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Episode · 2 months ago

What is Outcastverse? Featuring Conrad


John Emotions talks with Conrad about the genesis of Outcastverse — a new online community where mental health meets the arts utilizing NFTs.

In this episode you'll learn asnwers to questions like ...

  • Which artists can benefit from NFTs?
  • What do artists need to do to get started?
  • How did Outcastverse begin?
  • It’s all fund and game until someone gets an eating disorder
  • How long have you felt like an outcast?
  • What happens in Outcastverse?
  • Re-Valuing Artists and Their Art
  • How can I get involved in Outcastverse?

All these questions and many more secrets will be revealed on this very special episode of Emo Dojo. 

Warning: This episode discusses eating disorders.

And you know if you're like, if you'rean artist of any kind, now be someone who draws or paints or even themusician or dancer a singer like we want to help promote your work. We wantto help support you that was Conrad from outcast verse kind of that perfectguest for this type of show. Let me tell you what outcast verse is acommunity focused on mental health and artist, who couldn't be a better guess for thisshow than Conrad otherwise known in outcast first, as Rad Conrad Con, so here's my interview with him. I hopeyou enjoy it and is always you know remember to follow along hit. Thefollow button find me on twitter at Johnny motions. We can be friends so wanted to shout out to that forbeing so active on twitter and noticing cool things so yeah, I feel veryauspicious that would cross paths, especially when I got to your discord,server, outcast the verse and read what you guys were about and, like Oh yeah,these guys are kindred spirits. This is exactly what I what I think this is nfthing is about to yeah. That is amazing. She's been reachingout to all types of people, artists, musicians, people like you who careabout the mental health, space and she's. She has a heart, so we get intocontact with so many good people, and it really, you know, tjeme some badactors in the C space, but the people like you who really make a shine yeah,it's interesting and I'm super new to n FT, I'm not new to art or mental healthin it. It all just really kind of cross path, not more than two months ago. Ithink really, I'm not sure what the first thing I saw, probably like awired or forbs article, or something like that. But I'd heard about themquite a while back, because I was in the non profit space. So I knew that Crypto blockchain, generally speaking,would be such a great asset to the non profit space in the future. You'll beable to just see where non profits spend their money and they will eitherfail or thrive depending on how well they run, and I can't wait for that tohappen. Oh yeah yeah there is so much potential and Crypto web three NF. Youknow. Even I guess you could say the meadow verse at this point sincefacebook change their name. So there's that that the sealing is is islimitless and I can't wait to see yeah now. It's really wild, isn't it it'salmost a mind blowing for it for most of the people, I've known in thecreative space, the art space that are musicians, performers. You know fineartists and things like that. It's really interesting to see how allof this will finally get locked down into a you know, infinity time capsulefor future generations will actually see like. Oh that's the person thatcreated that that's where that came from with with proof like Providence, allthe way back to the start. I love that Oh yeah, and currently you know ftes itreally it's there for the artists who can you know, use, I guess software to draw things right,but it is still really untapped for those who do other forms of art, likemusicians, dancers, singers, and you know all sorts of different selfexpressions out there and I think in the future we will be able to sort ofreach that bridge where we can allow these other type of artists to showcasetheir passions and self expressions, and once we reach that point, I thinkthat's when, like wow things are, are really looking up. For you know, artists as a whole yeah. Ithink that's one of the great things too, because a lot of people that keepup with things in general saw bit coin happening. They just didn't have abunch of money sitting around to invest. They saw the com boom, probablyhappening. They didn't have much money to invest their artist. You know theclassic struggling artist Trope, but this time it seems way different,because you've got people that had invested back then with Crypto to spend,and the only thing artists really need to get involved is there. Art is thecreative passion and the willingness to try something new, Oh yeah, and we can get to this later.But there is a fallacy in the statement you just said in that we are heresupporting artists and notes, give the artist so many opportunities to gettheir name out. There become successful and share their creation, but there areso many more artists that get left behind in this pace like how many canjust compare the number of successful artists to the number of artists whocan't even sell you know one mt or yes or the Noga in a teases in general, andyou don't know how to other work right so yep that in itselft is like wow.This is this quite a t, ironic yeah. I...

...know it feels very much almostinstantly if you take the wide view very much like it's youtube all overagain. It like. Are you an influencer? Well, you got to do it right now, youbetter get in quick, because you know three months from now, things are goingto be different. Three years from now, things are going to be completelydifferent, see at the rate that face is growing a hundred percent yeah yeah. Iwas thinking about that one. You know the kind of thoughts that come to yourmind when you're in the shower it doesn't matter how good your art is. Itreally seems to matter how well you build community or a fan base, or youknow followers whatever you want to call it, but I think that's really whatimpressed me about your project that you know not attracted me to theoutcast first, let's talk a little bit about how that came into existence,because I think that is one of the keys to succeeding in the N ft space as anartist is to align yourself with communities in a really genuine way. Sohow did you come to start that? And did you come to ftes from art from TAC from?How did you get to that space to begin with all right? So this is, I guess, a longstory and I love it. I love long stories I'll try to make it as concisebut detailed as possible. So I'm actually a full time soffer engineerand I honestly do not get too muchfulfillment from that job. So after work, I you know have so much free time.I hang out with friends work out whatever, but just the meaning in lifewas not there right. So I guess I started with crypt in Crypto, perhapsfive years ago, when I first dabbed a little bit in Doge Coin Nice and I justwent on and off you know, investing here and there a little bin Critturrency owned little etherium, not too much bit coin, but it really. I myinterest in nf and the web. Three space really took off about three four monthsago, when I was just scrolling through social media, and I saw at FT- and Iwas like wait. What is this? You know yeah, so I looked into more into it. Ijoined a few communities and invested a couple grand and of tease I you know Ireally fell in love with a concept because I love art. I do customizingshoes in my free time, wow yeah, and it's just something thatreally attracted to me, and so this is industry. You know so newand I started learning all about it. I was like Yo I can. I can do this myself.I I have a passion for art. I have nothing else better to do with myfree time, so might as well. Nothing real lose, so I actually never knew how to uselike, I guess, a Dobe illustrator. As a software. I just looked up a quick onehour or youtube like how to use a O, caritat right and I started creatingsome art and the art I was going for. The vibe was very, you can think of it as a hung street skater vibe, and it when I saw my momactually the arts. The first thing she said was wow. This is so dark anddepressing. Like can you add some happy things to it? A job right. That's had job to remindthe kids, you get a little dark, yeah yeah, andbut the thing is: is that that's the vibe? I was going for right. Did youget the vibe that you were going for out of illustrator in that sort of time,because illustrators no joke, especially when it comes to editing,besiers and things like that? So were you able to kind of get the thing youwere going for yeah I I definitely was. I was a expert.Definitely could have done better, but I got the general sense of it beingsort of dark and a little. I guess depressing, but- and you know I mean Ican share with you one of the images later on, and I don't know how you wantto share that, but it that's sort of the images that I use to market to makemyself in the project. So I, when I went on like this Court ft servers likeopen seas and NF official, I said: Hey guys. I have this project I'm workingon. I need developer. I need a marketer Blah Blah Blah and I would show themthe illustrator art and I always had the sense of the name of the projectthat I wanted to have and it actually started with outcast right, because Iguess all my life. I've really felt like an outcast in this world. Justdifferent and I've been told that I, I guess, I'm different in a sense right,yeah, either good or bad. I felt different and I think that'ssort of what I really wanted to convey. My art was like Hey wit, were you know?All of us are different and all of us, my feel like outcast at some point inour lives. But art is such a powerful medium that allows people to connectwith each other, and you know, share things that words and actions can'treally describe, but through art you can really undestand how someone isfeeling. So I...

...really wanted to sort of get thatfeeling out to the world and that message that Ar is the greatestconnector in human in human life. So it that's how it kind of started, and whenI brought a nat on the team- and I also put someone else on the team- we reallyrefined this idea actually yeah and it was only natural that it would actuallygo down the path of mental health because not like. I don't want to shareher story for her sure you know had quite a rough childhood and other person on a team like I guessboth that and him like they. They tried to attempt suicide when they wereyounger, and I mean these are all public information at this point. So Ithink it's okay to Shah Yeah Yeah and we can get their reply to and I'm inthe same boat as them. Actually so, my listeners are very familiar with thesekinds of stories so yeah it cheers for them for making it through for one yeahyeah yeah, so they came from back. I come on backgrounds that really shapewho they are today yeah and, to be honest with you, I did not give asingle flip of how mental health maybe seven years ago, and it was only untilI entered university when I really struggled in life and I I started, Ideveloped like eating disorder, Develope blimy that really messed with me, because Iwould binge on like so much food anything anything you want right. I hadBolima to. I was probably fifteen. Sixteen maybe make sixteen seventeen orso, and I had it for about two years. It is wild, isn't it because you caneat whatever you want, because you know secretly you're just going to go, throwit up yeah, exactly like you just putwhatever in your body Yep, for you know like a night or to span of three hoursand then what you tell yourself is hey like I'll just be better tomorrow orlike next day like I'll make a right. You know yeah yeah, I didn't even care,I'm like that's fine, I'm alive and I do like a thousand sit ups. A day eatup just a bunch of junk food and throw it up and go to school, Oh and I wouldalways throw up before we would go out partying because I'm like Oh, I getdrunk faster on an empty stomach and I was sick in the head dude. Oh, mygoodness, yeah like like you. Instead of I didn't, do a thousand setups, butI ran like six miles a day this. It is better yeah right and I would actuallystarve myself for maybe two or three days afterwards, just drinking water-and I just felt like that- was my cleansing. But you know, as you know,believe me: It's a the cycle. You just keep repeating it, no matter how muchyou hit yourself for it yeah and to those who are listening that might haveit or experience this. I don't honestly know what I did to get out of it. Ididn't have any special therapy or any training or I didn't. I don't know whatcame about, but eventually it just you grow past it you just mixed. I don'tknow, I guess that did you do? Did you do anything in specifically to get pastthe Bolima? I think sharing it with other people yeah being about it reallyhelped. I think keeping a secret was something that you know: you're,somewhat ashamed of it and a lot yeah yeah when you actually are able toshare with your friends and family and people care about you, there's somefort of of accountability and reassurance. That's going to be okay,yeah yeah was there the family I lived with. That was one of those kids thatwas kicked out of the House early and the family. I lived with. They juststarted getting mad at me in a loving way, but they're like dude, stop eatingall the cinnamon toast if you're just going to go, throw it up again thatkind of thing they were on my ass, I'm like Oh yeah, okay, they're on me,whatever, so it's funny yeah and I'm like okay, okay, fine but yeah. So Ihope those suffering with eating disorders take this as authentically aspossible. We're not trying to like trigger anybody, but you know you'llgrow past it. It's okay, yeah yeah! It's definitely somethinghard to go through yeah, because you don't feel like that anymore. Do you,because I absolutely have no feeling to be thrown up my food at all. You knownow, so actually I was pretty recent that Iactually sort of got over it. Oh yeah, it was only less than a year ago, Ohgee, I yeah it is kind of fresh. How do you feel it's definitely a relief, Iwill say yeah, but I don't also want to give such like a happy positive vibeabout it. It stays with me until today, like yeah yeah and the body image thingto right it just the body image. Oh Yeah, body image. You know you stillget the urges sometimes to to eat a lot of food yeah for sure, and it's a habitthat stage with you, because my way of distressing at work, sometimes it'seating now you know so it definitely sticks with you without your life, butit gets better yeah for sure. Well, thanks for sharing that part, I didn'tmean to aggress so far, but that kind of really yeah highlights like why theurgency to help and like more understand the mental health aspects ofall of that, oh yeah, it's something so stigmatized and people need to knowabout it yeah. Why did you think you felt like an outcast earlier in life? Ithink most of us that feel like outcast have felt like that since grade school,since as long as we can remember- and...

...many of us that I talk to aren't reallythat weird looking or acting or anything outwardly, so it seems like we wouldfit in and I think that's part of the despairs. The lot of US seem like wewould fit in just fine, but we don't feel that internally, how long have youfelt like you've been outcast? Probably since elementary school yeah?I think I think I just really felt socially. Idid not feel I like I fit in, and I would even I remember one like I can talk about this now likewithout feeling embarrass or a shame, because it's over yeah. I stillremember one Esquino friend was like yeah dude, like you're weird I just like yeah you're like awkward totalk to, and that really stuck with me for so many years, because I sort of felt like okay. If that's howit is like he said, I'm Okward to talk to. He said I'm a weird guy like that'sthat must be true of it must be o. He knows me after all, yeah and it just solike when you hear comments like those and there's other things or yes, youknow people also joke around in elementary school, like they call younick names or whatever, and now you look back, it's so stupid to even thinkabout and sort of cry about, but it does affect you at some point and yeahyeah. It's part of your coding, like I think I mean I don't mean to comparethe human brain to a computer. That much I mean it's a kind of a clichecomparison, but really it's the best way to describe what happened to us,this kids, all those little weird things. People said they start to formpatterns in our brain and that becomes our programming. So of someone close toyou like a friend, a parent, a sibling says something kind of cutting andmaybe sort of feels right. You just wear that, like a Cape, the rest of your life, sometimesit's really odd, Oh yeah, definitely your environment and what people thePeople Yust run yourself with and how they evie you like. That's how you beyourself yeah, it's tough to like de Program, one self when you're thecomputer too. You know when you are driving the machine, it's hard to likerewire it. It's really tough. So I'm glad because you seem pretty young, soI'm glad you've come to these realizations so early in life. So yougot your whole life to kind of like not Polish, it up. Yeah Yeah! I think youknow I I will be honest. I had a horrible time in college. I not not not just to give a bulimia,but also I was in her extremely toxic relationship, and I limited my sociallife. Because of that, and I look back and we people ask me like hey: Do youregret? You know your college choices? You regret going to Berkeley and doingall those things, and I'm like not really, because I learned so manythings about myself. It's literally be taken as a learning experience, yeah,yeah and any like you won't live with regret. You know, because you takethings as it is, and you do the best with it yeah very much and a lot oftimes. You would I mean, obviously, in my mind, you wouldn't be where you arenow in your in your progression without having those hardships and overcomethem. Yes, especially traumatic relationships like that with narcissist,or I mean that's kind of a generic term, but if you're in a relationship withsomebody that is truly, has n P D, no, that's trouble it's hard to get out ofthose. Oh a hundred thousand percent yeah and honestly, I'm not going to. Idon't know your situation specifically, but a lot of times things like Balimdrug addiction and things like that. They actually come there. It's thepressure of being in a relationship with the narcissist, and then they tendto use that as ammunition to says I told you, you were the person, I saidyou were and it becomes just a total mind: Fuck, it's really bad, socongrats on getting out of that. How did you like Berkeley? Well, as I said, I didn't have the bestexperience there and I don't blame birthday for that. I don't blame theculture. I think I'm more suited for a smallercampus, a small as Pomali community yeah, but I, as I said, no regrets. Ilearned so much both educationally and personally about myself for sure it wasa good experience. I would say and great credibility to the people thatare like you know our parents they're, like Oh yeah, my son went to Berkeleyso yeah. I grew up in the bay area, so I know the status of Berkeley andStanford and places like that. So no way, where did you? Where are you fromwhere you go up? I grew up in the Bay East Bay, like diable valley area,Walnut Creek Pleasant Hill, conquered mostly, as you are right next toBerkeley, Oh yeah, yeah, and then I lived in Berkeley as I grew up. I movedout of the suburbs into the city. I lived in Berkeley and Oakland, and SanFrancisco, and eventually down to downtown Los Angeles like exploringplaces, tell us about how outcast verse works in, like your kind of Road Matfor the future. A lot of my listeners probably don't, do discord, but just toupdate the listener. It's just an AP just go to this Cordam or download pushthe buttons and follow directions and look for a place called outcast first,and I will include a link directly to that invite on the show, not here buttanyway. So all the technical part aside.

What goes on in outcast verse. So if Iwere to some up OL cast verse in a sentence, it would be an artist's talent,incubator, with a focus on mental health, and let me elaborate on that littlemore than sure so back to the fallacy. We were talkingabout earlier. Artists in this space are still undervalued under appreciatedand, if you're, an emerging artists, how are you supposed to get your nameout there in the NT world? Yeah right? There are, I don't even know on whatscale, but the magnitude is crazy for the amount of art out there right now,and it is you know so. People don't even know about n still, so that'sanother whole sector of artist that he really want hope. But essentially whatour cast first does is we're trying to built a platform for artists becomerecognized, and we do this by one purchasing. Some of the smaller artistsarts work on secondary market places like open seas and we shot them out topromote their arts. We ask them for their story, because we really want tohave a focus on artists who have gone through mental health disorders orcurrently going through them, and because this project has happened tohealth and half self expression in art. You know we ask them for their storyand we promote that story, and we, you know,share it with the community and we pick usually an art piece that really talksabout their story and resembles or story. Sowe give away their art to community members in like a form of a giveawayand that sort of one of the ways were helping smaller artists. We plan on partnering with Individuals Within The music space as well. The Arts Pacewho have experience and who have gone through the troubles and the strugglesof being a starting artist or starting a musician, and they have theconnections. Now they sort of quotquot made it. So we really want to partnerwith them, so they can help out the artist same musicians and other kindsof selfish person, people in our community. So those are, I guess, a fewways that we really want to go about. Alcasto, and you know there is likesuch a deep and powerful connection between self expression and mentalhealth. Those struggling with mental health often use self expression as anoutlet right, a way to distress, heal or find sense of all being and meaningin life. So and there's a that balance right. It's the balance between thedark times and then desire to find beauty through self expression. So we really want to emulate that withinalcestes the art we, as I said, the artist, wechoose mental health, that that is something they really really value andthey love to talk about, and we also want to bring in mental health expertsin our community. Not She is super big on meditation. Ithink she just reached her one year, Meditation Mark Wow Nice every daymeditating. So we want a partner with people like that who you know are inthe meditation and is the space and they can come and give a talk on. Pat,you know host a couple of vedian sessions or bring other people who youknow maybe have gone through things like bulimia or Adhd, or shelling withbipolar disorder, and you know, come and give a talk and reassert acommittee about those type of things bringing experts to give therapysessions. We have so many ideas right now, and you know we, I will say Pars anew project, and so many things are in flux and there are so many unknownfactors, but yeah yeah. One thing that does stay constant is just the passionin our team, because every single person I hired on this team has apassion for mental health, has a passion to help other people and everyactually every person on the team actually has gone through something intheir lives. That motivates them to do what they do todayin now, Caspo- and you know, if you ever- do get a chance to check out theserver. If you good at the meet to might meet the team section, you canread about their stories because it is really truly inspiring. They're amazingyeah I've read through those and they're super impactful and that'sspeaking as somebody who has lived my own stories similar to theirs. But thefact the details of the stories are very telling and very respectfully shared, and it also Idon't know, I think it will draw out others to do the same so and they'rereally brave for doing that and honestly anybody, that's claiming to bean artist in the N ft space. I cheer them for the audacity. You really haveto have that audacity to like stake, claim and say yeah, I'm a fuckingartist. I am an artist, but I've been a designer most of my life, which meansthat I just sit with somebody and listen to them, and then I design whatthey want and there's an agreement that I'm just going to get paid. My Laborwell, it finally dawned on me that wait, I'm an artist. I can design things thatI like and I get other people to buy...

...them whatever I design. So I think thatthat audacity to jump that fence and say yeah, I'm an artist. I just designship and nobody asks for and I'm going to go sell it. Oh yeah, that's so important toacknowledge that the other thing I'm starting to think the older I get isthat many people with quote unquote mental disorders are simply misalignedwith their calling in life a lot. I think if we start like a lot of times,doctors will focus on your sleep. How is your sleep? Are you getting goodsleep cool and then they ask how's your diet drinking enough water getting toexercise man? I think the fourth question on that list doctor should ask,or are you a creative person? Are you stuck in a cubicle yeah? We need to getyou out of that cubicle and back to being an artist, and I think so manypeople would like drop their disorders within weeks. If that happened, Oh yeah,I want to really talk about that too. Can I tell you one more thing aboutplease yeah, so I think the artist as you know they are so underpaid andundervalued. It's ridiculous. You know, like I asked my artist like hey. If youwere to charge someone for your services that you're giving me rightnow, how much would you charge and her response was like? Oh maybe, a hundredor two hundred a week, and I'm like excuse me: Yeah, you serious for thelevel of art, the quality of art and The Passion you put into your drawingsyou're only charging a hundred to two hundred- and she tells me yeah, likeits industry standard, know like artists are overworked and they havehigh potations, but they just don't get paid that much, and that is somethingthat we need to change and I think the NT space can really change that and ithas changed that mentality of you know, artist being undervalued, Yo and that'ssomething we really want to focus on in is our catfish community as well as wewant to be able to recognize artists for who they are right, like for theirtalents and skills, and that's why we all want an a partner with people thatcan help them achieve that goal. We want a partner with you know, leadingindustry organizations that promote or like take on artists and todo work. So it's something that we believe in so much is. We need to helpartists promote themselves and get their name out there and be valued forwhat they do. Yeah, like form a gang, a gang of people that just support eachother in spaces out beyond the discord server. Oh yeah, I think that's really. Hebecause it seems like a like. I said it's an incubator for new artists. Ilove the fact that people are sharing their stories along with their art, andthat's also really cool that you are a kind of dog fooding sense that you'redoing what you're preaching by buying upcoming artist, art from them and thendoing give aways and promotional things, which is the most touching thing. Whenyou do it, it's the most rewarding rewarding thing in life. When you tellan artist you're going to purchase a couple of their pieces of our like onopen seas- and they tell you like this is the bestthing that happened to me in my life, like someone is recognizing my artright, and I think that will snap people into their new existence reallyquick yeah. You know it's the feeling ofbeing recognized and being valued, and it it's amazing. It's really yeahs.I could change lives that I mean the fact. If someone's selling somethingfor point, zero, zero, something eth you can make their day by spending twohundred dollars well and two hundred dollars in gas this week. But you knowwhat I'm saying you could literally make somebody's say that person mayhave might have made two hundred dollars all of last year, sleppingaround to arts and crafts fairs, trying to sell something and all of a suddenthey're making two hundred dollar three hundred or whatever you know. Just evena few hundred dollars is more than some artist make in an entire year and to dothat, one time that gives so inspiring to them and brings so much motivationto somebody that, oh I'm noticed I actually am worthy and God demand I'man artist. Now I could sell things that I made out of my own mind. That's soincredible that your focus on that and, more importantly, I think it's reallycool that you come from a programming background, because I noticed yourspecific server. The outcast first server is very organized and laid outand spelled out, and it seems to be very fair, very transparent, there'sways to kind of democratically move up. The system like a almost a game,ification thing going on there and he see those are all the things that aperson coming from that was a sculpture, they're, not going to know how to doall that. So you are contribution to the art community by bringing the techadvantage. I think is huge, so I just wanted to shout out to you andeverybody: That's a developer, that's coming on and interacting with artiststhat don't have those skills because it would not have been. You know, John. Ican't take any of the credit like my team has been working so hard and weall been working hard, I'm just so it like. So I ralyea yeah, you guys, aredoing a great job and to outreach and...

...all that stuff, because it's reallyweird you don't really know you know on the social media. It'smostly in this space, it's text and images. So once you hear a voice or seea video or something like that, it takes it to the next level and thekinds of interactions you're having in the mental health space like boldlygoing and having those conversations that other people will simply shy awayfrom that's courageous man. That's really moving the mark, yeah! It's! As I said, it's somethingthat we're very passionate about. We really want to make mental health less stigmatized,and you know the it's just is one of those things right now in theworld where people just don't talk about it, because they're ashamed andyeah. When you go through something like you know, Belime, then you realizethere is nothing to be ashamed about, but in the moment you are so ashamed.So it is a matter of knowing and letting people tell you that and reachout to you yeah a lot of times when you catch a mental illness or disorder orwhat not you tend to think it's just you, it's you and then, if we talkabout it more, you start to realize. Oh, it's a disease. I caught something likenot to simplify it, but like catching the cold, but I mean you whateverhappened in your mind. You caught that and now you can unwind it once peoplestart talking about it more and you're right. The stigmatization is horrific.Most people won't even say the word, a mental. In fact, I've seen on socialmedium many times where people confuse mental illness with mental health byposting things like saying. Oh, my cousin, that poor guy, he is mentalhealth. Like wait, that's the good party thathe wants mental health, but you see that I mean the the fine tuning thereis that people just use the word mental and once you bring that word up at allyou've stained the conversation and people like step back and move mental,which also makes it really hard to share things that are like podcast oranything like that. This particular podcast used to sorry used to be calledby polar style, which I thought was a cool name, because I was all aboutdiminishing stigma of bipolar disorder, but you know how many people share apodcast called by polar style or shout you out on the fucking social media,not too many, because you know for obvious reasons so yeah. Eventually, Ihad to figure out a different name: o Yeah, that's that's it man, you alwaysgot to get out there and keep and the the irony is that if you're the one outthere going, I'm not crazy crazy people aren't crazy. Then you peer to be crazy,but it's a subtle art of getting people to understand mental health. Oh Yeah, Oh yeah, andgoing back to what you were saying earlier when I was like coming divergebut yeah like when someone is not happywith the job right or when you're like in a cubicle eight hours a day at yourdesk and you're, not that of a person like you're, a person that needs to usetheir creativity, let the fled a flow, get their motions out like Yep. How areyou sometimes we don't even know that that's the right way to go like how areyou supposed to know that Kephale job is not for you right and part of Aucasvers to is we really want to give people the opportunity to you know: Daba little bit in art to Dab into their creative senses, you'll notice that alot of people in our server actually are not artists themselves, but we aretrying to encourage people to take on a little bit of projects here and thereor you know, draw some stickers or moges and sit them some of them to thecontest like just just get just get their juices flowing. Yeah yeah, tryyeah you. Nobody knows you're an artist until you at least try and then again.You know many artists create art for years and don't consider themselvesartists because they haven't made that that mental switch. They haven't becomeso audacious to say, Yep, I'm an artist, so that's great that you're encouragingpeople to just pick up pick up a stylist or try illustrator one of theother programs for drawing, because that's a that's how we did it that wejust you, got to start somewhere and you might as well. If you think, if,basically, I'm like a detective, if you've already determined that your jobsucks for you and you hate it will cross it off the list. Don't do thatanymore. Try something else, and if you're standing at the door of acreative art project step on in try something out, it's not going to hurtyou and it might change your whole life and there's plenty of life in front ofall of us. Yeah and think about like art and self expression is. It is ahealing mechanism, yea a hundred percent yeah and some people don'trecognize that and it's not until they start doing art. Do they realize likewow, like I'm happier today like wow, I feel clear similar. You know it's justcleansing yeah, it's so great and a lot of people. We were talking about brainprogramming and things like that. As children, a lot of people were told. Idon't or told no good or whatever, but they come up with this idea that I'mnot creative or I'm bad at math or I...

...suck at this or that you know you don'tactually just go, try it. You were just told that and then you you know youadopted that as your way. But that is not the way you can be as created,especially creativity. You might not be good at math, it might take you aminute to become a developer or a doctor or scientist, but art come onpeople. You just just try just draw a line like one of my favorite kind of impression. Our abstract artistwas Rothko, the German guy who just painted color just blocks of colorbecause as a child I would go to the modern museums, and I look at that andjust think that's stupid. Anybody could do that so now, as an adult I'm trying toemulate that I'm like man, this is fucking hard like to get it to lookright, so yeah, I'm always trying to soimpressions of Rothko. On My easel over here. Oh my goodness, yeah my dad wouldalways joke about that. We go to me art museums. He said you know. I could justsplatter some pain on that on that canvas and boom. I'm the next artiststraight up straight up, and I kind of feel that way in ironic way about nfand like anybody could have drawn a crypto punk, look at it. It's just abunch of pixels, and so the same thing is like well, they were audaciousenough to fucking, claim that that's art and they found the right community.So I'm like! Oh that's, that's it. It's kind of like being an artist and a lotof artists. Don't like to hear this, but it's like being in a band. If youdon't self promote and become that person, many people feel is kind oficky nobody's going to hear of you. So the next best step is really joining acollective like outcast, first, where there other people that don't reallyfeel a hundred percent on self promotion feels kind of nasty to them,but they all love collaborating. So I think it's great because then, once youmeet people in a in a server like that, you go out on twitter and then you helppromote them, retweet them like them heart and their comments, and all thatkind of stuff, and I think it really helps it builds foundation and kind ofa support mechanism for them. Yeah Yeah and you keep mentioning community- andI agree with you so much like. As you know, cryptopsy did not sell out. Theyliterally gave away free Entes, and it's only through the communitiesstaying strong and believing in the concept and like yeah like we can dothis. Do it rise the value that is today? You know millions and millionsof dollars. So right it is so it's all about the community and I thinksomething that we really prie ourselves an outcast versus. We, I think, we'redifferent. In a sense, we really treat each community member as an individualright like you're, not just a number in our discord server right. We want totake the time to get to know you and we want to know what you're going throughso in the community were developing here. It's something that the emptyspace does not have. Currently, there are other mental heat projectsout there, but I've joined their servers and they don't have they justdon't have to focus on individuals like they bring in speakers, and there Imean they bring great speakers, don't get me wrong sure and they providegreat services. But I think it's still missing that personal element thatcommunities need and we really try to push for that in acastors, because that's what makes it breaks a project and it's the people,it's a community right, yeah and naming that too. I think acknowledging thateverybody feels like an outcast at some point is important because a lot ofmental health organizations, despite all their best efforts, still feel likea top down effort. It feels like they're just telling you how to feeland here's this great expert that knows everything it's never about how aboutyou? How do you feel tell us your story? Some of the best mental health selfhelp groups have been to like there's one called the D B, s a depression bypolar support alliance and they have self helped groups all across Americaand you can go there and you sit in a circle and people share across thecircle. There's no tables, there's no speakers, it's just people that feellike they need to be in a meeting about mental health. At that moment, so yeahit is about the people and ask when you see any artist accepting awards on TV,they don't think themselves or their band. They think the fans, it's thesupport of your your community for lack of a better word. I used to be acommunity organizer. So that's just the buzz word I have stuck in my head, but yeah, it's the community or your fanbase, or your voters or whatever you doing, that those are the people thatyou really get a work on to. Actually keep as a community, becausecommunication is a constant thing. You can't just put up a blurb or a fly ormake a statement and then disappear for four or five days yeah. I think artistsknow that the best right artists know the struggle of building the their nameand their brand, and it's only when people start noticing them and going ona journey with them from you know, releasing their first ep to you knowhaving albums and albums out there, and it's only through a struggle to peoplelike really realize how much community means and how much a strong supportergroup and like how much you provide them to it right. Here's like asymbiotic relationship right yeah.

Definitely it community is everythingin the eity space. I think some projects don't understand that, and it's reallysad to see, because you know as good as your art can be. If you don't establishthe right community, then it will not. Your project will not do well yeah. Iagreed, I think some great art is being wasted currently on bad communities. We yeah and because I see some greatart and I see the community and there's not really a community there yeah and it's interesting becausethat's something that's totally new in this world in this in this era right,it's like a online community. Like that's unheard of I mean we sure we'vehad similar things back, then you know and social media platforms and whatever,but nothing. I would say at this scale right no intensity either right. It'sreally intense, too yeah. Nothing at this like yeah, no, nothing, thiscommunity driven and that we've seen so far and it's such a focal point inAnice and everything is run by the community created by the community andas since it is so it you know, it is so decentralized. It'sa paste point where, if you don't have community, then this space is nothingyou're right, yeah it vaporizes quickly. It needs a structure more than leaders.I guess is a good way to put it and that's why I appreciate outcast firstbecause you've, given it quite a bit of structure. I appreciate it. Sometimes I think,there's too many channels and I can get kind of confusing yeah yeah, but I meanthere's not a two too many there's just as many as you as you think. There needto be- and I think that's fair, so cheers to that for sure appreciate itappreciate it. How should somebody that is justlistening to a podcast like this? That's into you know mental healthpodcast. I guess, but also has a creative bug that they want to challenge and wants to get involvedthrough the outcast versus o. They just jump in the server, listen and read fora couple days and then talk and share their stories. Or how do you suggestthe new person come along, so we're very open to accepting anyone into theartists into this, like the list of artist that we want to support? And youknow if you're like, if you're an artist of any kind you know could besomeone who draws or paints or even the musician or dancer singer like we wantto help promote your work. We want to help support you, so you can just joinour server contact, a moderator or contact me,Conrad or not, say like Hey, I'm an inspiring so and so artists like whatit be possible to do like some collaboration with you guys or get somesupport right, and we would be delighted like literally so happy likeevery time someone reaches out to us to asking to for support like we do nothesitate, because we love to help people, and I hear that a that in yourvoice. I hear the happiness in your voice. That's Fantacy, yeah and youknow if- and everyone goes through shit in their life and even if you don'thave a mental disorder or have gone through. My ettor, like you, have gonethrough shit in your life and we would love to share that story, no matterwhat it is. So we want to get to know you as a person. Definitely you knowchat into this cord server and the channels get to know the community, because you know ft space, it's reallyas Cliche as it sounds. It's you get you get what you put in, and you knowyou could definitely promote your your work and if that's your goal perfectlike we are so happy to do that. But if you really really want to integrateyourself in a community, that's so supportive, like we definitelyrecommend just getting him now the people yeah- and it's almost like I for sure it's like the art- becomes aby product of the community. Instead of the whole driving force, oh yeah, yeah,and when you get to know the people like they get to know your story, and Ithink that's important for a lot of people might not understand theimportance of the long term value of your art projects, and I think, whenyou build community, it helps that a lot because then you know if thatartist is going to be around in five years or ten years. Will this personstill be creating art even one year from now, or did they just generate tenthousand images on five because they're trying to make a bunch of money? So Ithink, building community kind of naturally filters out the former fromthe latter yeah yeah. That's the that's theintention right, but it's never perfect, but that S it. That is definitely theintention. Yeah there's everyone has their own story and again like inoutcast. First, we just want to give people a chance to share that story.That is off like share. That story, use art to share it as well and if you're,an artist like this is a place for you to yeah. That's awesome man. I, likeI'm, really, I feel very fortunate to have come across you all again shoutout to that for doing the great work on social media. Are you guys gals? Areyou folks on twitter or facebook? God...

Forbid? What like, where are you insocial media? Besides the discord, do you have like a way out, obviouslyyou're on discord, but what else yeah yeah? So we actually have so many coolthings in mind in terms of how we want to go about caspers, we literally haveevery single social man platform. We have got too many, maybe but discord.Twitter, facebook Youtube spotify twitch, like literally everything,awesome, and that's because we have a lot of plans for the future yeah, forexample. spotify we are. Are we want to reach out to artists that want to gettheir songs out there and they work out there so we're adding their songs to alike curated playlist, like the Aucas first playlist. It's awesome how thatwe'll have that running twenty or seven in our server and like maybe for fortwitch we're planning on setting up life streams for people to show offtheir talents right, like maybe maybe you're a DJ or yes, sir, that I didstraight up, save those put those up as nf t's too yeah exactly, and you canform like life stages and maybe you're a painter like do some Bob Ross type ofstuff and do that in Faro, Lice Stream. You know and or like even for youtubevideos like, I think one of the coolest things is to watch and artists. Dotheir arts just do their work, yeah yeah, when they can record maybe theirtheir work process and put a time laps on it. Like ten times feet, it there'ssome music in the background like just upload that as Youtube video and I'msure Peopil love watching that rightly, and that becomes again another piece ofNF ability, art that will just sit in the time capsule for ever more yeah yeah. I love all this. This is sofun dude. It is like I'm honestly so privilege toeven be talking about this and working on projects like these. Like I'm, it'ssuch it's so rewarding and like every day you know I I wake up expecting theunexpected, because nts is the mental health space and like what all cases isdoing. It really really makes me happy and excites me every day. Yeah isn'tthat weird. So I came on maybe a couple months after you, so it sounds so thispodcast is going up October, LADOC end of October, two thousand and twenty one,if you listening to it any other time and Conrad, and I have only been in thespace since roughly summer of two thousand and twenty one and now we're at this point where we'recrossing PAS and planning the future. So I think that's all I don't knowalmost mind blowing. You know what I mean yeah, it's my bling. That's onlybeen like three months or four months yeah, so I just just keep at it. Peopleif you want to be an artist, look for the outcast verse on your favoritesocial media or jump right into the discord server, if you're so inclinedand don't be afraid of discord if you've never used it before. If youthink any of this sounds somewhat appealing, you're going to need to knowhow to use this cord, so you know dive in everyone's friendly. Once you getpast the the set up and search for outcast, first pretty easy to find,like I said I'll put the link up here in the show notes. Now I think this is going to be a blastlike I said, I've been an artist for a long time and I'm just going to keepmaking our and now just my whole idea. I wanted to make remember the yellowhappy face that just says: Have a nice day like on grocery bags and stuff yeahyeah. That was that's my idea. I like I needwe need a symbol like that that will last for eternity for balance mentalhealth. That's why I'm like? Oh yeah, I'll, just use the podcast logo. I madeyou know five years ago, so I actually noticed your I'm not sure if this is alogo that you use everywhere or just may be discord and some other socialmedia platforms. But you have a union game a yeah everywhere I got a projectbuilt on that on open seas, called Emo Dojo and that's based on the name ofthis podcast. So I started thinking yeah because I'm a really minimalistartist to begin with and like the Christians, have the cross and Jewishhave the start of David and I'm like what are the mentally ill people have,and you know I've always had a fascination with Japanese culture andAsian Culture in general. So I love the Ginan, have tattoos of it all over mybody. So when I made the podcast about five years ago, I needed something for bipolar. So I'mlike oh the UNEYE, the balance, but I'm like it needs to be happy and it needsto be a face. So I just turned it on side. Took me about twenty minutes toget the smile, the mouth, the right, shape and measurement and like yeah,that's it and in the way I had always displayed it before was the darknesswas always hovering on top so and the logo the dark, is always on the top.The smile is always coming through, so I protected that for five years, butnow within F ts and like okay, I'm going to have to break it apart andmake all kinds of different art pieces off this one thing. But now the coreidea was just to have a icon that people can wear because word I wear iton my t, shirt and public people say: Hey, that's a cool shirt. What's itmean? And then I start talking about Oh yeah, I got bipolar disorder andthey're like you. Do I'm like yeah? What d you think I was a weird O orsomething you know, so it just kind of sparks that kind of spontaneous orationare, is like the gay way to communication and stories is beautiful,yeah. No, it man T it's so funny that...

...when I first saw your logo actually,the Union Yang, I was like there's no way because our art embodies beginningin life. Yeah Yeah. Your whole story like when I started reading the aboutpage on the outcast server outcast. First, I'm like Oh yeah this this ismeant to be. We should be talking yeah like our first collection of art. It'sall about the ends right, yeah, darkness, in Your Life, the bad timesright and then the yangs like are your beautiful traits and you sort of mixthat together and that becomes who you are. That makes up you as a person. Youknow that's right, yeah and you got to realize that they both balance eachother out. You can't live without the back. Bad will exist and you just haveto learn to tolerate it and put enough good to balance it out. Do it exactlyit's like you're reading, it's like we yeah exactly, but that's so that Ithink speaks to the power of universal symbols to the en in the Yang generallyspeak and I've seen it since town and country surf boards. When I used to bein Hawaii a lot and when I was a kid- and I like I love that load, I'm justfascinated by it, and so I researched into symbology as a kid and then Ibecame like a sign maker, designing big signs for casinos and things like that,but it's all based on symbology and my God. How do we get the most meaninginto the simplest form ever so yeah? I was just fucking. Isn't it crazy? Howjust like that one logo that one design can convey so much meaning yeah yeah? Ilove it and- and you know someone who may not reallyunderstand it might say: okay, just like the inning, but if you know whatit means and if you know the meaning behind it, you're like okay, like thisproject, I can vie with it it's something that I understand yeah yeah.Now I look forward to the future. Let's en plus part is one of those thingslike think. Both of us just keep doing it. Why stop there's no reason to stopa hundred per cent agree killean. Well, I do want to like say, like I love whatyou're doing to like you're, literally giving people theopportunity to share their stories and you're doing it in such a way. Thatalso raises awareness for mental health disorders right. So I love what you'redoing you know. I mean I'm sure there's beentimes where it might get discouraging, but I want to say like there is. Isupport you. I know that supports to this you're. Listen to support you, I'msure, there's so many people out there who would love your work so just keepat it. Dude like it's really encouraging for other people to knowthat you're doing this dude. I appreciate that because Yeah Ido have mental disorders and a lot of times. I feel like this is all thefront I jumped into my John suit today to be on this podcast, but when I takeit off, I'm like everybody hates me, that's I'm kind of fixed that a lotlately but yeah. I do appreciate that I used to not be able to take complimentsat all, so I am absorbing that and most gracious for your kind words yeah likeI think everyone needs just to get an hurmen here, because it is definitely a hard field to be in right, like, as yousaid, yeah I'll, Sigma Tie, people don't take you seriously sometimes orthey see you differently, because you're talking about mental health andright, you like we got to stick together. You know like yeah, yourcommunity is your strong as your trunk as asset and it just. We really needthe support. Every one can get yeah and the the the irony is so great that allof the outcasts are not outcast when we're together. Oh a hundred percent-oh my God that is so true! Yeah, that's yeah! It's awesome! Well bless youConrad thanks! So much for connecting and shout out to NAT NAT if you'relistening to this, I would love to have you on the show, I'd like to hear yourstory and what it's like to be. You know part of the Management Team ofsuccessful this cord server. All right, then thanks people for listening andI'll talk to you next week and now back to the wall.

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