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Episode · 4 months ago

Shaun Johnson | Art Photographer | Georgia, USA

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

John talks with art photographer Shaun Johnson (Georgia, USA) about using his photography as a tool for social justice, and to lift himself from depression

Topics include …

  • Feeling we are here with an important mission to achieve
  • Shaun’s attempt at screenwriting
  • Photography for social justice
  • Photography as a true art form
  • Working with papier-mâché
  • Photography to ease depression
  • Where does inspiration come from?
  • How is the NFT thing going?
  • Planting the seeds for generational wealth
  • Shaun’s favorite NFT platform

Shaun can be contacted through his Twitter profile: @Shaun_Johnson17

Shaun's photography can be purchased on OpenSea: https://opensea.io/collection/shaun-johnson-photos

What's up friends, welcome to another exciting episode of live from Emo Dojo. Today we have not just any Sean Johnson, the Sellon Johnson, the famous nft art photographer representing Georgia United States. You can love this conversation. I loved it. Actually, I like talking artist a lot. I've got some documentary filmmakers coming up, some authors of books that are not mental health books and plenty of like artists, like painters and graphic designers, musicians, you name it, they're all coming up. I'm having a blast and I hope you are too. If you do like what you're listening to and you have it within you, please stop by apple and leave a review. I noticed I haven't had a review in like two years. Anyway, do that if you got the time. I know it's kind of a pain in the ASS, but it would be nice. That said, let's jump on into this. You're going to love this guy, man. We just chat about all kinds of things. We keep it light. Seems to be a very agreeable person and man good conversation. So live from Emo Dojo, this is Sean Johnson. I feel you. That paid a though that that means the field collector get paid. Yeah, it means the wolves are at bay for another week and a half or so. Absolutely. Yeah, that does suck. I was watching the DMX story on HBO. They got a series called music box where they do different stories that didn't like Kenny G and DMX and random bunch of people. The DMX one was awesome because they followed him from the day he got out of prison for tax evasion and then all the way up till his final day. Is Pretty intense, but one of the check that out. Yeah, it was awesome. Is Excellent. I was a big fan him. I'm like generation x, so he was writing my muttering, my wheelhouse. They're a man at yeah, and that dude had bipolar to he rarely talked about it, but once he mentioned it and that I started to notice what he was making the news stories for. I'm like Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, that's definitely a mode right there, right, but he yeah, the one telling thing was he got signed to like a half million dollar deal back at a death cham after he got out. You know, they want to do like a retro town of album with them, and they show them in that meeting. He's like yeah, whatever, what her fuck Youah, sure, great, half million. Cool. Well, the next cut of the video they show him just fucking angry because he's on a phone with like his lawyer or bookkeeper, something like oh well, you got this three hundredzero dollar judgment here, then you got this hundred and Twentyzero dollar judgment, and she they're just listing all these judgment so he's basically fucking broke immediately after he signed a deal and like fuck yeah, isn't that how it goes crazy and that will yeah, Dude. So Um man, thanks for showing up. Thanks for being here. It's hard to get people to show up, and especially if you've not talked like you know it is actually right now. I'm sure it's fine, but that few moments right up to it's like a kind of nervous Oh yeah, yeah, yes, it's kind of difficult for me because I just I don't know if it's like I don't want to come off as dumb or, you know, anything like that, and I have a little bit of a lift. I like it. It's it makes you unique and one of my best friends has a way more intense list than that and the only time we ever fuck with each other's when we drink, but he has pretty good am too, because I've got bipolar disorder, so you know, I don't have a lot of legs to stand on this. So now I like it makes you unique and that's fantastic, dude. So yeah, greetings, welcome you. You have a great radio boy. Man, I like to talk. I just I like to talk. That's all the other like the fucking talk. I can't shut up, you know, just a spas. So finally, after practicing podcasting for a while, I think I found my niche and it's finding other creatives, because when I first started this podcast, it was all about mental health and then I read a thing that, you know, tripped me. I had a little bit. Said, well, you become what you focus on, and I'm like, oh well, the podcast is all me complaining about what was me, my mental health, this or that. I'm like that's what I became. Like well, I'm a creative person. Let me get back to that. And I was struggling to find like a topic for the podcast, but now it seems perfect. It's like people, artists specifically, who are into mental health and then with the dose of Technology. So yeah, we ended up with NFTS for the past several weeks. I'm digging it. I love it. Hey, yeah, I love you. I Love Your Voice on twitter. To this is we'll get into this. This is cool because on twitter everyone has a different voice, like is it, and mine is typically fuck the man, fuck everything and Fuck all fascist type ideas. Right, right, and I think you share that with me a lot, and I...

...could tell and a lot of your photography it's very social justice oriented, very much. So I love that. How did you get well, how did we cross paths on twitter? I think I follow people who's already like and I love your photography. After I get done with my emo Dojo kind of concept art project, I'm going to get back to photography, which is my real passion, and yours really stood out. I appreciate that. How did you get started, dude? How did you get started? First and photography, or was it something else entirely? Well, UM, so I've it's gonna found kind of dumb maybe, but I've always had thought of a feeling in thought of where I'm supposed to do something important. Yeah, and and that's kind of like sent me on a path of trying to figure out what it is, and I've gotten to where I was starting to write. I tried screenwriting and I didn't do very well at it. It was some the theme was really hard to kind of fit fit in there, and that would make me a little bit depressed. And then there were things, you know, going on in the world with humanity and social issue for sure, would bother me and I wanted to express it and I wasn't good at writing like I was saying, so I decided to express it in pictures. I could say what I wanted to say, would putting things together and making a clear point, and once it got out of me, then I had a relief, a relief, a lightning of the weight, and I felt much better. I feel that. Yeah, I definitely that lightning that you mentioned. It's almost like true artist. I don't want to like say there's false artist, but I mean the ones that I am gravitated towards seem to have to have something that got to get out of them, like you're not going to stop until it actually gets out, whether it's in the form of music or writing and, in your case, photography. Is that kind of how you felt like it just it's coming out one way or the other. It has to come out at this is untenable the way it is now. Absolutely because, you know, with you know a lot of the light with George Floyd. Yeah, and watching all that that that really bothered me and I feel like I needed to say something. Right. Maybe it wasn't directly, you know, related to that incident, but the overall the aspect of it, and it sort of torments me inside, like I just got to get this out and then I'll come up with the idea, I'll put it together and take the picture and edit it and once it's all done, it over with, I can look at it and I can feel the relief that I said what I needed to say. Yeah, yeah, when you were trying to do screenwriting, was it the formatting or the thoughts? Getting two thoughts into words? Because I've tried screenwriting before too, and to me it wasn't so much the idea, because I I ruminate on the idea all the time, but getting it out into words, into the format of a screenwritten, like final draft thing. I'm like, this is too much. I got to move on. Right. They know the the format of it was easy. The technical side of it was easy. I had the idea of it's just understanding, comprehending, I guess, how to put theme into it. Yeah, and to show it everything throughout the screenplay and then have the overall point come together at the end. It was very difficult and I just learned that I was better with pictures than I was with words. Yeah, you're great at photography. How how? How long ago or how young were you when you started photography? kind of serious sleep seriously, it's been two years. Wow, that's impressive. What what was your experience with cameras and photography up to that point? Zero, no kidding, just cell phones and stuff like that, taking pictures of whatever you saw. He yeah, that was very rare that I would even do that. But I'll I saw a photography as an art and I was like I could draw. Okay, it's not nothing great. I have been draws, you know, I would draw, but when I was a very small child and I had a friend who was really good, I mean he was very impressive. He draw down a thor's in the scale zone. Them would be just or the skin would be just awesome, while I was like, yeah, I'm not that good, so I'm going to quit. I have a buddy. Let that. Yeah, like my best friend from forever. He is such an amazing illustrator and that's what he just likes to do. He doesn't try to sell it or is not on NFTS. He just way better at me than me at that stuff. We all got that friend right. Absolutely. So I'm you know, later on I tried writing, because I like writing and I don't like to read very much, but writing yes. And then, anyhow, after I figured...

...out I couldn't do that very well, I needed another outlet, and photography thing like art to me, and I picked up a camera and I kind of played with it a little bit and I put it down, picked it up, play with it a little bit, put it down, did that a couple times and then I was like I'm going to give this a furious go. So then I started learning, you know, all the techniques and you know everything technical about the camera that I could learn and and just kind of develop from there. And then it got to the point to where you kind of hit a feeling as far as like okay, I know all of this, this is kind of boring. Now I need to challenge myself. So I've started telling myself with, you know, different ideas and creations your art really, I mean you're here, your photography really is art. It's I mean it's up there because it's so well let me explain it because we're on audio show. I'll explain it to what I'm seeing, to the listener. Okay, so it is intense staged black and white photography. Much of it is symmetrical. I was watching Stanley Kubrick's full metal jacket earlier this morning. Yeah, and I was stunned at how every single scene was like a perfect scene, just staged, symmetrical and like, Oh, this is what makes this magic. And Yours very much the same way. There's a lot of play with contrast, hard blacks and hard whites, with the the grays in the in between and from most of almost everything I've seen of your so far as black and white right shown. Yeah, for the moth part everything is black and white and you, you're great. I do like symmetry and I do like hard blacks and hard white to, you know, very contrasted. Yeah, and it's easy to say that, but without seeing your work, the listener has to go. So if you're on the internet or whatever while you're listening, if you're able to go to OPENSEE DOT IO and look for Sean Johnson photos, Shaun and you'll see he's under their under fire brand, and then you'll understand what we're talking about as we keep going. So yeah, sewand, it's it's really impeccable because we've, I've grown up my whole life scene stage shots from everywhere from the sears photo studio to Glabor shots and then my friend used to do bikini girls and hot rod shows and all the whole thing. Right, but this is something different. What the way you're stage in your shots is as if it's the subject is a sculpture on to itself. Very much folk. I mean I could pick up any of them. The toes with the toe tag. That that's ideal. The really intense mask ignoring their cries, that piece like that is wild, that unto itself. If you saw that not in photographic form, it's an art piece. But then your photography takes it to a whole new level because you apparently, I've taught yourself light angle and contrast and all these things. So it's really impressive. Thank you very much, and you are right. The the mask which is ignoring their cries, as a good one. But mask of horrors seems to be getting a lot more attention, and understand why. But the mask is an art of its own. It took me sixteen hours to make that mask. Yeah, that's a really interesting piece. The mass that we're talking about is paper machee. It looks like with yeah, intense like news headlines. And is that clip from the news headlines or some kind of collage ors that? Did you customize that and like printed on paper? How did you do that? Absolutely I was going for a newspaper look. It looks like. Yeah, so I tried to get several different fonts and I type these out, a printed them out, cut them up and then glue them onto the mask, trying to give it up, you know, the newspaper Look, and I thought I did pretty good. It looks like it. To me. It looks like newspaper that somehow you searched for like decades of cool headlines, not cool, obviously, like really heartbreak. It headlines like Parkland and things like that. and to me it from this distance, in this angle and the photo, looks like paper Machee, but it sounds like you just you put this on like a mass. You you just had like a what is that? Hoppy mask? So that kind of thing. That's actually a mold of my head, by a paper mache mold of my faith in my head. It actually covers the back of my head a little bit. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, I did that and created that it. Like I said, it took sixteen hours and I could never duplicated, I promise. Yeah, that's the great thing about your art. You can't duplicate it. For One a photography is inherently, almost in part were virtually impossible to duplicate. But what you've done in staging, the props and things like that, like the anarchy fists, that's Great. Always fancy myself anarchist, not a troublemaker. Just exactly. I don't I'm not a terrorist, I'm not a criminal. I just don't think we need rulers or gods. That's all. And I write. Well, I am and most pieces,...

...most of my work, I am to the point and they have a meaning, specific meaning. It's not, it's not always, you know, writing your faith, but most everything I do is, you know, intentional. Yeah, yeah, it's provocative, for sure, it's not alarming. You know, it's not Jesus Christ in a jar of P or anything like that. But it is definitely eyecatching and makes you stop and think. This looks like life magazine kind of photography, especially the United States of injustice with the hands bound behind the back in an American flag. Yes, that's intense. That could totally be the cover of Time magazine. I agree. Yeah, was that you're intend to make these kind of epic shots when you first started to get serious about photography. Well, as it was one a release there and, you know, an outlet, but the ideas to create change with my photography in the world, because I believe in the power of art. Right, and these pieces are exactly what you said. They're meant to make people stop and think and and question. You know, are we doing things the right way? This is a theory. If issue, maybe I should look in on myself. Am I doing the right thing right? Yeah, the the art is very powerful and you know, if you can take an image and if somebody walks by and see it and they stop for a second and they even question, just for a second, and that Peef has done its job. I agree. I think all of your pieces do that and that, I really think, is one of the great things about art. Plus, it's really like a universal language. Your art is not speaking in any you know, language of a certain country or any nationality or anything like that. These will mean very similar things shown to people around the world. I agree, which is interesting too, because it's going to be slightly different thing to every individual that looks at it, but you will get a similar reaction from people everywhere. Yes, I believe so. And you know, it's like I want to make a difference with my art, and obviously I know that. Yeah, my arts powerful. It's not going to change the world, but it's intent, if to get people to change themselves for the better, that over all we change the world together. That's the idea, that's the you know, that's the whole purpose of it. Yeah, that's nice. You kind of provoking unity in a sense. Yes, I like it. But what's your experience with mental health and things like that, because I know just by the nature of your post, and you know push back if I'm prying too much. I don't mind at all, but I noticed, I think you alluded to depression one time, maybe several weeks ago, and I don't want to lay that on you if it's not accurate, but do you have experienced like dealing with week? Yes, how do you? How do you? Is this an outreach of your way to use, is yourself expression, a way to manage your mental health? Yes, I haven't been diagnosed with anything, but over the course of my life I've noticed, you know, I'll have down times, I'll be have up times and then my downtimes, they may last a month, they may last hour. You you just never know how long, right it's going to last. And recently I have noticed when I'm starting to go down into these these low you know, these low places. Yeah, and use photography to get me out of it, because when I make a piece, and if it's something about, something that's bothering me, I can make a piece about it, then it helps bring me out of it, and just taking pictures just really helps me in that way. It pulls me up and even if I go too long without taking pictures, not taking pictures will bring me down. So it's kind of something that I have to do. Yeah, do you. I was wonder about things like that. If if it's the distraction that pulls us away from our depressive feelings or feelings of anxiety or whatever around we happened to be experiencing. Is it the distraction, I wonder why? Is that why old men play golf, if they just need a distraction, because when you're doing things like art or perhaps golf, and not a Golfer, but I get the impression by looking at them that that's all they're thinking about, is golf. When I'm playing the drums, that's pretty much all I'm thinking about is the drums at that moment and I don't have the bandwidth to be depressed. So I often wonder if that's the case with many artists. Yeah, with photography it definitely is. When I'm when I'm putting together an image, a photo, setting everything up, that's all I'm thinking about. I'm making sure everything is in place like it should be. I'm thinking about the lighting, I'm thinking, you know, about all the camera settings, you know how angles are. I'm just everything involved with it is all my mind and just making sure it's right. And then I guess maybe also get a little...

...relief of their tone and you know, well, yeah, that's going on definitely. So there's a little dope on him. After I get published and people start clicking in like an arm, then you get the residual benefit of the dopamine very much. So. Yeah, so it helps me in that way. I mean I'll listen to music and things like that, but I'm still focused on, you know, the project at hand in it and that's all that on my mind. Yeah, yeah, what's what kind of music do you listen to? What's your favorite type of music? My favorite artist is Tom Delong. No, kidding, blank one hundred and eighty two and yeah, their way. Yeah, yeah, like my favorite it artist of all time. I like the sound of that. That guy's voice. He's always had the more unique of the two. Are you into his his alien investigation kind of stuff? No, not really. Yeah, I every time I said that. I've never I see it. I'm like, okay, that's fascinating. I mean I'm vaguely fascinated with all crazy weird things, you know, just space ship, big foot or whatever, but the moment you start spending time and money on I'm like, okay, cool buddy, great hobby, but right. Yeah, no, he was the I missed bleak one hundred and eighty two. Honestly, they were. They were cheesy to many people because I grew up with black flag and circle jerk. So by the time the second wave of punk came around, a lot of my age people were dissing it, but I'm like, well's fuck, it's fucking hyper and fast and fun. And listen to the guy's voice. I hear angst in that voice. I hear me sometimes in a lot of their songs, just and he was the voice in the band that I'm most resonated with, the sound in my head very much so for me, if will and to me, the we don't need to with for album, the hearst angels and Airwaite's album. Yeah, that to me is one of the greatest albums ever and it's mostly because how it it hits me emotionally. I resonate with every song on that album and that I left. I can't tell you anytime, but listen to it. Yeah, yeah, sometimes I get records like that throughout time, or a certain thing will happen in my life and that will be the CD in the player. Back in the day, like when I got divorced, there's a certain CD in my player and like that's my divorce CD or whatever. When my sister passed away, I had like a playlist on my ipod and like, oh, that's that's the Katie playlist right there. Yeah, yeah, music is super powerful. It's my next favorite thing to art, but I don't know, music might be my favorite form of art, I guess. But being a drummer, I just I don't always claim the role of a clap, quote unquote musician, but I really like it. It's one of those more universal things. Like your photography here, it's universal around the world. It will evoke a response similarly from people around the world, and music is the same way. Yes, definitely, and a music for me is if I need to get to a certain place when I'm making an image. Yeah, if the quickest way to pull those emotions, you can listen to thirtain types of music that will get you there and then you can really focus on what you need to say. Yeah, it's like almost like a trip. I'm guessing by looking at your stuff you have a vision in your mind first and then you work to achieve that vision in a frame. Is that accurate? For the most part, I get images are I get idea of three different ways. One way is it's an image, the second way is a word or praise, okay, and then the third way of just pure emotion. I'll take an emotion and I'll turn it into an image. I can take an image and then try to make sense out of the image and then a word also again try to turn that into an image. So explain then a little bit. For an example, let's talk about get vaccinated. How do you end up setting up that shot? Do you envision the feet with a toe tag first, or do you get into the I don't know where, if you did the photo shoot, would you get into this photo studio, let's call it, get the model up on the table and then start thinking of what you want to shoot? Does which one? Does one come first, or how's that go? Already had the image in my mind first, got the image popped up and it was it was just like what where? I took an image of what I took the photo of. Yeah, that was exactly what I saw first in my mind, with the only correction was the writing on the tag with handwritten and it wasn't actually printed right. Yeah, so I did change that to more of a printed style type. Yeah, levels like a old like a bureaucratic typewriter. Look there. Yeah, yeah, so that was the only change from what I saw in my mind and I the image that I had was much more bigger. But then also try to make images and I focus on budget because I try to make them achieve as possible. Yeah, and well, and they're concise, like visually concise. I'm consider myself a minimalist generally and I think people lack self editing and your photos show a nice use of self editing. Like you cut it down to the minimum without cutting the way...

...too much. Right. You try to just, you know, like I said, that budget, keep it down, try to keep it simple. I don't want to make things too complicated for people to understand the message. Yeah, to explain like a photo shoot for you, how long does it take? What kind of gear do you use and those sort of things. Okay, so once I get the idea, obviously I start planning it and accumulating props and things that I may need. I have a light set. I can't think of the name of it right now, but it's a constant light, like a hilly lights. No, it's not led, it's an actual ball. WHO's like a eight hundred water I think, or five hundred what? But I have two of those and then there's a smaller one but I usually try to either use two lights or one light set up. And then I said everything up in my dining room. No, kid actually have a studio, so I move like the dining table out and I'll use a for that that photo they were just talking about, I used a sheet, kind of nailed it up to the wall and let it hang down. That's how I got the black background. It's really dark. Yeah, yeah, and then I also have a white one that I'll use also. Then I set everything up and you know, everything's already planned out in my mind and I usually can get my shot within five shots. Wow, I guess that's the advantage of having a vision, right, because I do a lot of street photography and I can't plan anything and I end up having to take like a hundred shots just to get one that I would even present to anybody. Yeah, so that's kind of a real flip right there, having the vision and knowing what you want to see in your camera before you ever start. What about Blm? That was that in your living room too? Where's that outside? That looks like a sunflair right. Yeah, that one's actually outside. That was when I was really just starting to learn. Yeah, so, and I was putting ads out for people to let me take their portraits. Oh Cool, and this guy contacted me and said Hey, you know, you want to do this? It's like yeah, like, can I wear my my blm shirt? I was like sure, let's do this. Yeah, please do I'm brought I think, and I do this with the flag, and he's like yeah, let's do it. So we went out took photos. Dude, that came up sick looking. Looks Great. Yeah, I was really happy with that one. I got a lot of good photos out of that one. Actually, what you said, you put ads up, so tell me a little bit about that. That's pretty bold. That's an audacious thing to do. Yeah, I put ads up on facebook, just sort of like local, of like the classified it's like hey, little market, tell you let me take you yeah, you let me take your picture, then I'll give you the print for free. So it's just kind of like, if not, I'm not charging anybody anything. You know, I'm actually coming out of pocket here, but I get an image and I get practice and experience and move forward from there because when I first started with a camera, one of my favorite photographers, I really liked his work with Lee Jeffreys. He does a lot of photography portraits with the home lift community. Right, yeah, and his works very inspiring. So that was kind of like I want to kind of, you know, fit if I can do what he's doing in a way as far as the look of it. Right, right, but then I kind of gravitated and learned how I want to do things. Oh Yeah, Lee Jeffreys. I'm looking at his thing now. That dude. A lot of his photography looks like some of the classic photography taken during the s and during the does bull is really like gritty. You see all the wrinkles and pores and just the grit of a human face? Yes, really intend yeah, yeah, that is wild. Yeah, like just because if you get the right light in the right shadows, like a even a middle aged person's hands, you'll see all the wrinkles on their hands and their skin and everything. That is awesome, very cool. Have you? Have you seen the the giving hands that I did? Yeah, yeah, look at my bad and Yep, yeah, that's over on, that's not on dation. Yeah, and foundation. Yeah. How do you like the NFT thing? What? How's it been exploring it? I know it's really hard to sell anything, you know. So there's been difficult. It has been difficult where. But it's new, you know, a lot of people were still learning, a lot of people still coming in. I felt one N ft, which was the United States of injustice. Nice, Congratstud that was in October. I haven't felt anything since. I felt prints, different kind of prints, but it is difficult, I think. I think the NT s faith if going to be a good thing. Yeah, gonna be huge, for sure, but it's if challenging. Yeah,...

...are people aren't there yet. What I am glad about is that we're there. We're doing it first, not that I care about being first. A lot of times you hear that you're the the term bleeding edge, like we're up here losing money on gas and things like that, because we whatever. But I'm happy that I know these things now, happy that I know what gas even is and how a ledge, I mean how a how will it works, and that I have some fucking crypto coins now to play with them. You know, all these things are fine. So and plus, like like you, I'm an artist forever. I've been an artist and I'm not going anywhere. I see this as a new tool. It really gets frustrating, obviously to artist, when you see junk and trashy art come out and make millions because they're part of the Crypto Bro Gang and I'm like, well, I fuck it. I'm not that, I'm not sad, I'm not trying to beat that, I'm not going to be that, but I am still an artist and I do like the idea that we can lock in our intellectual property rights and get some royalties forever into the future. so that's really empowering and encouraging for people to just keep making art. Absolutely and, you know, for me to have a collector that hopefully one day will come along, they definitely got to have a specific taste for what I do. Yeah, it's not for everybody. Well, a lot of people away from it. Yeah, I'm well, I was born and raised generally in California, San Francisco and Los Angeles both. So your photography just hits home to me. It looks very comfortable. It reminds me of most of the art I grew up on, photography particularly pretty cool. What so you're in Georgia? Yeah, yeah, I'm in south Georgia. That must be pretty wild. It is. I don't really have any friends. So I'm the same, but I kind of I tried to like I thought it was because I was in California. I didn't have a friends there. So and then I went to Louisiana, then Oklahoma. I just I'm a kind of person doesn't have friends. So I figured just must be me and some just working on me right. But I noticed you. I had mentioned the other day on twitter that you gave your kid a cameras. You have a son. Huh. Yeah, I have two sons, my oldest woman, who is he's eighteen, my daughter who is sixteen, and then my youngest is thirteen. Fantastic as guy three kids as well. Yeah, I gave him the camera Cuz, you know, teenage life is pretty tough, you know, a lot of things change seriously, and trying to give him an outlet, you know. Yeah, now that's fantastic. I can't wait. The reason I brought that up is because kind of what you're doing now, you're planting the seeds here in the metaverse, let's call it, or just putting your art on the blockchain. This kind of stuff will generate or generate, I was going to say generate generational wealth, but yeah, those are the two actual words that I meant to say. So the money that you make here could be left to all your kids and then they'll pick up the torchs and start becoming artist perhaps, or at least learn the value of nfts for whatever endeavors they're involved with. So I always hope that my kids listen to this podcast and are out there making nfts and, you know, bringing home bags, but I don't actually know what they do. Yeah, that would you know, that'd be great if they do generate wealth and they continue to be you know, make money on secondary sales, right, and they will go to my kids. That would be that would be wonderful. I think it will do. Look at your art. Your art is that kind of timeless photography that will like continue down. Looks like could be in national geographic like we talked about before, the life time. So it's not going away and you can't and because you staged it, nobody else is going to capture that photography in the future either. They're going to have to literally copy everything you did, and why? You know. So absolutely. Yeah, I think you've got a lot going on here. That's awesome. It's not gotten, you know, they're not getting there getting recognition, you know, from a lot of my friends on twitter, you know, things like that, but collectors aren't really paying much attention to it, or at least I don't notice that. They could be on the five lines watching and waiting, but yeah, I haven't noticed that. I don't think true art collectors have showed up yet. There are some interesting developments I've seen that that'll make it better. I guess I forgot the name of the platform, Thursday music platform. Now it's like one plus or stage up or something like that, where they basically, if you want to go buy a music nft, you just put your credit card on the website. So the Website Converts immediately your credit card into crypto to an NFT and Bam you've got it all. So once that happens, things will open up a lot more quickly. That's cool. That's kind of like I think was that coin base. They're kind of going to start doing nft, but think as far as allowing where people can buy them. Yeah, I could get it wrong about that. No, you're right. Well, I thought that. I think you're right. I think they're opening their own NFT market place basically. So if you have coins in your Coin Wallet or Your Coin Based Account, it's going to be that much easier to buy...

...an NFT. So really it gets back to us being so early, and part of being a creative person or artist is we're always looking for new things. So I yeah, we really are here early. So I don't see any any harm and just building a portfolio, minting things don't necessarily have to put on for sale, because I'm thinking like, well, what if nothing cells in six months on open see? Like, well, like, I'm fine with that. I just like well, literally, though, what happens? So do I have to pay for gas to take those off the chain or I don't know yet. I don't think open sea has even been around six months. You know, I don't. I don't know how long they've been around it because I've only I only discovered nfteeth in July and and I what I saw youtube video. I can't remember who it was, but I saw youtube video and they was talking about, oh, everybody's moving over to twitter. It's for a photographers go, if you know, it's really popping over there as a weird eye right, because it means, yeah, instagram is the perfect thing for photography, for forever and now of a sudden everyone jumped onto twitter. Yeah, it's I was like, let me go over to twitter and check this out. I had a twitter account, but it wasn't really do anything. Yeah, came back over and when I started in July, had eight, seven or eight followers right, and then I noticed that, wow, people are really over here, and then it just kind of grew from there and I saw Hashtag Nft, hashtaging ifty, and I was like what is an innerity? Yeah, so then I looked it up. You know, Youtube is like, it's like a gold mine. I love it and I checked into it and started learning about it and then I jumped into it. So, you know, if anybody knew out there thinking about jumping nfteeth, take your time and research, don't rush it and don't click any links, especially the ones you think are trying to be helpful. Oh, absolutely, answer that question. Come to my discord or my favorite one is the people who say they had their Wallet Act on twitter and then there's like five people in the commets going hey, try out this expert over here, and they'll put a link to an account with like five followers and some skizy weirdlooking profile pick. I'm like, these are all hackers. They're all hackers claiming they got hacked and claiming to help each other. I'm like, no, don't fall into those sess pits either. Yeah, also, don't, don't buy invitations to foundation. Nobody fell in the invitations to foundation. It's funny. How do you like being on foundation? You have a preferred platform or do you think the platform really matters? I like open fee because of cheaper. If you know, I paid the one time fee and then I can go on and mint as much as I want. Foundation is a little more expense of as far as that goes, you got to have, you know, the money up front to men right away. So I prefer open see because of the expense. Yeah, I started looking into object TESOS. I'm a big TESOS fan because there's there's no gas. So half the time I'm just spent ranting about Teslos because there's no gas and there's a lot of artists and musicians have built their platforms and I jumped over to Teslos because, having been from the music industry, there was a lot of big music companies have deals with Tzo's based platforms. So I'm like, okay, well, if they're banking millions on that without telling anybody, I'll just go dabbling it. So, yeah, use some tezos on objectscom is pretty cool too, because there's lots of cool collectors. It's almost like that's where all the cool kids went to go start collecting, like truly collect art instead of playing profile pick games. Yeah, yeah, but I know a lot. I don't know about the the market place you were just talking about, but I know the other one that that one to replace. He was called Oh hen, but I don't know how to say it. Yeah, called Hen. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what's called an now hen people were over there and you'd go over there and check it out and then you know they're filling their artwork for like a couple dollars, and I'm like yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, now they've. They've gotten wise though. Now people, especially with Tesos, because it's much so the cool thing I found was that the two gas fees were next nothing, like pennies instead of dollars, literally, so to a mint something on tesl's. I think it cost me like seventy five cents something like that, right, and I know that's a lot of it's a huge reason why people were jumping over there. I think I've heard, you know, rumors about etherium to where they're supposed to be, like, Oh yeah, Uni gas these with that as well, but nobody knows when that's coming out, as far as I know. Yeah, my bets hedged. Have etherium and poably gone and Tezo's. I'm on open sea and I'm on object. So and I see it as two different market place. I see is open sea is kind of like the good mall. It's a Nice Mall with the chanelle store all that shit in there. And I see object. No offense, I love object but...

I see it as the old common mall, the Old Mall on the other side of town where they got the discount stores. Yeah, so I priced things accordingly and I designed things accordingly and you know, people get different levels of art, but it's still it's all experiment. I think it's fascinating. It's sometimes it's too much for me to think about. I get a little hyper about it, but it's fun. Why not be there? Yeah, it's a little overwhelming sometimes. That and foundation. It seems like if like where, if prevented the people with Oh this is where the higher end, the higher quality work is placed, I think. So turth of open see and I'm like, listen, I'm going to put my work where I can afford to put it. was is foundation by approval or invite only? Foundation, you have in invitation only. See, I think as a legit right later you can go and you know, you can obviously set up something in purchase, but as far as a creator goes, yeah, you got to have an invitation. You gotta like apply and be approved right now. If I mighty just gave me an invitation, wowcome and I just went on. And so it's got. You got to get it from another creator. Oh, kind of like when a clubhouse and those things came out last year. Tells how they work. You had to get invitation AAn before opened up to everybody. They were doing that for like three months. Really. Yeah, yeah, it was weird. I just got on club house recently. Do you like it? I'm not. I'm not a fan of club house or discord. I can't do discord. Too much for me to overwhelming. I do like conversations. What I'm thinking of doing, that's why I brought it up, is the folks that I've talked to on this podcast is forming a small cabal of people that's could do a twitter spaces together. So if there's four or five of us, there's power and numbers, right, and then if we get up there and host as a group and we invite our you know, few followers, well it's going to look like a big twitter spaces all of a sudden and it might be actually pretty impactful. That could be. That sounds like a great idea. Yeah, because the folks I've talked to are interested in doing it, but nobody wants to do it alone, which I understand. I don't want to do it alone either, but I'm like, Whoa, and we've all talked. Now we're all like talkable. We can talk on the on a mic and, you know, we get our point across clearly. So like yeah, so I'm going to put you on the list, dude, will do some twitter spaces after the first of the year and ramp that up, because there's any way to help each other out. Oh yeah, that sounds good. I haven't. I've been in the twitter spaces and I've listened. I've spoke maybe once or twice. You know, I don't really like public speaking very much, but I'm trying to trying to evolve and get used to it, do it more so it doesn't make me as nervous or give me any anxiety. Yeah, hope of flow. I'll get better at that. I think the same thing, because I don't like public speaking either and I don't think what we're doing qualifies as public speaking to me. It just like it's two people talking, we happen to be recording and then it goes on the on the Internet for everyone to hear. But I don't feel any pressure right now. You know, with right that's how yeah, exactly. I feel the same way. And then as we've talked, I've gotten more comfortable with you and the whole setting. So it does help to do things this way. But if I if we had other people in the room right now, it might make a little difficult. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think there's some magic still to podcasting. A lot of things keep rushing by like Oh, are you going to do live stream? You do video, and I'm like no, I don't know. I like I drive a lot, so I like things that I can do with just my ears because my eyes are busy doing other things. So just the one on one podcast. I Love Them. So I think, Oh, yeah, yeah, this is a good way, but it is like a gateway drug to us being public speakers in a thing like twitter spaces. That seems like the next logical kind of small step, without freaking anybody out too much, including myself. Yeah, you know, I like twitter spaces as far as you know, being able to bring people together and everybody to share ideas together one time. It's great for conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome, man. What's a good way for people to your favorite way? What's your preferred way for someone listening to follow you or get in touch with you, to check out your artwork? The best way is twitter. Cool, cool, and that is at Shawn F H a. you in underscore Johnson Seventeen, and I will also put the link to that down in the note, so if you're clicking around, you can just click right to Sean's twitter account. I'll also put your opensee thing too, so there are fewer clicks away from actually seeing your photography. Because that's great, dude, and you've got it priced really fairly. So I think it should move. And you know, I was trying to be encouraging. But one of the things we were talking about the last podcast was there's over two million songs on spotify that have never ever been played, including by the people that posted them. So part of the issue with quality art? It's not it's just that we're not in the investor CRYPTOBRO club sharing around whatever trading cards were trying to hype up to make more money. We're that's just not...

...us. So true artists have to support each other. So when I see good art and I'm like, well, that's an awesome person, let's let's ask how did you get so awesome? How did you do the thing? Because I think that really gives my listeners hope that there's, you know, other things you can do in life besides working for the man, contributing to a capitalist, you know, downfall of the world and just being miserable. You could actually change through art. So I really appreciate you sharing all what you do and and the quality of your art. Yeah, and I you know, I appreciate your support. John. Every time, you know, we've had interactions on twitter, it's been pleasant. I appreciate that and I appreciate, you know, the support and give to me this platform to speak and, you know, tell my story a little bit. So it's I do still working out of five, though I'm not living off my art. Yeah, yeah, same thing. I think we'll continue to do that for, you know, a couple of years, but the fact that we're starting, we're in it right now and our stuff is available on the the blockchain if anybody wants to buy art like that. So definitely continue to hype your art and I will put your links down here and on the show notes for the listener. So, man, you did killer. I there's hardly anything I have to clip out, which means I can get this episode out real soon. Well, I'm appreciate. I appreciate. I'm glad that it's been very easy for you. Yeah, yeah, how was it for you? Good? Oh, yeah, I enjoyed it and you know, I wouldn't mind doing it again. Cool, then we will do it again because, you know, once I find a guess that actually works, it's much easier to go back and say, Hey, let's check in with Shawn and see how he's doing for Valentine's Day or you know however that works out. It sounds good. Yeah, I definitely have. I have more art. I have about four to five pieces right now that I want to get done. I haven't put out much lately, but it's been mostly because of the holidays. It's been real busy, you know, with family and things like that. So hopefully I can get some art out very soon. Well, I think you've got enough to get people started for sure. Like, we don't have to create a piece a day, or even a piece a month or anything like that. Right, so take that's the goal. Actually, I try to create one a month. That leaves okay, that's a reasonable schedule. I watch a lot of old art documentaries and man, we push ourselves so much harder than the artist of the past. They would just like make our whenever they felt like it and sat around a drink wine and did cocaine and whatever they did. And I'm like what the Hell? We're all sitting here with road maps development teams. I'm like, now, let's back up a second. Let's go back to the days of like Picasso or some Shit. I'm going to the Mediterranean. Was gonna paint when I feel like it, can drink wine all day. So yeah, not to mention social media, full time job. It is a full time to just promoting, and we've talked about this on the show before. A lot of artists we like creating art. We do not like self promotion. It feels gross. It's just weird and it feels like a time suck, especially when you're always denied, like decline, no, not buying. I'm like fuck, was why am I even here? So, yeah, I kind of everything in some all doses right, because I still need time to go outside and get some fresh air and look at the animals and get inspired to make the next thing, because I'm definitely not inspired to make anything while I'm staring at twitter. Definitely, and people, you know, take breaks whenever you feel you need to. You're tired, you're frustrated, to step away for you know, Short period of time. Yeah, breathe exactly. I'd like. You know, I lied. I am actually inspired when I look at twitter. That's wow. That's how I found you. I'm looking at your work right now. I'm like, Oh, yeah, I got it. I got to get a better camera. I got to go do some shit right now. So that's right. What are you shooting with? anyways? What do you shoot with? primarily, how shoot with a cannon, rebel t six nice. Yeah, I'm hoping that I can sell enough art and favor up for a phony, a seven Ur for that's what I want. Oh yeah, those are bad ass. Let's image stabilizations pretty awesome, but it doesn't look like you need are you shooting with the tripod on all these? It looks like for most of them I do. Some of them I don't, but most of them I do. Yeah, the TRIPOD, you know, give it less shake. Even they could tell there's something super solid about Tripod shots. Yes, and I actually just bought a Tripod I couple months back. So killer. You doing it right, man. I appreciate you, dude. So anytime you want to come on. We'll stay in contact through twitter, of course. I'm going to promote this off and on for the next several days. I usually put it in my little auto post Q. So yeah, it's sometimes it shows up at zero in the morning because I'm like well, we're if someone in Japan wants to see this or you know whatever. Yeah, so that's not me just being obsessive. I just generally post a lot of stuff like that because I think of twitter is like a river and if you're standing on the edge of the river and you and it goes by, you miss it. So I don't have any problem like posting what seems like an assassant, incessant amount. You'll probably notice it because you'll be...

...tagged in it, but that's that's fine. Just find it, find me the length and I'll promoter as well. Yeah, cool, I just retweet whatever you want to do. There's no pressure, it just it. The podcast just grows like a tank. It just keeps going and going and growing and growing without me having to do much of anything that I don't like to do. So do what? Maybe how many have you done before? I've been doing this for there's like a hundred and something episodes really. Yeah, I've been doing it since before trump. Wow, yeah, I did not know that. Yeah, it just will because of subtle you know, just been I just creep along, just do my little thing. But, like I said in that when we started I didn't really have a super tight focus. Earlier in the podcast it was just me winding about being mentally ill at the moment, but now I'm less mentally ill and I'm like, Oh, let's focus on cool things, like the things mentally ill people do like create art or you know, whatever. Yeah, clear goal really will change a lot, you know, far as what you can achieve in the sixths. And that's why I'll get it. I'll get image in my mind or something and I'm like, I want to put this together, but my my purpose of it's just not clear enough. You know, my methode of a clear enough. So I'll, you know, think about a little longer. Yeah, I do the same thing like all the time. Like I don't like for two thousand and twenty two I'm like, I have three art projects in mine and not not a one of them is super defined, but they're all awesome. I'm like, well, pick one and go take the other two behind the shed and shoot him just that's hard to like decline your ideas because he's always think everyone's good, or I wouldn't have thought of it. But right, yeah, it's going to be happy to well, I had to learn to look at my work objectively. You know, is it really as good as I think it is? You know what's wrong with this? What could be better? Can I do something different here? You know? Yeah, yeah, if that's hard to self edit to, and it's also hard when most of the people around you, if you're doing work better than they can do already. All they're going to tell you as yeah, it's fucking awesome. So it's hard to find like a true critic to say, yeah, you could have adjusted light here little differently, or would I would have done? Like? I don't have that person. So it's always selfdiscovery and making lots of mistakes. Yeah, well, I always look at it, you know, I typically get it how I want to and I don't have too many people say, you know, you need to do this different or you should have done this. I don't really get that very much. I don't. I don't know why. I kind of expected people would. Yeah, I was listening to a street photography show and the two guests had apparently met a famous street photographer and when he had asked them to bring their portfolio for him to critique, they had brought a portfolo that was so well refined that the street guy said, well, there's nothing for me to critique. You clearly have a voice already. And like Oh, yeah, that's true. Like if someone has a vision in a voice and they're on their way, well, you don't. Critics don't have anything to do with that. They step out of the way and let him continue there and be exactly he is. Not The good way to look. Yeah, I think that's the point of ours. Like, once you've established a voice, like when I look at your photography and I'm like, Oh, that's definitely a Sean Johnson, then you're doing your job. Then you could do anything. Yeah, very much so, and I appreciate that. You know, I do have other things that I do plan to do that aren't social, you know, just this related. Sure. So, I don't know how much that will look like my other work. Yeah, that'll be exciting. Yeah, it will be cool. Man, will come on and tell me about it when you get around to that. And Wow, thanks for coming on. Send out. Tell your family thanks for sharing you with the rest of us for a Saturday. I appreciate that a lot and and have a happy holiday, if whichever one. Just celebrator, if you don't Celebratinadia, I just hope you have a safe and happy one. While everyone else around us is in the mode, I'm like, all right, shift in the Christmas mode a little bit. So right, I appreciate you having me on. I really enjoyed it. Hope to do it again and thanking you happy holiday which everyone can celebrating. Yeah, do and I look forward to doing this. Fantastic man. I really appreciate you, dude, and I'll talk to you on twitter, all right, thanks, Shane. Take care everybody, and now back to the wall.

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