Live from Emo Dojo
Live from Emo Dojo

Episode · 4 years ago

Rebranding "bipolar" one podcast at a time.


John and Fiona talk about building a better podcast for bipolar people, including the factors involved in selecting a platform for the social media activities. John wonders how to reach more women and people of color struggling with mental health issues and shares his story about missing the DBSA picnic by 50 feet due to social anxiety.

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Welcome back to bipolar style, thepodcast for bipolar people and those who love them. Join US online at bipolarstylecom and now use your host, Johnny emotion. Hey, thanks, Jules, and thank you for tuning in to the bipolar style podcast. I'm yourhost, Johnny emotions, like she said, and this episode is cool. Thisis the first time I get to interview somebody testing out the audio.I had one of my closest friends from Louisiana call in and we're going tohave a conversation. If this first conversation is a lot about how we're buildingthe PODCAST and establishing social media channels and things like that. So I hopeyou enjoy it and I'm glad she is a woman because it gives the audioa little more contrast and I look forward to having more guests in the future. So I think you probably like this one, one of the best episodeso far. So enjoy and follow US along on the Internet's twitter at BipolarStyle and on the web bipolar stylecom. Cool. Take a listen. Ifit's recording, okay, it's recording and I don't edit. The only thingI edit is yes, you do. I edit out that when I gobecause it's super loud and when I watch it go by in the editing softwareis this giant peak that covers the whole spectrum. I have never even noticedyou doing that, because I add that out. I don't edit anything else. I cut out a big Joh yeah, because in real life it's it's not. They're like a chipmunk. So, Fiona, it is. That's okay, like from Shrek, isn't? The princess and an ogre? Atthe end she turned out to be an ogre princess. That's cool, andit's also similar to the name of your cat. Philon zone is Philanzonia.Yeah, okay, cool. So I will start and we'll so we'll assumethe music and the intro just happens, but I actually might just jump inlike an edit something and say, Hey, okay, I was talking about BlahBlah Blah, putting together podcast and my good friend Fiona decided that she'dcome on and talk to me about it on the air. So here's thatphone conversation. It might be something like that. You know, I mighthave like a set up. Yeah, so it doesn't matter how we start. Honestly, could just faded up and all of a sudden we're talking.Okay, so, Hey, what's up, Fiona Hoddy? Thanks for taking mycall. Well, you're so welcome. Here's my thought. So, okay, Fiona isn't is Fiona's real name either. It's like, you know, the stigma is real, but I we just want private lives. Buthere's the thing. I think more podcast like these need female voices and peopleof colors voices, especially that, because I noticed in most of the onlinemental health warrior type people hashtags, there's less that I'm just not looking inthe right places. I don't see that many people of color compared to howmany white people are out there shaking their flags. That's a really, reallygood point. I can think of a couple that I know that might bewilling home on. This is the thing we have to you have to geta new twitter account for Fiona so that, yeah, people that hear your voicehere will know that they can follow you, because maybe they don't wantto follow a dude or dudes voice, but maybe they feel more comfortable followinga woman. Yeah, that's a good call. I'll do that. Cool. So, yeah, people of Color and women probably, I would imagine, have more. Stop me if I'm stereotyping, but they might have moremental health issues just from the oppression of society than a white man. ButI'm not a doctor, so I don't...

...know about that. Seems I seemedpossible say oppressed groups would be under more stress. So if you have anissue where you don't respond to stress well and you also happen to be undermore stress because you're outside, yeah, you're an oppressed class for sure.Right, cool. So I'm only sort of talking, I guess, onlytalking out of my but a little bit. It's good that here, because Italked of my out of my ass a lot when I'm by myself allalone, talking here some yeah, because I get off on these rants.I make my little notes in my Google keep and I pull up my phoneand like, okay, I'm going to just talk about this one and talkabout this one and then I'll then I'm out, but I'll get on thatfirst topic and then I'll trail off and I'll hit like the whole talk downthought. Yeahs you want to talk about? Yeah, because like when I takethe train to work or whatever, I have a few minutes to myhead, to myself and I'm like, Oh, yeah, that's that's dwell, I've been dwelling on that. That should be an issue for a podcast. So well, yeah, yeah, I try to keep it organized,but make it a podcast. Is is a lot of work for regular folksand sometimes I'm like, did I bite off more than I can chew?But it's kind of fun because I can't get out to group all the timeand I don't have a therapist. Did you get to go like once aweek or something? I can, but there's the anxiety bit. Oh here'ssomething we could talk about. This is funny because you would totally relate becauseyou've probably experienced this with me sometimes. So last Sunday, I think itwas Saturday or Sunday, over at a park in San Francisco, the DBSA, the depression by Polar Support Alliance folks. We're putting on their their youth group. Anyway, we're putting on a picnic at Dolores Park. My God, that's going to be fucking cool. That'd be great. It's going tobe a beautiful day in the city. I'll go over the city and pickup what I need and go to the park and just hang out with peoplethat can relate sounds great, right. Yeah, so I get up thereand of course it's the youth group. It's not my people, it's notthe people I normally go to, and they all look cool and pretty surethat that's them right there with the blue and white balloons, looking around likedo I recognize? Kind of recognize one person, just enough to confirm that, Yep, that's the DBSA group. And then what kicks in the anxiety? I was like, I don't know, he's fucking people and like it's stilla beautiful day in the park. So I ended up sitting about fiftyfeet away from everybody that didn't they didn't know me and I didn't know them, but I kind of like Perif peripherally, like vicary's. They enjoyed the partyjust I'm sitting over here and it didn't look like they brought a lotof food or or drinks or whatnot. That my own snacks with me.So I just kind of sat there and watch that. Okay, there's somebipolar people and I'm a bipolar people and we're in a park and this kindof counts right. So I took a picture I haven't posted. I shouldput it up on fucking twitter, but I took a picture from my vantagepoint like a stalker, like there's the party I toold everybody was going to. I'm not actually there, but there it is. I made it thisfar. That you went though, right, I broke out and I made itand I got as far as I could. But that social peace atthe end where you have to like, wh hi, I'm a new guy, how are you? I can't fucking do that today. Well, andyou probably could have done it if you'd recognized more people and if they'd beenyour age group. Sometimes, yeah, and sometimes it even takes somebody torecognize me to say, Oh hey, John, come over and if thatdoesn't get that, this now, right, right, like a tractor. Mean, but if that doesn't happen, I kind of make up every excusenot to him, like a hope. New People, people. They don'teven have chapters of it here. So hard, you know, like remembermy my disgust and trying to find one in La proper, and then Iwanted to start. Oh Yeah, all that, for sure. Yeah,they had like the one that I did...

...find was on Broadway in La withthe roll up door straight to the sidewalk and we were trying to have agroup with literally people walking three feet away down downtown Broadway in La. Yeah, that was nuts. The Pasadena one was cool, but again, it'slike if there's not a viable one in downtown La and you got to goall the way to Pasadena, I could not imagine for someone in Shreveport,or let alone jennings or someplace like that. I mean, and you know thousandsof other little cities across America. So I guess I'm Fortun area,Peoria. What's the Illinois with one of those I states? I. Yeah, and this week sucked on top of it because of all the shooting.A machine guy, a fucking machine and what? Yeah, yeah, sobad. Yeah, to have help. I am persuaded that he had tohave help, help and didn't get help. Yeah, I'm sure it will turnout. They were all the classic signs metally ill. You don't thinkso? That begs the question, though, right, like, I don't know. My mom thinks he was radicalized in some way. That's that's theconspiracy going around on a lot of the conservative talk radio. That's the thingI did that I'm in the bay area because I'm a big liberal, leftyprogressive anyway. But during work I get in the work truck and I turnin far right talk radio. The here what they're talking about. Yeah,so they're totally pushing conspiracy theories that he was rattled radicalized by Isis that aboutthat kind of thing? Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of talk that he'sby about Isis, but I also don't know, like what else itcould be. Well, you know me, I'm the classic conspiracy theorist in thatsense where I'm like, well, I don't see a video of thatmotherfucker shooting anything. I see a picture of a guy and I see apicture of some legs in a hotel room and I see guns and I seeyou know, fact, fact, fact, but at none of them add upto that's actually the guy. So in my mind, like, let'ssee, the government put a guy in there to shoot him up. Isiswas up there with him and killed him. Makes Sense, though, why don't? None of it makes sense, like that's not how any of thisworks really, right? So Sad. Yeah, just they haven't come upwith a narrative that makes sense yet. Bad, just bad anyway. Soa lot of US woke up to that on Monday. Mornings like. Yeah, that was one of the most maddic these hundreds of miles away. Thatis traumatic. And I didn't know anybody at the concert. I've never heardof Jason Aldean Song, although I've heard his name before. Yeah, butwe were just there a few months ago, right, like remember the punk rockbowling we're what if somebody decided to shoot up a bunch of punk rockers? Exactly? That's the aunts a father looking for right there. Or ANTIFA, as they say. ANTIFA, what the fuck, I know. Howdo you actually say it? Well, maybe if it's just, if it'sa kind, if it's a condensing of anti fascist, wouldn't be ANTIFA?ANTIFA, ANTIFA and far right right. It's how I say it, exceptI know somebody who's like with them and they say Antifa. Well, they'vebeen watching too much Fox News then. I don't know. Maybe they werejust staying it that way to joke. Egally say it, I don't know, but it sounds just more like tea party and TIFA. Yeah, itsounds like completely missing them, pointing and the whole thing is here's my takeon the ANTIFA in general is that people think it's a group like we mustshut them down, like call up their right headquarters and demand. They're sayingyou step a sign. Yeah, I'm like, it's just a spontaneous reactionof normal people to fascism. That's what that's how I send. Some ofthose normal people were smart enough to, you know, bring face coverings right. Yeah, because they got they got day jobs and they're unaffiliated voters andthey just see the rise of fascism as a bad thing. There was anarticle just recently about how, even with your face mostly covered, like evenif they can only see your eyes, they're and going to be able toidentify people. Oh yeah, we were talking about this yesterday. There's gatetechnology that walks how people, that detects... Yeah, for sure,and it's muscular and not muscular but skeletal, and you cannot change the way skillto some literally like a lift or some crazy shit. And even thenAi Intel, artificial intelligence, can detect that you probably did that because nowyou're the only goofball walking with the goofy limp and it will sort those limpersout at first and recalculate. So it is amazing. And they say gatetechnology is more accurate than your thumb print. So well that and they are findingpeople with that's prints that match people from two different parts of the worldwho are alive at the same time, but who's prints throw up as matchingin the that's nuts. Right. In the future I'm going to start walkinglike a DORC, like monty python or something. Just Google's really long.I'm wondering how quickly, how soon, it's going to be before the makeupthat right now looks crazy with like white and black triangles on your face,that kind of stuff. Yeah, but how long do you think it takesbefore that becomes in, like that's a thing that just normal people just puton their makeup like that? Yeah, yeah, they'll be like the bandaidtype stickers, you know, you just temporary and in all their yeah,plus the the stick the bandage of the future will of digital technology that willseep into your pores, nanotech, and that's going to be exciting to future. That's deep future. So okay, anyway for it. Yeah, right, I can't wait all apart in the next ten years. True, ElonMusk has a good head on his shoulders. I like people like think like him. He was he was getting many, he was getting into it with somecartoonist about the singularity and whatnot. Last night it is pretty funny.Oh really, yeah, good times. So okay with the show though.So all right, here's where I'm stuck. The podcasting part is pretty easy,like you could tell, we're making a podcast right now and the soundsounds good and you go over to five and get a voiceover artist for thefront and my friend Ray made some music. Should I stick with the same musicor say, if actually find music eventually, I want to pick onesong and stick with it because I believe in like the power, the powerof a tone, like the Intel child or stuff like that. Well,it's stuff like that. has to be either, like you said, thechime from that or the Netflix boom boom, yeah, or you know, somethinglike that, or it has to be an earworm. Right, right. I like the song, the short one. Yeah, that's song that'splaying right now on this episode. Is called Brazil, the theme from Brazil. It's like an old class Oh yeah, I love that one. But yeah, people wonder like what the fuck is that mean? What's Brazil allabout? So that's one of my all time favorite sci fi movies about adystopy tract. I wonder how much it would cost to license that. Idon't know. You need to have I guess I'll find out if they eversend the site, send a sea synthesis letter to me. I'll find outone day. They so funny, but I don't know, not too concernedabout it. Some people have whole podcast with like nothing but UN licensed music, broly, like illegal, like license music that they're not paying for Rand they'll have like a whole you know, quote unquote, radio type show.Strange Huh. Anyway. But my bigger concern is here, and thisis always the thing, like I want to connect people, and there goesthat want to connect people in the real world at the meetings, to peoplethat listen to the podcast, to people that are on social media, becauseI think that's three distinctly different types of people. My biggest hurdle right nowis finding people that are on social media to actually figure out how to worka podcast, because that's not that's not the easiest thing in it we're that'sa new thing. I mean podcast have been around a long time and Ihave and I'm usually up on tech stuff, Yep, but I've kind of resistedthem in part because don't drive all that much long distances, yea anywhere, and that's where I usually listen to things on CD or whatever. HMM. But just sitting down and listening to...

...talking is just not a thing thatI really do around the house, except that I've started listening to your podcastand and just kind of playing around on the Internet while it kind of playsin the background. But it's interesting enough that it holds my attention and it'snot that long. It's not it doesn't take an hour out of my day, you know. Yeah, that's true, and it even the ones that aresuper long, like when I'm at work just doing some fabrication, youknow, out in the factory part, I will turn on something like JoeRogan that literally goes for like three hours. But you just find that you payattention when you do, when you don't pay attention, when you're notpaying attention. Yeah, that's okay. So can I think an idea ofconnecting people in a space like podcast is something that you sort of listen tobut you're not really interacting with, whereas a group online or a group inperson you're interacting with them or you can interact if you feel like it.Yeah, and you can learn idea to connect those yeah, yeah, andyou can lark. I think that's important and they are that kind of Iguess that's why podcasts are cool in a way, because you're in a way, you're like a Voyeur, you're listening in on other others conversations. Sure, but so that anyway, back to the the group thing. Is Iwanted, like currently I'm trying this thing called the mighty networks, mighty networks, and it's an APP. I saw ads scrolling by one day on facebookand said, hey, you like networks, you should try this, and Iput the bipolar junglecom domain named porting, pointing to that right now, butit just seems slow and clunky. So now I'm at the point wherelike, well, Shit, should we just point the bipolar jungle kind ofcommunity group domain named back to a facebook group? Yeah, I guess Ihate facebook and I hate that we have to be there. I prefer twitterbecause it's fast and immediate and more like chat, like I appreciate. Well, and here's an argument for having an on something that's not facebook, becausefacebook forces you to use your real name and profile. Oh, I wonderif they're going to kick me off because I just change mind, the JohnEmotions all together and change my pics, my face up to that Emojo careunless somebody, you reports it. Okay, but the so it means that ina group you're not really anonymous. That's true. That is true.So you just saying a better a different platform would be better, just onthe anonymity part alone. Right, like, because I've like slack is cool,you can. Okay, here's the other problem that I've noticed. IsHuge in the facebook, quote unquote support groups, and that they get tensof thousands of people, Twentyzero. Yeah, you can't even keep on. That'sgood, effective and I think like slack is a good way. Ithink we can create channels like by region, like okay, there's too many peoplehere now, that's going to be New York, that's going to beCalifornia, that's going to be midwester whatever, and I think you can do thatand keep people organize that way. But that whole idea about black totechy for did. That's the thing. It's America and then it's yet anotherAPP people have to have on their damn phone and have to learn right,right. Just us, it comes easy because we learned it and we werewell yet because we had to work and we were paid to learn it becauseit was at work right, and now we like it so so, butI guess not like generally, more APPs, fault, more downloads, yeah,more things to log into. So I guess kind of leads back tofacebook. But I'm just like, how do I keep a facebook group flexibleand in a way that you can splinter it off after two hundred people orso, you know, after that? I don't know if you can dothat. I do know that the best facebook groups that I'm in that haveanything to do with health or support or that kind of thing are all secretgroups and you have to have an invitation from somebody in the group to bea member. But you could have people...

...that go to bipolar jungle or whereveryou're having it pointed yeah, point to the secret group because you can't findit otherwise. HMM. So, but that would defense. That would defeatthe purpose of the due bipolar junglecom domain them because if people type that inand actually went to the secret group, would be like, I can't findmine. Where is it? Right? And now we're back to you don'tget to have an alienist. What about Yammer? Have you ever used theamber before? You've told me about it, but I haven't used it. Ilike it. It looks and feels a lot like facebook. Again,it's another website. But, because that's also the upside, it's another website, you can actually download your your like emailers lists and keep it so ifit ever goes out of business, you can still get in touch with yourpeople. That's a great idea. Yeah, so, but man, but again, facebook is like a giant. Yeah, facebook's like a giant tractorbeam that keeps people sucked into it. It does it wants to keep youpart of that's why we're getting all our news things on facebook now, andfake news too. Well, and fake news too, but I mean youShud can subscribe to follow like BBC, and yeah, that's True News,right, right, the real ones. But yeah, so, in fact, I think a lot of people, especially older folks, just between likeHuffington Post and facebook. They think that is the web and that's the wholeentire Internet right there. So, I mean I know people that are stillon AOL. So you saw their sutting down Messenger. After yeah, twentyyears, are finally killing AOL Messenger. Yeah, that's so a bazy.What's crazy, as I still I hadn't used it in probably fifteen years.But yeah, I my login probably was still good up until then until theyshut it down. Man, I missed those days. Things were simple andthat's really what slack is. AOL Instant Messenger. It's just an instant messenger. Again, it's just another instant messenger. So that's a format that's super differentfrom posting something and then discussing it. Right. I like the secret groupidea. People like exclusivity and being and things that are protected. Butyou're right about the real name policy. I think it would be more opento talk about it, put a pole or a series of polls on maybetwitter. Twitter. Yeah, because that's organically grown pretty quick. I've beenonly humping that for like three weeks and there's like three hundred ish like realfollowers, like normal people that are not spami. They're not you know SocialMedia Marketing Guru's telling me how to get tips. Yeah, it's they're actuallylike legitimate real people, but it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, I'm like nowI find myself obsessed with followers and downloads, but it's really neat.The downloads for the show keep going up like fifty percent each week in newpodcast there's that many more pot downloads from the previous week. That's so cool. I know it's like it's working. What crazy. And the merge.Okay, I put a happy face on the merch because I know I gotthe other one. How's it look? It's cool, it's gorgeous. Yeah, you got to take a picture and post an option. Okay, yeah, I will. I got that. And I have another one where there'sa human in an elevator box and there's like an Arrow going up and aregoing down, so it's like, you know, the ups and down.Me, I'm trying to think of all kinds of like ideas that rod gotto get. Emo Joe. Yeah, I'll send you one because now Ihave it, I haven't set up. Basically, I'm looking at the leaderboardon my my back end there so I can tell who's being the most.I'm trying to gain on it. Can you tell that I'm trying? Ihaven't looked today. I know that bipolar connect is kicking ass this month andit rush is out at the end of every month so everyone has a newchance to get up to the top of the list. But yeah, ifyou want one. Plus, I'm thinking of bribing people for helping me likemanage the facebook group with t shirts.

Yeah, because I think that's abitter idea. It's some more effective way to both build the brand and Ithink all the like quote unquote bipolar style t shirts. I don't think they'regoing to say bipolar style anywhere on them. I think just the artwork itself willrepresent things that are bipolar and nature somebody as yeah, yeah, justto stir a conversation. Or if you're recognize that logo somewhere else, you'llknow like there's someone who knows. Yeah, totally, I like that idea.Yeah, so cool. Okay, so things are coming together. Ijust want to keep on the mics because I like I try to do threepodcasts a week and this one sounds great. It sounds like a real podcast andthe voice sound nervous. Yeah, I know what don't sound like ona microphone. I Hate I don't know what I found like to other people. I only know what I sound like to me. Yeah, I knowyou sound great it, but and like even to me it's on my ownvoice when I have to go back and edit this just even, you know, quantify the audio or make sure it's not too loud or whatever. Ihave to listen to my own voice and like Oh, I got it.Sound like such a Magoo fucking door. Just shut that guy up. Whyis he even talking? Know, you sound fine, you sound funny,sound normal, normal, exactly. Okay, that's all I can hope that's mything with this particular show, because I've listened to other podcast and there'sthere's still too sterile for me. They're little too clinical and they're little toosafe. Like I'm thinking of all the bipolar people I know and I'm like, none of them are that way. They're all like rock and rolled,dangerous, fucking crazy kind of people, in a good way. Crazy,not not stigmatizinger. Right, right. So we need a we need apodcast for bipolar people like that. So this will be this will be that. Fiona, yeah, get you got to get over to twitter now andmake like feed, I gotta hurt him. You own a star shine or makea crazy last name? Yeah, totally, yeah, that would beawesome. So thanks for all your help and you're so welcome. Send myalmost said thoughts and prayers. Say, that's okay. You can send thoughtsand okay, send my thoughts and prayers to all your family and the peopleI know and Louisiana, particularly New Orleans. It's coming up hurricane nate this weekend. Now it's pretty rough. I don't you know. I'm sure forthe housing season to be over. Geez, right, this whole yeah, butthis is the calm before the storm. Yeah, Oh God, wow,had to get in my trunk reference. Oh boy, I don't know whatto say about that. I feel like I'm talking about another really feelslike we're in an alternate universe. And the great thing about having PTSD evenand times. But this is this would look like in times if, yeah, if you were actually to like have a movie, this is this isall the stuff that was in that Zeitgeis movie a few years ago, hurricanesand riots and crazy presidents and wars and like. Yep, that's Today.But we're going to go watch Henry Rawlins over at the hardly strictly blue grass. That's pretty awesome that. I think. I'm going to watch blade runner.Oh yeah, and the new blade runners out. You guys got togo watch them. Sure, it stand at the Robinson. Well, weyou going to catch up first one? Yeah, catch up on still lastnight. I'm going to watch it today. Get the story, get the storyset in your head, because the like. Like your cousin Ray said, the next one is not a Prequel, it's a fucking spirituel. It's actuallyjust a sequel. Happens after, but it looks totally awesome. Ican't wait to see that. Huge Science Fiction Fan. So that's great.I'm going to probably drop in the trailer music somewhere right about now. Letit start to fade up and yeah, no, seriously, let me knowhow the family's going and I'm sure they're on they're on higher ground. They'rein a good part of town, so they should be all right. Idon't know being able to get back home after you if the pumps don't work. They're good at figure and stuff like that out heck, yeah, that'swhy they're there. Yeah, all right, tell Mama said hi and pet thecats for me. I will all...

...right. Thank you for hand out, Fiona. You're welcome. All right. By if you'd liked what you heard, subscribe on Apple Podcast by Itunes and join us at by color stylecom. Thanks for listening,.

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