have to learn right right,just sus. It comes easy because we learned it and we well yeah, because wehad to work and we were paid to learn it because it was at work right and nowwe like it so so BAC. It's not like, generally more ad fault, more downloads, yeah orethings to log into so I guess kind of leads back to facebook. But I'm justlike how do I keep a facebook group flexible and in a way that you cansplinter it off after two hundred people? Or so you know after that, AonNoug. You can do that. I do know that the best facebook groups that I'm anthat have anything to do with helth or support, or that kind of thing, are allsecret groups, and you have to have an invitation fromsomebody in the group to be a member.

But you could have people that go tobipolor jungle or wherever you're having itpointed yeah point to the secret grap, because youcan't find it otherwise so, but that would defend that woulddefeat the purpose of the by polar junglecom domain them, because ifpeople type that in it actually went to the secret group Wand be like, I can'tfinhd mine where's it right and now we're back to you don't get to have anAlius. What about Yammer? Have you ever used the Amer before you've told me about it, but I haven'tused it. I like it. It looks and feels a lot like facebook. Again it's anotherwebsite, but that's also the upside. It's another website. You can actuallydownload your your like emailers lists and keep it. So if it ever goes out ofbusiness, you can still get in touch with your people, O that's a great ideayeah. So but man but again basebook is like agiant yeah facebooks like a giant tractor beam that keeps people suckedinto it it does it wants to keep you part of that's. Why we're getting allour news things on facebook? Now and fake news too well Anfik news to, but Imean you said, can subscribe to follow like BBC and Yeah Yeah. That's Trea, niceright right, t the real ones but yeah. So in fact I think a lot of people,especially older folks, just between like Huffington, post and facebook.They think that is the web. That's the whole entire Internet right there. So Imean I know, people that are still on AOL, so you saw Theyre Sitting DownMessenger after he twenty years they're. Finally, killing AOL, messenger yeah,that's so azy! What's crazy is I still I hadn't used it in probably fifteenyears, but yeah my log in probably was still good up untilthen up until they shut it down man I misse those days. He things weresimple and that's really. WHAT SLACK IS AOL? Instant Messenger? It's just aninstant messenger. Again, it's just another instant messenger. So that's a format. That's superdifferent from posting, something and then discussing it right. I, like thesecret group, idea, people like exclusivity and and being int tims thatare protected, but you're Wright about the real name policy. I think iwould bemore open to talk about it, put a pole or a series of Poles on maybe twitter, flitter yeah yeah,because that that's organically growing, pretty quick. I've been only humpingthat for like three weeks and there's like three hundred ish,like real followers like normal people that are not spamy they're, not you know social media marketing, goorustelling me how to get tips yeah it's it they're, actually like legitimate realpeople, but it's amazing yeah yeah, I'm like now. I find myself obsessed withfollowers and downloads, but it's really neat the downloads for the showkeep going up like fifty percent each week, a new podcast there's that manymore pot downloads from the previous week, at's so cool. I know it's likeit's working, what that's crazy and the merch okay, I put a happy faceon the Murch, because I on Kn I got the other one hows it look cool. It'sgorgeous yeah. You got to take a picture and POSTEAN OPTION: Okay, yeah!I will I got that and I have another one where there's a human in a elevatorbox and there's like an Arrow going up and aro going downjust like you knowthe ups and down neat, I'm trying to think of all kinds of like ideas thatrob gotta get Emai Jai Yeah I'll, send you one because now I have ', I haven'tset up. Basically I'm looking at the leaderboard on my on my back in there,so I can tell who's being the most sa I'm trying to gain on it. Can you tellthat I'm trying I haven't looked today? I know that bipolar connect is Kickang,ask this month and it flushes out at the end of every month. So everyone hasa new chance to to get up to the top of the list, but yeah. If you want oneplus I'm thinking of bribing people for...

...helping me like manage Te facebookgroup with Tshir yeahbes. I think that's a barits a more effective way toboth build the brand and I think all the like quote: Unquote: bypolar styletshirts. I don't think they're going to say bipolar style anywhere on them. Ithink just the art work itself will represent things that are bipollerNatur, somebody as yeah yeah, just to start a conversation or if yourrecognize that logo somewhere else you'll know like hey, there's someonewho knows yeah totally. I like that idea, yeah, so cool okay, so things arecoming together. I just wanted to keep on the Mikes, because I like I try todo three podcast a week and this one sounds great. It sounds like a realpodcast and the voice o nervous yeah. I don't know what I sound like on amicrophone. I Hate O know wh. I sound like to other people. I Oly Know What Ifeel like to me yeah. I know you sound great it but and like even to me it'smy own voice when I have to go back and edit this, just even you know, quantifythe audio or make sure it's not too loud or whatever. I have to listen tomy own voice and like Oh, I got. I seund like such a Magoo fucking dorjust shut that guy up. Why is he even talkingout? No, you sound fine, yousounds fun. You sound normal normal, exactly, okay, that's all! I can hopethat's my thing with this particular show, because I've listened to otherpodcast and there's there's still too sterile for me, they're little tooclinical and they're little too safe and, like I'm thinking of all thebipolar people I know, and I'm like none of them are that way: They're alllike rock and roll dangerous, fucking, crazy kind of people in a good way,Crati that not stigmatizing right right so like we need o. We need a podcastfor bipolar people like that. So this will be. This will be that Fiona yeahget you got to get over the twitter now and make like you na Gota Hur Ayoun astar shine or make a crazy last name Aliyeah. That would be awesome. So,thanks for all your help and like your so elcome, then my said thoughts and prayers. So iiokayyou can stin thoughts, an okay se my thoughts and prayers to all o Youant,your family and the people. I know in Louisiana, particularly New Orleans.It's coming up hurricane nate this weekend. I now it's pretty rough. IOn't yeah, I'm seady for the Howtam season to be overjeez right. This wholeyeah, but this is the calm before the storm, Oh God, wow had to get in my truckreference. Oh boy, I don't know what to say aboutthat. I feel Lik to talk about. Another really feels like we're in alternateuniverse and the great thing about having tts temen an times but thiss s.This would look like in times if yeah, if you were actually to like, have amovie. This is this is all the stuff that was in that Zite guys movie a fewyears: abact hurricanes and riots and crazy presidents and wars and like Yep,that's today, but we're going to go watch Henry rallins over at the hardlystrictly blue grass. THAT'S PRETTY AWESOME! I think I'm going to watchbladerunner, Oh yeah, and the new blade runners out. You guys go to go, watchthem 'm sure it's down at the Robinson. Well, we you're going to catch up. First, one yeah catch up uch till lastnight and I'm going to watch it today. Get the story get the story set in yourhead because the like, like your cousin Ray, said, the next one is not aprequel. It's a fucking snol, it's actual just a sequel happens after, butit looks totally awesome. I can't wait to see that huge science fiction fan.So that's great, I'm going to probably drop in the trailer musicsomewhere right about now. Let it start to fade up and yeah no seriously. Letme know how the familyis going and I'm sure they're on rg they're on higherground they're in a good part of town, so they should be all right. I don'tknow being able to get back home after if the pumps don't work, be ethey'regood at figureand stuff like that out heck yeah. That's why they're thereyeah all right tell Mama sit hi and pet cats. For me, I will all rhtright thanI han out Fiona Youre Webutidi, like...

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