Live from Emo Dojo
Live from Emo Dojo

Episode · 1 month ago

Shaun Johnson | Art Photographer | Georgia, USA


John talks with art photographer Shaun Johnson (Georgia, USA) about using his photography as a tool for social justice, and to lift himself from depression

Topics include …

  • Feeling we are here with an important mission to achieve
  • Shaun’s attempt at screenwriting
  • Photography for social justice
  • Photography as a true art form
  • Working with papier-mâché
  • Photography to ease depression
  • Where does inspiration come from?
  • How is the NFT thing going?
  • Planting the seeds for generational wealth
  • Shaun’s favorite NFT platform

Shaun can be contacted through his Twitter profile: @Shaun_Johnson17

Shaun's photography can be purchased on OpenSea:

What's up friends, welcome to anotherexciting episode of live from Emo Dojo. Today we have not just any SeanJohnson, the Sellon Johnson, the famous nft art photographer representing Georgia United States. You can love this conversation. I loved it. Actually, I liketalking artist a lot. I've got some documentary filmmakers coming up, some authorsof books that are not mental health books and plenty of like artists, likepainters and graphic designers, musicians, you name it, they're all coming up. I'm having a blast and I hope you are too. If you dolike what you're listening to and you have it within you, please stop byapple and leave a review. I noticed I haven't had a review in liketwo years. Anyway, do that if you got the time. I knowit's kind of a pain in the ASS, but it would be nice. Thatsaid, let's jump on into this. You're going to love this guy,man. We just chat about all kinds of things. We keep itlight. Seems to be a very agreeable person and man good conversation. Solive from Emo Dojo, this is Sean Johnson. I feel you. Thatpaid a though that that means the field collector get paid. Yeah, itmeans the wolves are at bay for another week and a half or so.Absolutely. Yeah, that does suck. I was watching the DMX story onHBO. They got a series called music box where they do different stories thatdidn't like Kenny G and DMX and random bunch of people. The DMX onewas awesome because they followed him from the day he got out of prison fortax evasion and then all the way up till his final day. Is Prettyintense, but one of the check that out. Yeah, it was awesome. Is Excellent. I was a big fan him. I'm like generation x, so he was writing my muttering, my wheelhouse. They're a man atyeah, and that dude had bipolar to he rarely talked about it, butonce he mentioned it and that I started to notice what he was making thenews stories for. I'm like Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, that'sdefinitely a mode right there, right, but he yeah, the one tellingthing was he got signed to like a half million dollar deal back at adeath cham after he got out. You know, they want to do likea retro town of album with them, and they show them in that meeting. He's like yeah, whatever, what her fuck Youah, sure, great, half million. Cool. Well, the next cut of the video theyshow him just fucking angry because he's on a phone with like his lawyer orbookkeeper, something like oh well, you got this three hundredzero dollar judgment here, then you got this hundred and Twentyzero dollar judgment, and she they're justlisting all these judgment so he's basically fucking broke immediately after he signed a dealand like fuck yeah, isn't that how it goes crazy and that will yeah, Dude. So Um man, thanks for showing up. Thanks for beinghere. It's hard to get people to show up, and especially if you'venot talked like you know it is actually right now. I'm sure it's fine, but that few moments right up to it's like a kind of nervous Ohyeah, yeah, yes, it's kind of difficult for me because I justI don't know if it's like I don't want to come off as dumb or, you know, anything like that, and I have a little bit ofa lift. I like it. It's it makes you unique and one ofmy best friends has a way more intense list than that and the only timewe ever fuck with each other's when we drink, but he has pretty goodam too, because I've got bipolar disorder, so you know, I don't havea lot of legs to stand on this. So now I like itmakes you unique and that's fantastic, dude. So yeah, greetings, welcome you. You have a great radio boy. Man, I like to talk.I just I like to talk. That's all the other like the fuckingtalk. I can't shut up, you know, just a spas. Sofinally, after practicing podcasting for a while, I think I found my niche andit's finding other creatives, because when I first started this podcast, itwas all about mental health and then I read a thing that, you know, tripped me. I had a little bit. Said, well, youbecome what you focus on, and I'm like, oh well, the podcastis all me complaining about what was me, my mental health, this or that. I'm like that's what I became. Like well, I'm a creative person. Let me get back to that. And I was struggling to find likea topic for the podcast, but now it seems perfect. It's likepeople, artists specifically, who are into mental health and then with the doseof Technology. So yeah, we ended up with NFTS for the past severalweeks. I'm digging it. I love it. Hey, yeah, Ilove you. I Love Your Voice on twitter. To this is we'll getinto this. This is cool because on twitter everyone has a different voice,like is it, and mine is typically fuck the man, fuck everything andFuck all fascist type ideas. Right, right, and I think you sharethat with me a lot, and I...

...could tell and a lot of yourphotography it's very social justice oriented, very much. So I love that.How did you get well, how did we cross paths on twitter? Ithink I follow people who's already like and I love your photography. After Iget done with my emo Dojo kind of concept art project, I'm going toget back to photography, which is my real passion, and yours really stoodout. I appreciate that. How did you get started, dude? Howdid you get started? First and photography, or was it something else entirely?Well, UM, so I've it's gonna found kind of dumb maybe,but I've always had thought of a feeling in thought of where I'm supposed todo something important. Yeah, and and that's kind of like sent me ona path of trying to figure out what it is, and I've gotten towhere I was starting to write. I tried screenwriting and I didn't do verywell at it. It was some the theme was really hard to kind offit fit in there, and that would make me a little bit depressed.And then there were things, you know, going on in the world with humanityand social issue for sure, would bother me and I wanted to expressit and I wasn't good at writing like I was saying, so I decidedto express it in pictures. I could say what I wanted to say,would putting things together and making a clear point, and once it got outof me, then I had a relief, a relief, a lightning of theweight, and I felt much better. I feel that. Yeah, Idefinitely that lightning that you mentioned. It's almost like true artist. Idon't want to like say there's false artist, but I mean the ones that Iam gravitated towards seem to have to have something that got to get outof them, like you're not going to stop until it actually gets out,whether it's in the form of music or writing and, in your case,photography. Is that kind of how you felt like it just it's coming outone way or the other. It has to come out at this is untenablethe way it is now. Absolutely because, you know, with you know alot of the light with George Floyd. Yeah, and watching all that thatthat really bothered me and I feel like I needed to say something.Right. Maybe it wasn't directly, you know, related to that incident,but the overall the aspect of it, and it sort of torments me inside, like I just got to get this out and then I'll come up withthe idea, I'll put it together and take the picture and edit it andonce it's all done, it over with, I can look at it and Ican feel the relief that I said what I needed to say. Yeah, yeah, when you were trying to do screenwriting, was it the formattingor the thoughts? Getting two thoughts into words? Because I've tried screenwriting beforetoo, and to me it wasn't so much the idea, because I Iruminate on the idea all the time, but getting it out into words,into the format of a screenwritten, like final draft thing. I'm like,this is too much. I got to move on. Right. They knowthe the format of it was easy. The technical side of it was easy. I had the idea of it's just understanding, comprehending, I guess,how to put theme into it. Yeah, and to show it everything throughout thescreenplay and then have the overall point come together at the end. Itwas very difficult and I just learned that I was better with pictures than Iwas with words. Yeah, you're great at photography. How how? Howlong ago or how young were you when you started photography? kind of serioussleep seriously, it's been two years. Wow, that's impressive. What whatwas your experience with cameras and photography up to that point? Zero, nokidding, just cell phones and stuff like that, taking pictures of whatever yousaw. He yeah, that was very rare that I would even do that. But I'll I saw a photography as an art and I was like Icould draw. Okay, it's not nothing great. I have been draws,you know, I would draw, but when I was a very small childand I had a friend who was really good, I mean he was veryimpressive. He draw down a thor's in the scale zone. Them would bejust or the skin would be just awesome, while I was like, yeah,I'm not that good, so I'm going to quit. I have abuddy. Let that. Yeah, like my best friend from forever. Heis such an amazing illustrator and that's what he just likes to do. Hedoesn't try to sell it or is not on NFTS. He just way betterat me than me at that stuff. We all got that friend right.Absolutely. So I'm you know, later on I tried writing, because Ilike writing and I don't like to read very much, but writing yes.And then, anyhow, after I figured...

...out I couldn't do that very well, I needed another outlet, and photography thing like art to me, andI picked up a camera and I kind of played with it a little bitand I put it down, picked it up, play with it a littlebit, put it down, did that a couple times and then I waslike I'm going to give this a furious go. So then I started learning, you know, all the techniques and you know everything technical about the camerathat I could learn and and just kind of develop from there. And thenit got to the point to where you kind of hit a feeling as faras like okay, I know all of this, this is kind of boring. Now I need to challenge myself. So I've started telling myself with,you know, different ideas and creations your art really, I mean you're here, your photography really is art. It's I mean it's up there because it'sso well let me explain it because we're on audio show. I'll explain itto what I'm seeing, to the listener. Okay, so it is intense stagedblack and white photography. Much of it is symmetrical. I was watchingStanley Kubrick's full metal jacket earlier this morning. Yeah, and I was stunned athow every single scene was like a perfect scene, just staged, symmetricaland like, Oh, this is what makes this magic. And Yours verymuch the same way. There's a lot of play with contrast, hard blacksand hard whites, with the the grays in the in between and from mostof almost everything I've seen of your so far as black and white right shown. Yeah, for the moth part everything is black and white and you,you're great. I do like symmetry and I do like hard blacks and hardwhite to, you know, very contrasted. Yeah, and it's easy to saythat, but without seeing your work, the listener has to go. Soif you're on the internet or whatever while you're listening, if you're ableto go to OPENSEE DOT IO and look for Sean Johnson photos, Shaun andyou'll see he's under their under fire brand, and then you'll understand what we're talkingabout as we keep going. So yeah, sewand, it's it's reallyimpeccable because we've, I've grown up my whole life scene stage shots from everywherefrom the sears photo studio to Glabor shots and then my friend used to dobikini girls and hot rod shows and all the whole thing. Right, butthis is something different. What the way you're stage in your shots is asif it's the subject is a sculpture on to itself. Very much folk.I mean I could pick up any of them. The toes with the toetag. That that's ideal. The really intense mask ignoring their cries, thatpiece like that is wild, that unto itself. If you saw that notin photographic form, it's an art piece. But then your photography takes it toa whole new level because you apparently, I've taught yourself light angle and contrastand all these things. So it's really impressive. Thank you very much, and you are right. The the mask which is ignoring their cries,as a good one. But mask of horrors seems to be getting a lotmore attention, and understand why. But the mask is an art of itsown. It took me sixteen hours to make that mask. Yeah, that'sa really interesting piece. The mass that we're talking about is paper machee.It looks like with yeah, intense like news headlines. And is that clipfrom the news headlines or some kind of collage ors that? Did you customizethat and like printed on paper? How did you do that? Absolutely Iwas going for a newspaper look. It looks like. Yeah, so Itried to get several different fonts and I type these out, a printed themout, cut them up and then glue them onto the mask, trying togive it up, you know, the newspaper Look, and I thought Idid pretty good. It looks like it. To me. It looks like newspaperthat somehow you searched for like decades of cool headlines, not cool,obviously, like really heartbreak. It headlines like Parkland and things like that.and to me it from this distance, in this angle and the photo,looks like paper Machee, but it sounds like you just you put this onlike a mass. You you just had like a what is that? Hoppymask? So that kind of thing. That's actually a mold of my head, by a paper mache mold of my faith in my head. It actuallycovers the back of my head a little bit. Wow, that's cool.Yeah, I did that and created that it. Like I said, ittook sixteen hours and I could never duplicated, I promise. Yeah, that's thegreat thing about your art. You can't duplicate it. For One aphotography is inherently, almost in part were virtually impossible to duplicate. But whatyou've done in staging, the props and things like that, like the anarchyfists, that's Great. Always fancy myself anarchist, not a troublemaker. Justexactly. I don't I'm not a terrorist, I'm not a criminal. I justdon't think we need rulers or gods. That's all. And I write.Well, I am and most pieces,...

...most of my work, I amto the point and they have a meaning, specific meaning. It's not, it's not always, you know, writing your faith, but most everythingI do is, you know, intentional. Yeah, yeah, it's provocative,for sure, it's not alarming. You know, it's not Jesus Christin a jar of P or anything like that. But it is definitely eyecatchingand makes you stop and think. This looks like life magazine kind of photography, especially the United States of injustice with the hands bound behind the back inan American flag. Yes, that's intense. That could totally be the cover ofTime magazine. I agree. Yeah, was that you're intend to make thesekind of epic shots when you first started to get serious about photography.Well, as it was one a release there and, you know, anoutlet, but the ideas to create change with my photography in the world,because I believe in the power of art. Right, and these pieces are exactlywhat you said. They're meant to make people stop and think and andquestion. You know, are we doing things the right way? This isa theory. If issue, maybe I should look in on myself. AmI doing the right thing right? Yeah, the the art is very powerful andyou know, if you can take an image and if somebody walks byand see it and they stop for a second and they even question, justfor a second, and that Peef has done its job. I agree.I think all of your pieces do that and that, I really think,is one of the great things about art. Plus, it's really like a universallanguage. Your art is not speaking in any you know, language ofa certain country or any nationality or anything like that. These will mean verysimilar things shown to people around the world. I agree, which is interesting too, because it's going to be slightly different thing to every individual that looksat it, but you will get a similar reaction from people everywhere. Yes, I believe so. And you know, it's like I want to make adifference with my art, and obviously I know that. Yeah, myarts powerful. It's not going to change the world, but it's intent,if to get people to change themselves for the better, that over all wechange the world together. That's the idea, that's the you know, that's thewhole purpose of it. Yeah, that's nice. You kind of provokingunity in a sense. Yes, I like it. But what's your experiencewith mental health and things like that, because I know just by the natureof your post, and you know push back if I'm prying too much.I don't mind at all, but I noticed, I think you alluded todepression one time, maybe several weeks ago, and I don't want to lay thaton you if it's not accurate, but do you have experienced like dealingwith week? Yes, how do you? How do you? Is this anoutreach of your way to use, is yourself expression, a way tomanage your mental health? Yes, I haven't been diagnosed with anything, butover the course of my life I've noticed, you know, I'll have down times, I'll be have up times and then my downtimes, they may lasta month, they may last hour. You you just never know how long, right it's going to last. And recently I have noticed when I'm startingto go down into these these low you know, these low places. Yeah, and use photography to get me out of it, because when I makea piece, and if it's something about, something that's bothering me, I canmake a piece about it, then it helps bring me out of it, and just taking pictures just really helps me in that way. It pullsme up and even if I go too long without taking pictures, not takingpictures will bring me down. So it's kind of something that I have todo. Yeah, do you. I was wonder about things like that.If if it's the distraction that pulls us away from our depressive feelings or feelingsof anxiety or whatever around we happened to be experiencing. Is it the distraction, I wonder why? Is that why old men play golf, if theyjust need a distraction, because when you're doing things like art or perhaps golf, and not a Golfer, but I get the impression by looking at themthat that's all they're thinking about, is golf. When I'm playing the drums, that's pretty much all I'm thinking about is the drums at that moment andI don't have the bandwidth to be depressed. So I often wonder if that's thecase with many artists. Yeah, with photography it definitely is. WhenI'm when I'm putting together an image, a photo, setting everything up,that's all I'm thinking about. I'm making sure everything is in place like itshould be. I'm thinking about the lighting, I'm thinking, you know, aboutall the camera settings, you know how angles are. I'm just everythinginvolved with it is all my mind and just making sure it's right. Andthen I guess maybe also get a little...

...relief of their tone and you know, well, yeah, that's going on definitely. So there's a little dopeon him. After I get published and people start clicking in like an arm, then you get the residual benefit of the dopamine very much. So.Yeah, so it helps me in that way. I mean I'll listen tomusic and things like that, but I'm still focused on, you know,the project at hand in it and that's all that on my mind. Yeah, yeah, what's what kind of music do you listen to? What's yourfavorite type of music? My favorite artist is Tom Delong. No, kidding, blank one hundred and eighty two and yeah, their way. Yeah,yeah, like my favorite it artist of all time. I like the soundof that. That guy's voice. He's always had the more unique of thetwo. Are you into his his alien investigation kind of stuff? No,not really. Yeah, I every time I said that. I've never Isee it. I'm like, okay, that's fascinating. I mean I'm vaguelyfascinated with all crazy weird things, you know, just space ship, bigfoot or whatever, but the moment you start spending time and money on I'mlike, okay, cool buddy, great hobby, but right. Yeah,no, he was the I missed bleak one hundred and eighty two. Honestly, they were. They were cheesy to many people because I grew up withblack flag and circle jerk. So by the time the second wave of punkcame around, a lot of my age people were dissing it, but I'mlike, well's fuck, it's fucking hyper and fast and fun. And listento the guy's voice. I hear angst in that voice. I hear mesometimes in a lot of their songs, just and he was the voice inthe band that I'm most resonated with, the sound in my head very muchso for me, if will and to me, the we don't need towith for album, the hearst angels and Airwaite's album. Yeah, that tome is one of the greatest albums ever and it's mostly because how it ithits me emotionally. I resonate with every song on that album and that Ileft. I can't tell you anytime, but listen to it. Yeah,yeah, sometimes I get records like that throughout time, or a certain thingwill happen in my life and that will be the CD in the player.Back in the day, like when I got divorced, there's a certain CDin my player and like that's my divorce CD or whatever. When my sisterpassed away, I had like a playlist on my ipod and like, oh, that's that's the Katie playlist right there. Yeah, yeah, music is superpowerful. It's my next favorite thing to art, but I don't know, music might be my favorite form of art, I guess. But beinga drummer, I just I don't always claim the role of a clap,quote unquote musician, but I really like it. It's one of those moreuniversal things. Like your photography here, it's universal around the world. Itwill evoke a response similarly from people around the world, and music is thesame way. Yes, definitely, and a music for me is if Ineed to get to a certain place when I'm making an image. Yeah,if the quickest way to pull those emotions, you can listen to thirtain types ofmusic that will get you there and then you can really focus on whatyou need to say. Yeah, it's like almost like a trip. I'mguessing by looking at your stuff you have a vision in your mind first andthen you work to achieve that vision in a frame. Is that accurate?For the most part, I get images are I get idea of three differentways. One way is it's an image, the second way is a word orpraise, okay, and then the third way of just pure emotion.I'll take an emotion and I'll turn it into an image. I can takean image and then try to make sense out of the image and then aword also again try to turn that into an image. So explain then alittle bit. For an example, let's talk about get vaccinated. How doyou end up setting up that shot? Do you envision the feet with atoe tag first, or do you get into the I don't know where,if you did the photo shoot, would you get into this photo studio,let's call it, get the model up on the table and then start thinkingof what you want to shoot? Does which one? Does one come first, or how's that go? Already had the image in my mind first,got the image popped up and it was it was just like what where?I took an image of what I took the photo of. Yeah, thatwas exactly what I saw first in my mind, with the only correction wasthe writing on the tag with handwritten and it wasn't actually printed right. Yeah, so I did change that to more of a printed style type. Yeah, levels like a old like a bureaucratic typewriter. Look there. Yeah,yeah, so that was the only change from what I saw in my mindand I the image that I had was much more bigger. But then alsotry to make images and I focus on budget because I try to make themachieve as possible. Yeah, and well, and they're concise, like visually concise. I'm consider myself a minimalist generally and I think people lack self editingand your photos show a nice use of self editing. Like you cut itdown to the minimum without cutting the way...

...too much. Right. You tryto just, you know, like I said, that budget, keep itdown, try to keep it simple. I don't want to make things toocomplicated for people to understand the message. Yeah, to explain like a photoshoot for you, how long does it take? What kind of gear doyou use and those sort of things. Okay, so once I get theidea, obviously I start planning it and accumulating props and things that I mayneed. I have a light set. I can't think of the name ofit right now, but it's a constant light, like a hilly lights.No, it's not led, it's an actual ball. WHO's like a eighthundred water I think, or five hundred what? But I have two ofthose and then there's a smaller one but I usually try to either use twolights or one light set up. And then I said everything up in mydining room. No, kid actually have a studio, so I move likethe dining table out and I'll use a for that that photo they were justtalking about, I used a sheet, kind of nailed it up to thewall and let it hang down. That's how I got the black background.It's really dark. Yeah, yeah, and then I also have a whiteone that I'll use also. Then I set everything up and you know,everything's already planned out in my mind and I usually can get my shot withinfive shots. Wow, I guess that's the advantage of having a vision,right, because I do a lot of street photography and I can't plan anythingand I end up having to take like a hundred shots just to get onethat I would even present to anybody. Yeah, so that's kind of areal flip right there, having the vision and knowing what you want to seein your camera before you ever start. What about Blm? That was thatin your living room too? Where's that outside? That looks like a sunflairright. Yeah, that one's actually outside. That was when I was really juststarting to learn. Yeah, so, and I was putting ads out forpeople to let me take their portraits. Oh Cool, and this guy contactedme and said Hey, you know, you want to do this? It'slike yeah, like, can I wear my my blm shirt? Iwas like sure, let's do this. Yeah, please do I'm brought Ithink, and I do this with the flag, and he's like yeah,let's do it. So we went out took photos. Dude, that cameup sick looking. Looks Great. Yeah, I was really happy with that one. I got a lot of good photos out of that one. Actually, what you said, you put ads up, so tell me a littlebit about that. That's pretty bold. That's an audacious thing to do.Yeah, I put ads up on facebook, just sort of like local, oflike the classified it's like hey, little market, tell you let metake you yeah, you let me take your picture, then I'll give youthe print for free. So it's just kind of like, if not,I'm not charging anybody anything. You know, I'm actually coming out of pocket here, but I get an image and I get practice and experience and moveforward from there because when I first started with a camera, one of myfavorite photographers, I really liked his work with Lee Jeffreys. He does alot of photography portraits with the home lift community. Right, yeah, andhis works very inspiring. So that was kind of like I want to kindof, you know, fit if I can do what he's doing in away as far as the look of it. Right, right, but then Ikind of gravitated and learned how I want to do things. Oh Yeah, Lee Jeffreys. I'm looking at his thing now. That dude. Alot of his photography looks like some of the classic photography taken during the sand during the does bull is really like gritty. You see all the wrinklesand pores and just the grit of a human face? Yes, really intendyeah, yeah, that is wild. Yeah, like just because if youget the right light in the right shadows, like a even a middle aged person'shands, you'll see all the wrinkles on their hands and their skin andeverything. That is awesome, very cool. Have you? Have you seen thethe giving hands that I did? Yeah, yeah, look at mybad and Yep, yeah, that's over on, that's not on dation.Yeah, and foundation. Yeah. How do you like the NFT thing?What? How's it been exploring it? I know it's really hard to sellanything, you know. So there's been difficult. It has been difficult where. But it's new, you know, a lot of people were still learning, a lot of people still coming in. I felt one N ft, whichwas the United States of injustice. Nice, Congratstud that was in October. I haven't felt anything since. I felt prints, different kind of prints, but it is difficult, I think. I think the NT s faith ifgoing to be a good thing. Yeah, gonna be huge, forsure, but it's if challenging. Yeah,...

...are people aren't there yet. WhatI am glad about is that we're there. We're doing it first,not that I care about being first. A lot of times you hear thatyou're the the term bleeding edge, like we're up here losing money on gasand things like that, because we whatever. But I'm happy that I know thesethings now, happy that I know what gas even is and how aledge, I mean how a how will it works, and that I havesome fucking crypto coins now to play with them. You know, all thesethings are fine. So and plus, like like you, I'm an artistforever. I've been an artist and I'm not going anywhere. I see thisas a new tool. It really gets frustrating, obviously to artist, whenyou see junk and trashy art come out and make millions because they're part ofthe Crypto Bro Gang and I'm like, well, I fuck it. I'mnot that, I'm not sad, I'm not trying to beat that, I'mnot going to be that, but I am still an artist and I dolike the idea that we can lock in our intellectual property rights and get someroyalties forever into the future. so that's really empowering and encouraging for people tojust keep making art. Absolutely and, you know, for me to havea collector that hopefully one day will come along, they definitely got to havea specific taste for what I do. Yeah, it's not for everybody.Well, a lot of people away from it. Yeah, I'm well,I was born and raised generally in California, San Francisco and Los Angeles both.So your photography just hits home to me. It looks very comfortable.It reminds me of most of the art I grew up on, photography particularlypretty cool. What so you're in Georgia? Yeah, yeah, I'm in southGeorgia. That must be pretty wild. It is. I don't really haveany friends. So I'm the same, but I kind of I tried tolike I thought it was because I was in California. I didn't havea friends there. So and then I went to Louisiana, then Oklahoma.I just I'm a kind of person doesn't have friends. So I figured justmust be me and some just working on me right. But I noticed you. I had mentioned the other day on twitter that you gave your kid acameras. You have a son. Huh. Yeah, I have two sons,my oldest woman, who is he's eighteen, my daughter who is sixteen, and then my youngest is thirteen. Fantastic as guy three kids as well. Yeah, I gave him the camera Cuz, you know, teenage lifeis pretty tough, you know, a lot of things change seriously, andtrying to give him an outlet, you know. Yeah, now that's fantastic. I can't wait. The reason I brought that up is because kind ofwhat you're doing now, you're planting the seeds here in the metaverse, let'scall it, or just putting your art on the blockchain. This kind ofstuff will generate or generate, I was going to say generate generational wealth,but yeah, those are the two actual words that I meant to say.So the money that you make here could be left to all your kids andthen they'll pick up the torchs and start becoming artist perhaps, or at leastlearn the value of nfts for whatever endeavors they're involved with. So I alwayshope that my kids listen to this podcast and are out there making nfts and, you know, bringing home bags, but I don't actually know what theydo. Yeah, that would you know, that'd be great if they do generatewealth and they continue to be you know, make money on secondary sales, right, and they will go to my kids. That would be thatwould be wonderful. I think it will do. Look at your art.Your art is that kind of timeless photography that will like continue down. Lookslike could be in national geographic like we talked about before, the life time. So it's not going away and you can't and because you staged it,nobody else is going to capture that photography in the future either. They're goingto have to literally copy everything you did, and why? You know. Soabsolutely. Yeah, I think you've got a lot going on here.That's awesome. It's not gotten, you know, they're not getting there gettingrecognition, you know, from a lot of my friends on twitter, youknow, things like that, but collectors aren't really paying much attention to it, or at least I don't notice that. They could be on the five lineswatching and waiting, but yeah, I haven't noticed that. I don'tthink true art collectors have showed up yet. There are some interesting developments I've seenthat that'll make it better. I guess I forgot the name of theplatform, Thursday music platform. Now it's like one plus or stage up orsomething like that, where they basically, if you want to go buy amusic nft, you just put your credit card on the website. So theWebsite Converts immediately your credit card into crypto to an NFT and Bam you've gotit all. So once that happens, things will open up a lot morequickly. That's cool. That's kind of like I think was that coin base. They're kind of going to start doing nft, but think as far asallowing where people can buy them. Yeah, I could get it wrong about that. No, you're right. Well, I thought that. I think you'reright. I think they're opening their own NFT market place basically. Soif you have coins in your Coin Wallet or Your Coin Based Account, it'sgoing to be that much easier to buy... NFT. So really it getsback to us being so early, and part of being a creative person orartist is we're always looking for new things. So I yeah, we really arehere early. So I don't see any any harm and just building aportfolio, minting things don't necessarily have to put on for sale, because I'mthinking like, well, what if nothing cells in six months on open see? Like, well, like, I'm fine with that. I just likewell, literally, though, what happens? So do I have to pay forgas to take those off the chain or I don't know yet. Idon't think open sea has even been around six months. You know, Idon't. I don't know how long they've been around it because I've only Ionly discovered nfteeth in July and and I what I saw youtube video. Ican't remember who it was, but I saw youtube video and they was talkingabout, oh, everybody's moving over to twitter. It's for a photographers go, if you know, it's really popping over there as a weird eye right, because it means, yeah, instagram is the perfect thing for photography,for forever and now of a sudden everyone jumped onto twitter. Yeah, it'sI was like, let me go over to twitter and check this out.I had a twitter account, but it wasn't really do anything. Yeah,came back over and when I started in July, had eight, seven oreight followers right, and then I noticed that, wow, people are reallyover here, and then it just kind of grew from there and I sawHashtag Nft, hashtaging ifty, and I was like what is an innerity?Yeah, so then I looked it up. You know, Youtube is like,it's like a gold mine. I love it and I checked into itand started learning about it and then I jumped into it. So, youknow, if anybody knew out there thinking about jumping nfteeth, take your timeand research, don't rush it and don't click any links, especially the onesyou think are trying to be helpful. Oh, absolutely, answer that question. Come to my discord or my favorite one is the people who say theyhad their Wallet Act on twitter and then there's like five people in the commetsgoing hey, try out this expert over here, and they'll put a linkto an account with like five followers and some skizy weirdlooking profile pick. I'mlike, these are all hackers. They're all hackers claiming they got hacked andclaiming to help each other. I'm like, no, don't fall into those sesspits either. Yeah, also, don't, don't buy invitations to foundation. Nobody fell in the invitations to foundation. It's funny. How do you likebeing on foundation? You have a preferred platform or do you think theplatform really matters? I like open fee because of cheaper. If you know, I paid the one time fee and then I can go on and mintas much as I want. Foundation is a little more expense of as faras that goes, you got to have, you know, the money up frontto men right away. So I prefer open see because of the expense. Yeah, I started looking into object TESOS. I'm a big TESOS fanbecause there's there's no gas. So half the time I'm just spent ranting aboutTeslos because there's no gas and there's a lot of artists and musicians have builttheir platforms and I jumped over to Teslos because, having been from the musicindustry, there was a lot of big music companies have deals with Tzo's basedplatforms. So I'm like, okay, well, if they're banking millions onthat without telling anybody, I'll just go dabbling it. So, yeah,use some tezos on objectscom is pretty cool too, because there's lots of coolcollectors. It's almost like that's where all the cool kids went to go startcollecting, like truly collect art instead of playing profile pick games. Yeah,yeah, but I know a lot. I don't know about the the marketplace you were just talking about, but I know the other one that thatone to replace. He was called Oh hen, but I don't know howto say it. Yeah, called Hen. Yeah, yeah, I think that'swhat's called an now hen people were over there and you'd go over thereand check it out and then you know they're filling their artwork for like acouple dollars, and I'm like yeah, I don't think so. Yeah,yeah, now they've. They've gotten wise though. Now people, especially withTesos, because it's much so the cool thing I found was that the twogas fees were next nothing, like pennies instead of dollars, literally, soto a mint something on tesl's. I think it cost me like seventy fivecents something like that, right, and I know that's a lot of it'sa huge reason why people were jumping over there. I think I've heard,you know, rumors about etherium to where they're supposed to be, like,Oh yeah, Uni gas these with that as well, but nobody knows whenthat's coming out, as far as I know. Yeah, my bets hedged. Have etherium and poably gone and Tezo's. I'm on open sea and I'm onobject. So and I see it as two different market place. Isee is open sea is kind of like the good mall. It's a NiceMall with the chanelle store all that shit in there. And I see object. No offense, I love object but...

I see it as the old commonmall, the Old Mall on the other side of town where they got thediscount stores. Yeah, so I priced things accordingly and I designed things accordinglyand you know, people get different levels of art, but it's still it'sall experiment. I think it's fascinating. It's sometimes it's too much for meto think about. I get a little hyper about it, but it's fun. Why not be there? Yeah, it's a little overwhelming sometimes. Thatand foundation. It seems like if like where, if prevented the people withOh this is where the higher end, the higher quality work is placed,I think. So turth of open see and I'm like, listen, I'mgoing to put my work where I can afford to put it. was isfoundation by approval or invite only? Foundation, you have in invitation only. See, I think as a legit right later you can go and you know, you can obviously set up something in purchase, but as far as acreator goes, yeah, you got to have an invitation. You gotta likeapply and be approved right now. If I mighty just gave me an invitation, wowcome and I just went on. And so it's got. You gotto get it from another creator. Oh, kind of like when a clubhouse andthose things came out last year. Tells how they work. You hadto get invitation AAn before opened up to everybody. They were doing that forlike three months. Really. Yeah, yeah, it was weird. Ijust got on club house recently. Do you like it? I'm not.I'm not a fan of club house or discord. I can't do discord.Too much for me to overwhelming. I do like conversations. What I'm thinkingof doing, that's why I brought it up, is the folks that I'vetalked to on this podcast is forming a small cabal of people that's could doa twitter spaces together. So if there's four or five of us, there'spower and numbers, right, and then if we get up there and hostas a group and we invite our you know, few followers, well it'sgoing to look like a big twitter spaces all of a sudden and it mightbe actually pretty impactful. That could be. That sounds like a great idea.Yeah, because the folks I've talked to are interested in doing it,but nobody wants to do it alone, which I understand. I don't wantto do it alone either, but I'm like, Whoa, and we've alltalked. Now we're all like talkable. We can talk on the on amic and, you know, we get our point across clearly. So likeyeah, so I'm going to put you on the list, dude, willdo some twitter spaces after the first of the year and ramp that up,because there's any way to help each other out. Oh yeah, that soundsgood. I haven't. I've been in the twitter spaces and I've listened.I've spoke maybe once or twice. You know, I don't really like publicspeaking very much, but I'm trying to trying to evolve and get used toit, do it more so it doesn't make me as nervous or give meany anxiety. Yeah, hope of flow. I'll get better at that. Ithink the same thing, because I don't like public speaking either and Idon't think what we're doing qualifies as public speaking to me. It just likeit's two people talking, we happen to be recording and then it goes onthe on the Internet for everyone to hear. But I don't feel any pressure rightnow. You know, with right that's how yeah, exactly. Ifeel the same way. And then as we've talked, I've gotten more comfortablewith you and the whole setting. So it does help to do things thisway. But if I if we had other people in the room right now, it might make a little difficult. Yeah, yeah, I agree.I think there's some magic still to podcasting. A lot of things keep rushing bylike Oh, are you going to do live stream? You do video, and I'm like no, I don't know. I like I drive alot, so I like things that I can do with just my ears becausemy eyes are busy doing other things. So just the one on one podcast. I Love Them. So I think, Oh, yeah, yeah, thisis a good way, but it is like a gateway drug to usbeing public speakers in a thing like twitter spaces. That seems like the nextlogical kind of small step, without freaking anybody out too much, including myself. Yeah, you know, I like twitter spaces as far as you know, being able to bring people together and everybody to share ideas together one time. It's great for conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome,man. What's a good way for people to your favorite way? What's yourpreferred way for someone listening to follow you or get in touch with you,to check out your artwork? The best way is twitter. Cool, cool, and that is at Shawn F H a. you in underscore Johnson Seventeen, and I will also put the link to that down in the note,so if you're clicking around, you can just click right to Sean's twitter account. I'll also put your opensee thing too, so there are fewer clicks away fromactually seeing your photography. Because that's great, dude, and you've gotit priced really fairly. So I think it should move. And you know, I was trying to be encouraging. But one of the things we weretalking about the last podcast was there's over two million songs on spotify that havenever ever been played, including by the people that posted them. So partof the issue with quality art? It's not it's just that we're not inthe investor CRYPTOBRO club sharing around whatever trading cards were trying to hype up tomake more money. We're that's just not... So true artists have tosupport each other. So when I see good art and I'm like, well, that's an awesome person, let's let's ask how did you get so awesome? How did you do the thing? Because I think that really gives mylisteners hope that there's, you know, other things you can do in lifebesides working for the man, contributing to a capitalist, you know, downfallof the world and just being miserable. You could actually change through art.So I really appreciate you sharing all what you do and and the quality ofyour art. Yeah, and I you know, I appreciate your support.John. Every time, you know, we've had interactions on twitter, it'sbeen pleasant. I appreciate that and I appreciate, you know, the supportand give to me this platform to speak and, you know, tell mystory a little bit. So it's I do still working out of five,though I'm not living off my art. Yeah, yeah, same thing.I think we'll continue to do that for, you know, a couple of years, but the fact that we're starting, we're in it right now and ourstuff is available on the the blockchain if anybody wants to buy art likethat. So definitely continue to hype your art and I will put your linksdown here and on the show notes for the listener. So, man,you did killer. I there's hardly anything I have to clip out, whichmeans I can get this episode out real soon. Well, I'm appreciate.I appreciate. I'm glad that it's been very easy for you. Yeah,yeah, how was it for you? Good? Oh, yeah, Ienjoyed it and you know, I wouldn't mind doing it again. Cool,then we will do it again because, you know, once I find aguess that actually works, it's much easier to go back and say, Hey, let's check in with Shawn and see how he's doing for Valentine's Day oryou know however that works out. It sounds good. Yeah, I definitelyhave. I have more art. I have about four to five pieces rightnow that I want to get done. I haven't put out much lately,but it's been mostly because of the holidays. It's been real busy, you know, with family and things like that. So hopefully I can get some artout very soon. Well, I think you've got enough to get peoplestarted for sure. Like, we don't have to create a piece a day, or even a piece a month or anything like that. Right, sotake that's the goal. Actually, I try to create one a month.That leaves okay, that's a reasonable schedule. I watch a lot of old artdocumentaries and man, we push ourselves so much harder than the artist ofthe past. They would just like make our whenever they felt like it andsat around a drink wine and did cocaine and whatever they did. And I'mlike what the Hell? We're all sitting here with road maps development teams.I'm like, now, let's back up a second. Let's go back tothe days of like Picasso or some Shit. I'm going to the Mediterranean. Wasgonna paint when I feel like it, can drink wine all day. Soyeah, not to mention social media, full time job. It is afull time to just promoting, and we've talked about this on the showbefore. A lot of artists we like creating art. We do not likeself promotion. It feels gross. It's just weird and it feels like atime suck, especially when you're always denied, like decline, no, not buying. I'm like fuck, was why am I even here? So,yeah, I kind of everything in some all doses right, because I stillneed time to go outside and get some fresh air and look at the animalsand get inspired to make the next thing, because I'm definitely not inspired to makeanything while I'm staring at twitter. Definitely, and people, you know, take breaks whenever you feel you need to. You're tired, you're frustrated, to step away for you know, Short period of time. Yeah,breathe exactly. I'd like. You know, I lied. I am actually inspiredwhen I look at twitter. That's wow. That's how I found you. I'm looking at your work right now. I'm like, Oh, yeah,I got it. I got to get a better camera. I gotto go do some shit right now. So that's right. What are youshooting with? anyways? What do you shoot with? primarily, how shootwith a cannon, rebel t six nice. Yeah, I'm hoping that I cansell enough art and favor up for a phony, a seven Ur forthat's what I want. Oh yeah, those are bad ass. Let's imagestabilizations pretty awesome, but it doesn't look like you need are you shooting withthe tripod on all these? It looks like for most of them I do. Some of them I don't, but most of them I do. Yeah, the TRIPOD, you know, give it less shake. Even they couldtell there's something super solid about Tripod shots. Yes, and I actually just boughta Tripod I couple months back. So killer. You doing it right, man. I appreciate you, dude. So anytime you want to come on. We'll stay in contact through twitter, of course. I'm going to promotethis off and on for the next several days. I usually put itin my little auto post Q. So yeah, it's sometimes it shows upat zero in the morning because I'm like well, we're if someone in Japanwants to see this or you know whatever. Yeah, so that's not me justbeing obsessive. I just generally post a lot of stuff like that becauseI think of twitter is like a river and if you're standing on the edgeof the river and you and it goes by, you miss it. SoI don't have any problem like posting what seems like an assassant, incessant amount. You'll probably notice it because you'll be...

...tagged in it, but that's that'sfine. Just find it, find me the length and I'll promoter as well. Yeah, cool, I just retweet whatever you want to do. There'sno pressure, it just it. The podcast just grows like a tank.It just keeps going and going and growing and growing without me having to domuch of anything that I don't like to do. So do what? Maybehow many have you done before? I've been doing this for there's like ahundred and something episodes really. Yeah, I've been doing it since before trump. Wow, yeah, I did not know that. Yeah, it justwill because of subtle you know, just been I just creep along, justdo my little thing. But, like I said in that when we startedI didn't really have a super tight focus. Earlier in the podcast it was justme winding about being mentally ill at the moment, but now I'm lessmentally ill and I'm like, Oh, let's focus on cool things, likethe things mentally ill people do like create art or you know, whatever.Yeah, clear goal really will change a lot, you know, far aswhat you can achieve in the sixths. And that's why I'll get it.I'll get image in my mind or something and I'm like, I want toput this together, but my my purpose of it's just not clear enough.You know, my methode of a clear enough. So I'll, you know, think about a little longer. Yeah, I do the same thing like allthe time. Like I don't like for two thousand and twenty two I'mlike, I have three art projects in mine and not not a one ofthem is super defined, but they're all awesome. I'm like, well,pick one and go take the other two behind the shed and shoot him justthat's hard to like decline your ideas because he's always think everyone's good, orI wouldn't have thought of it. But right, yeah, it's going tobe happy to well, I had to learn to look at my work objectively. You know, is it really as good as I think it is?You know what's wrong with this? What could be better? Can I dosomething different here? You know? Yeah, yeah, if that's hard to selfedit to, and it's also hard when most of the people around you, if you're doing work better than they can do already. All they're goingto tell you as yeah, it's fucking awesome. So it's hard to findlike a true critic to say, yeah, you could have adjusted light here littledifferently, or would I would have done? Like? I don't havethat person. So it's always selfdiscovery and making lots of mistakes. Yeah,well, I always look at it, you know, I typically get ithow I want to and I don't have too many people say, you know, you need to do this different or you should have done this. Idon't really get that very much. I don't. I don't know why.I kind of expected people would. Yeah, I was listening to a street photographyshow and the two guests had apparently met a famous street photographer and whenhe had asked them to bring their portfolio for him to critique, they hadbrought a portfolo that was so well refined that the street guy said, well, there's nothing for me to critique. You clearly have a voice already.And like Oh, yeah, that's true. Like if someone has a vision ina voice and they're on their way, well, you don't. Critics don'thave anything to do with that. They step out of the way andlet him continue there and be exactly he is. Not The good way tolook. Yeah, I think that's the point of ours. Like, onceyou've established a voice, like when I look at your photography and I'm like, Oh, that's definitely a Sean Johnson, then you're doing your job. Thenyou could do anything. Yeah, very much so, and I appreciatethat. You know, I do have other things that I do plan todo that aren't social, you know, just this related. Sure. So, I don't know how much that will look like my other work. Yeah, that'll be exciting. Yeah, it will be cool. Man, willcome on and tell me about it when you get around to that. AndWow, thanks for coming on. Send out. Tell your family thanks forsharing you with the rest of us for a Saturday. I appreciate that alot and and have a happy holiday, if whichever one. Just celebrator,if you don't Celebratinadia, I just hope you have a safe and happy one. While everyone else around us is in the mode, I'm like, allright, shift in the Christmas mode a little bit. So right, Iappreciate you having me on. I really enjoyed it. Hope to do itagain and thanking you happy holiday which everyone can celebrating. Yeah, do andI look forward to doing this. Fantastic man. I really appreciate you,dude, and I'll talk to you on twitter, all right, thanks,Shane. Take care everybody, and now back to the wall.

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